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. . . ![]() Forest Regional History . . . The origins of Forest are shrouded in quite some mystery. What is known is that Forest was originally founded in the first week of August 2005 by a nation named Devdan. Devdan faded away by the end of the year, before any present members of Forest arrived. Many regions have histories such as this and almost all of them fade into obscurity. By early 2006 Errinundera had joined the region, followed soon after by Karock and The Dawn Tiger. The factbook at that time read "The Region of Forest is rich with wildlife of all shapes and sizes and is completely covered by a large forest." Until this time Forest had been a region without a delegate, but with an endorsement from Karock, Errinundera became the region’s first delegate on the 3rd of May, and for the first time since Devdan’s disappearance Forest residents had regional control. At this point Forest was a very small founderless region, and much like today small founderless regions were the target of even two bit raiders. On the 3rd of July nations affiliated with the region of Silent unsuccessfully attempted to raid Forest. Just four days later another unsuccessful attempt was made. Several more failed invasions were attempted over the next few months, but Forest persevered, even managing to triple its population during this time. Finally, on the 19th of November The Black Hawks, with the assistance of the Dream Raiders, successfully raided Forest under the leadership of the nation of Wicketkeeper. Forest was under hostile occupation until the 23rd of November when the Black Hawks left Forest and Errinundera resumed as delegate. At the end of December, Ransium joined the region. Errinundera continued as delegate until late February 2007 when, believing that membership held back their political development, they resigned from the UN and called for a different nation to become delegate. The Dawn Tiger found themselves as a reluctant delegate of Forest until, by mutual agreement, Ransium took over the position on the 20th of March. Seven days later the region was surprised to find that the founder of the region, Devdan had resurrected. There was much speculation as to the future of Forest with an active founder, and what Devdan would think to his backwater region having now grown to a 30 or so nation region. However Devdan never logged in again, never responded to the nations of Forest and 28 days later ceased to exist once more, never to be heard from again. This event and the past history of raids in Forest drove home the fact that without an active founder Forest would always be at risk from raiders and could never grow to its true potential. After debate, a bold plan advocated by Ransium was struck. Forest would be refounded with Errinundera as the founder. On the 1st of June Ransium password protected Forest so no nations could enter and established Forest 2, encouraging all members of Forest to move there temporarily. By the 5th of June, all nations except Errinundera and his puppets had either left Forest for Forest 2 or were ejected from Forest. Forest was refounded on the 8th of June (9th of June for some, depending on longitude) by Errinundera and all nations returned. A new age for the region began at this time and developments progressed rapidly. A forum was established, and more aggressive recruiting was under taken. ![]() ![]() Also during September Forest gained the ability to add a regional flag. Forest's first flag was submitted by Errinundera (left). By November the flag had been altered to one designed by Ransium (right). ![]() By early January 2012 Santa Joanna, feeling Forest had not reached its full potential, began efforts to help Forest grow. At this time the population of the region was around 29. Very quickly Santa Joanna got Forest’s population up to 40 nations. However, a major shock was delivered to Forest when on the 14th of January Errinundera ceased to exist. Based on the successful raid of Ecotopia, a region with an embassy with Forest; an anonymous tip; and several suspicious nations joining Forest; the region was emergency password protected by Ransium without debate. It was clear that Forest, without a founder, would be plagued by raiders again, so discussion turned to refounding the region once more, with debate centring on who would be the new founder and the refounding process. However, all this turned out to be moot, as Errinundera returned to Forest at the end of January ending the panic. On the 7th of February the first map of Forest was produced by Santa Joanna (with plenty more to follow) and thanks to their recruiting efforts the population of the region had risen at this time to 48. By the end of the month the population had reached 63, more than twice what it had been before recruitment had started. The region became a featured region once again on the 13th of April. These two factors, coupled with the recruitment efforts helped Forest to reach its 2012 population height of 85 on the 21st of April. During September Forest conducted its first election for regional delegate with campaigning to take place on the Forest Forum. The candidates were Ransium, Santa Joanna and Communal Ecotopia. Voters were asked to telegram their votes to the candidate of their