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Lowest Overall Tax Burden: 190th Highest Disposable Incomes: 363rd Rudest Citizens: 366th Highest Wealthy Incomes: 514th Largest Soda Pop Sector: 516th Highest Unexpected Death Rate: 523rd Fattest Citizens: 524th Most Avoided: 570th Largest Retail Industry: 581st Most Rebellious Youth: 693rd Most Valuable International Artwork: 721st Most Armed: 855th Highest Economic Output: 1,118th Largest Automobile Manufacturing Sector: 1,135th Highest Crime Rates: 1,202nd Largest Publishing Industry: 1,276th Largest Gambling Industry: 1,302nd Highest Average Incomes: 1,316th Largest Mining Sector: 1,391st Most Scientifically Advanced: 1,409th Greatest Rich-Poor Divides: 1,430th Largest Information Technology Sector: 1,499th Most Cultured: 1,595th Largest Black Market: 1,689th Largest Manufacturing Sector: 1,729th Smartest Citizens: 1,773rd Most Corrupt Governments: 2,060th Largest Pizza Delivery Sector: 2,244th Largest Timber Woodchipping Industry: 2,482nd Largest Arms Manufacturing Sector: 2,517th Largest Furniture Restoration Industry: 2,586th
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Founded in May 2003, this is a friendly and secure region for nations with exceptionally strong economies, good civil rights and political freedoms.
We are the largest capitalist orientated region in the game and also this is one of the oldest player created regions in NationStates.
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Capitalist Paradise contains 249 nations, the 84th most in the world.

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Nations ranked highly have large gaps between the incomes of rich and poor citizens. Nations low on the list have high levels of income equality.

As a region, Capitalist Paradise is ranked 1,430th in the world for Greatest Rich-Poor Divides.

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4.The Voluntary Meritocracy of AnchillasAnarchy“Freedom For The People”
5.The Irrelevant Internet Browser of Internet ExplorerCapitalist Paradise“Just try getting rid of us! ”
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8.The Free Land of FakeandlandAnarchy“For Freedom, For Liberty, For Kava”
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The Nationalist Worker's Commune of Dennock

Corporate Fat Cats wrote:I was on board until I read this part, and then I started thinking to myself:

Here's the classic catch in the communist gambit of riling up people's emotions to "convince" them.

A true marxist, you are; you should be proud!

1. Propose limiting the corrupt government that opresses us
2. Switch to the call-at-arms of
installing a large government replacing
the elites with a new type of elites.

History repeats itself.

Actually that statement calls for as much decentralization as possible, putting power in the hands of the states, not some elitist central government.

And also Iím a non-Marxist socialist. Marxism is a load of utopian bull that can inspire, but will never be implemented.

The Incorporated States of Gulf Oil

Midlands wrote:No, it's an absurd lie that the federal government is supposed to have limited power. The very existence of the Constitution disproves that lie. I.e. if the government was indeed supposed to have limited power, there would be no Constitution. We already had Articles of Confederation. Under which states had most power and the central government had limited power. But very soon it became clear that it was not a viable arrangement, and that's why the Constitution was adopted. If you wanted to describe in one sentence what the Constitution accomplished it would be something like "a massive transfer of power from states to the newly created strong federal government" - not "limited the federal government". You have to look not at some abstracts turns of phrase in the document, but at how it changed the status quo. You know, a new law setting a 50% tax rate can be a draconian tax increase (from 10%) - or it can be a dramatic tax cut (from 90%). It all depends on what it was before. Very often when Libertarians talk about the Constitution they basically pretend that we still have Articles of Confederation. But in reality the original text of the Constitution had virtually no limits on the federal government power (except for a ban on ex post facto laws, bills of attainder etc.). Some states were actually concerned that there were no limits on the government infringing on freedoms and insisted on adding a Bill of Rights. Still, not many limits were added. And then in 1819 the SCOTUS confirmed (in McCulloch v. Maryland) that contrary to what libertarians claim even now, Article I, Section 8 does not actually limit the federal government to those powers explicitly listed therein.

It is ironic that you use taxation as your example of unlimited federal power when our original limited Constitution required the 16th Amendment to be passed before Congress was ever granted unlimited taxation authority.

The Free Market Zone of Kalatchevia

Federation of American States wrote:I agree the Word Conservative should not be used to Describe Republicans, nor should Liberal Be used for Democrats for that matter.
although I don't know what words you would use to describe the Group Known as Conservatives ? id go with "Reactionary Populists".

conservative is actually the correct name for these people, all you need to add is emphasis on the con, because they are equivocators.