choosing aswell as to Mountain Ash Forests, as independent observer. After a hard fought campaign Ransium was returned as delegate. ![]() After a discussion regarding how gold badges (for being first place in census reports, which were available at the time) wouldn’t be available to nations within the region until Forest surpassed 100 nations, Mozworld started recruitment in late February. By the end of March the region had surpassed this milestone, and by the 1st of June the region had reached its highest population to date of 146. On the 11th of April 2014 the region was once again a featured region. In October Forest conducted its second election for delegate. The same candidates (Ransium, Santa Joanna & Communal Ecotopia) stood once again. This time the election was conducted on the region homepage due to a polling feature having been introduced earlier in the year. No candidate received enough votes to win outright so the election went to a run-off between the top two candidates, Ransium and Santa Joanna, after which Ransium was once again returned as delegate. In January 2015, raiders began crashing regions whose delegates had very long continuous streaks, for the sole purpose of ending these streaks. First Texas, a region with the second longest serving delegate, was successfully crashed. Shortly afterwards an unsuccessful attempt was made at Ransium and Forest. However, on the 15th of August The Black Hawks finally successfully raided the region ending Ransium’s streak as delegate (having been in the position for 2989 days, one of the top 5 streaks in all of NationStates) and placing the nation of Ayrendrall in his place. The Black Hawks left as quickly as they came however as Errinundera ejected and banned the raiders and Ransium resumed the delegacy. During September Forest started a regional newspaper, The Forest News Leaf, under the editorship of Frieden-und Freudenland. At the same time Bruination took over responsibility for producing the region’s maps. The first map produced under their stewardship was released on the 23rd of November. Following a couple of months of intensive recruitment Forest once again passed the 100 nations milestone in mid-October. With the exception of surges due to April Fools and Halloween events it was the first time the region had done so since 2013. In late October, following a long period without one, Gil Zardon was appointed as Foreign Minister, with responsibility for maintaining diplomatic relations with our embassy regions and vetting other regions seeking an embassy with Forest in accordance with our embassy policy (the contents of which having been agreed upon over the summer). Around the same time the groundwork was laid for a future constitution for Forest, in order to formalise how the regional government functions. WA members were asked to vote on different elements for inclusion, with the consensus decision being taken in each case. Once this process was completed Ransium wrote a first draft of the constitution and this was published in mid-December for review by the members of Forest. A revised draft was published in early January 2016 and was put to vote by the WA members of Forest. The Constitution was ratified by a unanimous vote on the 12th of January. On the 4th of May Forest surpassed its previous highest population with 147 nations and reached 150 nations three days later. ![]() On the 18th of September Forest's population reached 200 for the first time in its history. During September and October Forest conducted its third election for regional delegate, now renamed Forest Keeper. The candidates were Ransium, Communal Ecotopia, Chan Island, Montmorencia and Unhuman Reserves. Ransium was returned as Forest Keeper with an absolute majority. Following the election Ransium appointed Communal Ecotopia as Deputy Forest Keeper and Montmorencia as Transition Team Leader. During mid-November Mount Seymour was selected to be the new Foreign Minister and Caracasus the Minister for Roleplay. During December, upon completion of their transition duties, Montmorencia was appointed Minister for Statistics and Research. On the 20th of January 2017 Ransium was selected to become an Issues Editor. As a result of their new responsibilities they felt that they couldn't devote the time to being Forest Keeper that the region deserved so chose to step down. A new election for Forest Keeper was called with Mount Seymour, Lilindir, Eryndlynd, Unhuman Reserves and Cam Peos among the nations to put themselves forward for the position. Mount Seymour was overwhelmingly elected and became the new Forest Keeper on the 14th of February. Following their election Mount Seymour decided to keep the existing cabinet (including preserving Ransium as WA Delegate) however reshuffling Montmorencia into the now vacant Foreign Minister position. On the 12th of April Forest received a Commendation from the WA Security Council for its dedication to the environment (#219). As a result of the publicity that the region received during the Security Council vote Forest's population surpassed 250 nations for the first time. At the end of June Montmorencia stepped down from their position as Foreign Minister. This was filled a few days later by Uan aa Boa. Montmorencia later returned to the regional government at the end of August as Statistics & Research Minister. During September and October Forest held its regularly scheduled election for Forest Keeper. Initially Mount Seymour entered the race for re-election but pulled out prior to the polls opening. Ultimately Palos Heights won the contest in a landslide. Following the election Mount Seymour returned to the cabinet as Culture Minister, before resigning in mid-January to help in the creation of a new regional map. Initially Montmorencia stepped away from the cabinet (though continued research and statistics in an unofficial capacity) but later returned to fill the vacant Culture Minister post. Throughout Forest's history it had created embassies with various regions for the purposes of communication and friendship. At the end of 2017 however it began to formalise some of these relationships by way of treaties. A formal treaty was established with Yggdrasil in December and another with The Rejected Realms in January. During March 2018 Uan aa Boa stepped down from the post of Foreign Minister, to be replaced by Ruinenlust a few days later. Then in early April Montmorencia stepped down from the position of Culture Minster, to be replaced by The Cypher Nine shortly thereafter. At the same time Chan Island took over the editorship of the regional newspaper, The Forest Leaf, which had been somewhat neglected in recent times. In May Palos Heights tendered their resignation as Forest Keeper. A special election was called to fill the position, with 9 candidates putting their names forward. As this took place more than 3 months before the next scheduled election in September the winning candidate would see out the remainder of Palos Heights' term until then. The initial round of voting took place in early June, however despite Caracasus receiving a plurality of the vote it was not quite enough for a simple majority. A run-off was then held alongside Mount Seymour who had received the next highest number of votes. Caracasus maintained their lead in the run-off and was elected the next Forest Keeper on the 10th of June. The cabinet remain largely unchain, though Caracasus stepped down from from their Roleplay Minister role to be Forest Keeper. The position remained vacant. Almost 2 years since the last regional map by Bruination a cartography committee comprising Areulder and Calenmor released a new map during August. During Caracasus’ tenure, the Constitution of Forest was amended to shorten Forest Keeper terms to six months, with elections held every March 16 and September 16. In September, Caracasus returned to their prior position of Roleplay Minister. This event saw the rise of Uan aa Boa narrowly defeating Lord Dominator in the general election. As a former Foreign Minister of Forest, Uan aa Boa gave particular attention to growing the branches of Forest in the international hemisphere, including adding the post of Gameplay Ambassador, held by Lord Dominator, to help bring Forest closer to the NS forum. In March of 2019, Turbeaux won the election for Forest Keeper after Uan aa Boa chose not to continue their tenure. With their appointment, Turbeaux successfully saw the passage of an amendment to Article 6 – Embassies of the Constitution of Forest in May, which had been proposed in the previous administration. In addition, per the encouragement of Candlewhisper Archive, an environmental agenda was created in July to bring awareness and responsibility to particular issues in the world. For the first time in 5 years Forest became the featured region on the 14th of June and then again on the 10th of August. From the soil of the Forest Keeper elections in September grew Verdant Haven as the tallest tree, with Turbeaux continuing work on the Environmental Action Agenda and Octopus Islands newly taking on the cartographer position. Kawastyselir joined the government during December as Arborist bringing new life into the Ministry of Research and Statistics. Following a campaign pledge to keep the region informed about government activities Verdant Haven introduced monthly transparency reports. During January they shepherded a constitutional amendment through regarding embassies, to help resolve issues during the embassy creation process that had long been a source of consternation. The rest of their term was the calm before the storm that was yet to come. The March election was due to commence on the 16th of March, but that day came and went with no sign of our founder to initiate the processdings. Due to wording within the constitution, the government was unable to legally perform their duties so was in a state of limbo awaiting Errinundera’s return. Two weeks passed before Errinundera returned. Unfortunately this was at a time of a wider Nationstates Secretary General election, so to save on confusion the start of our own election was postponed until after that was concluded. Alas, Errinundera wouldn’t return again for another month. During that time however an amendment to the constitution was unanimously passed to provide assistance to the founder during election season in the form of election officers. ![]() Forest was due to celebrate its Crystal Jubilee during the first week of August. To commemorate this occasion a special flag contest was organised with the winning entry to be flown for the duration of the