The Merchant Republic of Corporate Fat Cats

Dennock wrote:Actually that statement calls for as much decentralization as possible, putting power in the hands of the states, not some elitist central government.

And also Iím a non-Marxist socialist. Marxism is a load of utopian bull that can inspire, but will never be implemented.

Yeah- I was totally off for assuming marxism for the standard socialist; it's totally not like it prevailed for 99% of socialism's actual use in society or anything (like a century or so) totally!

The Merchant Republic of Corporate Fat Cats

Dennock wrote:Actually that statement calls for as much decentralization as possible, putting power in the hands of the states, not some elitist central government.

Maybe this is nihilist, but yeah- show me an example where "as much decenteralization as possible" applied to socialism in the real world. For all the words socialists like to use, history has no evidence of a "working" model for.

Decenteralism only works for an efficient model (capitalism, doi) otherwise, "putting power in the hands of the states" still means expensive af for everybody.

The Merchant Republic of Corporate Fat Cats

Gulf Oil wrote:It is ironic that you use taxation as your example of unlimited federal power when our original limited Constitution required the 16th Amendment to be passed before Congress was ever granted unlimited taxation authority.

Indeed. For certain individuals, irony knows no bounds. Especially when their words go no farther than their character's main tenets (non-existent).

The Merchant Republic of Corporate Fat Cats

Federation of American States wrote:I agree the Word Conservative should not be used to Describe Republicans, nor should Liberal Be used for Democrats for that matter.
although I don't know what words you would use to describe the Group Known as Conservatives ? id go with "Reactionary Populists".

I dunno. Liberal and Conservative face their entire history of trying to make the name of the other's adversary an insult. Even adding "tard" to lib. Or, the classic "extremist" which is the wild card.

That's not new. What is new is people actually believing the bs that either side slaps to the actual meaning.

The Protectorate of Informed Consent

Gulf Oil wrote:It is ironic that you use taxation as your example of unlimited federal power when our original limited Constitution required the 16th Amendment to be passed before Congress was ever granted unlimited taxation authority.

Yep.
Before WWI, the federal government fed its general funds primarily with import tariffs.
Federal excises had to have a specific stated purpose, and be collected from every state at a flat rate.
Fair, transparent, and wholly antithetical to progressive ideology.

Domestic entitlement coupled with a trade dynamic that favored the US less and less as the Cold War unfolded, and the culture flipping over time from production to consumption, made for entrenched national, and global engines for wealth redistribution that cannot be rolled back.
Two thirds of the US budget is classified by law as mandatory, and it primarily centers around social security followed by medicare, then the rest of the federal social programs.
The next time you hear someone prattle about US defense spending, kindly remind them that it is allocated out of a discretionary fund that represents only one third of the total federal budget.

Kalatchevia wrote:conservative is actually the correct name for these people, all you need to add is emphasis on the con, because they are equivocators.

Funny. I see more of that in leftwing identity politics.
Anyway, I think Gallagher said it best.
"If pro means for, and con means against, does that mean that Congress is the opposite of Progress?"

The Nationalist Worker's Commune of Dennock

Corporate Fat Cats wrote:Yeah- I was totally off for assuming marxism for the standard socialist; it's totally not like it prevailed for 99% of socialism's actual use in society or anything (like a century or so) totally!

Corporate Fat Cats wrote:Maybe this is nihilist, but yeah- show me an example where "as much decenteralization as possible" applied to socialism in the real world. For all the words socialists like to use, history has no evidence of a "working" model for.

Decenteralism only works for an efficient model (capitalism, doi) otherwise, "putting power in the hands of the states" still means expensive af for everybody.

Unlike those such as Anchillas, Informed Consent, and others you just seem to want to drill it that you are right and I am wrong. Don't think that your view is an absolute, as none are, not even mine. Open your mind to those who are different, only then will the best viewpoint be developed. You seem to think that I somehow am not libertarian, how many times must my kind state this, Marxism-Leninism is a form of Socialism but is by far not the only form. Read about how diverse of a movement socialism is. It is about as (if not more) diverse than liberalism or conservatism, and socialism can combine liberal or conservative aspects into itself, i.e. become a syncretic stance with a wide variety of views. Socialism as a movement is united only by one tenet, worker (or employee in the modern sense) control...no other. Don't conflate my socialism with the communist utopian fools who are not willing to be flexible with there stance, I am not that but the very opposite.

The Nationalist Worker's Commune of Dennock

Informed Consent wrote:"If pro means for, and con means against, does that mean that Congress is the opposite of Progress?"

Why is that quote accurate???

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