celebrations. The winning flag (right) was designed by Northern Wood. On the 19th of August it was announced that after more than 13 years Ransium had decided to step down from the position of WA Delegate. Per the constitution it fell to Verdant Haven to nominate a replacement. They had been in discussions with Ransium and Errinundera for the previous month over who to choose and it was decided that the best candidate for the job should be Ruinenlust. Although no-one knew at the time, Errinundera’s approval of Ruinenlust’s appointment would be their last official act. The autumn election was due to start on the 16th of September, but as with the spring election, the day passed with no sign of our founder. It was decided following the previous election that the regional officers should continue to perform their duties until such time as the election was initiated, but as the Forest Keeper’s term had expired the government was merely maintaining the status quo. Days turned into weeks and the mysterious absence of our founder continued. Their nation continued to exist so there was still hope that one day they would return, but it was clear that they were starting to fade away. On the 7th of March the inevitable happened and Errinundera ceased to exist. With no founder, executive functions of the region fell to our delegate Ruinenlust. But according to the constitution without a founder the region was supposed to be destroyed and refounded. This would have been a worthy consideration early in Forest’s history when it was much smaller, but was no longer appropriate. Forest was much larger and more secure, its extensive message board and other history would be lost if Forest were to be refounded again. An amendment to the constitution was passed which eliminated the need to refound the region and let it continue under an Executive Delegate. On the 16th of March 2021 Forest’s delayed election finally commenced. As there hadn’t been one for nearly a year by this point there was much interest in the contest. The top three candidates Chan Island, The Cypher Nine and Lord Dominator received the majority of the votes but none of them achieved a majority, so a run-off election was held between the top two, Chan Island and The Cypher Nine. This led to the closest vote in Forest’s history but Chan Island prevailed. With the loss of Errinundera Forest’s security was a risk, so Chan Island’s manifesto called for the creation of Forest Ranger positions (to be held by Ownzone and Einswenn) to help protect the region from unsavoury characters causing trouble. The rest of the cabinet included The Cypher Nine as Deputy Forest Keeper, Verdant Haven as Foreign Minister, Terrabod as Culture Minister, Middle Barael as Lore Minister, Mozworld as Forest Memory and Kawastyselir staying on as Arborist. To mark the new founderless era of Forest's history, a flag contest was held by the new government. Ultimately, however, Forest voted to keep Mount Seymour's 2016 design, over the winning entry from Verdant Haven. Terrabod was responsible for holding the first Forest Interregional Writing Contest, and released 4 editions of the Voice of Forest - highlighting the life and work of various environmental activists - as part of a renewed environmental focus in regional events and communications, also including new regional research and world building efforts from Kawastyselir. Beginning in June, Middle Barael would begin a regional roleplay settling, introducing the Union of Forest as an in-character alliance between Forestian nations, and later the Forest EcoCON roleplay, which would run through until February 2022. In October, Jutsa, who had been appointed Head Cartographer in the final month of the previous term, would emerge as the new Forest Keeper, following a clear victory over the previous Deputy Forest Keeper, The Cypher Nine, despite the former running on a joke campaign. A large cabinet (referred to as a "Shelf") was appointed, with many previously unified roles being split into multiple positions, and 16 appointments made in total. The subsequent term would see the continuation and expansion of many initiatives from the previous Chan Island term, including an in-character roleplay event surrounding NationStates' Z-Day, run by Terrabod and various further research projects such as Sean Fiobha's List of Forest Puppets and Garbelia's Festivity Index. In April 2022, Jutsa was re-elected for a second Forest Keeper term with a landslide 81% of the vote despite running another joke campaign. This time, a smaller cabinet was appointed, with The Cypher Nine remaining as Deputy Forest Keeper for a third successive administration, Uan aa Boa as Head of Diplomacy, Mount Seymour as Head of Communications, York Zionia as Historian, Daarwyrth as Forest Ranger and with Garbelia, The Most Serene Republicans, Mozworld and Roless remaining in their previous positions as Statistician, Cartographer, Makeup Artist and Forest Ranger respectively. The following months in the groves of Forest were slightly quieter, with some minor constitutional amendments passed to clarify the election process, embassies closed with Osiris following their raid on another embassy region, A Liberal Haven and a weekend of game nights with The Leftist Assembly to celebrate Earth Day, a collaboration which would later be reprised with an Art contest in 2025. The September elections would see Garbelia narrowly defeat Jutsa's bid for a third term, in an election where no other candidates received votes. The cabinet appointed included several new faces, including Kase and Prusmia, who took over from Daarwyrth as Minister of Foreign Affairs following the latter's resignation in December of that year. Much of the discourse during and following that election was focused on the high number of short and irrelevant RMB messages coming from members of The North Pacific, and as such the region voted to close onsite embassies, whilst retaining positive diplomatic relations, with the new Minister of Foreign Affairs Prusmia appointed as ambassador to complete the process. The March 2023 election saw 7 candidates nominated, however Uan aa Boa and Einswenn received an overwhelming majority between them, and Uan aa Boa narrowly won the proceeding runoff, appointing a largely familiar cabinet, with multiple nations retaining their previous positions. Less than a month after this election, the Frontier/Stronghold update was released, posing a significant question to the Forest community that had been founderless and at risk of raider activity since Errinundera's disappearance in 2021: become a frontier, and risk security for growth, keep the status quo, or become a stronghold? A sizeable majority elected to become a stronghold, allowing the appointment of an executive governor, who could function just as Errinundera had done as founder since 2005. This decision required a manoeuvre whereby the region would convert to a frontier and back, meaning that for 14 days (the transition period), the region would be more vulnerable to invasion. In another referendum, the region voted to remain passworded for this period, in order to nullify this risk. On 5th May 2023, Forest became a frontier, and by the 26th of that month, the long-serving WA delegate Ruinenlust became the regional governor, selected by the Forest Keeper Uan aa Boa over Ransium, who admitted they would struggle to make the time commitment for the mechanical role of the Governor. Similarly, Verdant Haven was selected to take the new non-executive WA delegacy, recognising their many years of service to the Forest community, and ending Ruinenlust's almost 3-and-a-half year term as delegate. Following this transition, the Governorship Amendment was passed almost unanimously, which removed all literal references to the region's Founder, replacing it with the Head of State where applicable. Uan aa Boa declined to run for re-election, and as such the previous election's runner-up Einswenn went one further, promising a focus on stability and roleplay, appointing Columbiqash to lead regional lore-building efforts for the subsequent term, which was generally quiet and stable, as Einswenn's manifesto had laid out. The 16th Forest Keeper election saw first-time candidate Zerphen elected over perennial contender Garbelia, with a campaign centred on events and foreign affairs, in contrast to the more domestically-inclined Forest Keepers of the previous years. Their cabinet included multiple new faces, perhaps most notably The Realizer as Culture and Events Minister, who would begin the term by launching the Forest Trivia Competition, which took place weekly on the RMB throughout most of the 6 month term, taking a hiatus following a significant NationStates outage in the middle of April 2024. Around this period, Forest also received several embassy requests, voting in favour for Sol Aeternalis, Lands End, Valaryia and Ridgefield. Furthermore, several events were hosted, such as The Realizer's Forest Poetry Fantasia, their Forest Scavenger Hunt and the Bankless Chess Arena with The Region That Has No Big Banks, all events that would see further iterations at later points in time. In the September 2024 elections, Garbelia would go from Deputy to Forest Keeper, being elected over 4 other candidates, of whom only Anxious and Kevin released a full campaign. Many of the figures from Zerphen's cabinet remained in their previous positions, including Jutsa as Foreign Affairs Branch, The Realizer as Events Branch and Roless entering their 5th consecutive term as Cartographer. Many of the projects pursued by the 17th Administration were focused on documenting regional culture and activities, including The Realizer's series of Interviews in the Trees, which would go on to feature several notable regional figures and the Government Transparency Reports, authored by Forest Warden Osionic, making a return for the first time since Verdant Haven's lengthened 2020/2021 term. Furthermore, the Forest Arboretum project, founded by Garbelia in the previous term, would undergo closer integration to the government, as part of an effort to collect significant Forestian dispatches into one central repository. As part of an effort to recognise the close cultural collaboration between the two regions, The Accord of the Bankless Arboretum was ratified with The Region That Has No Big Banks on 9th October 2024, laying the groundwork for further co-operation later in the term, such as the 2nd Bankless Forest chess arena, the Big Quiz of 2024, and the Continuing a trend of single-term Forest Keepers, Garbelia did not run for re-election, and so relative regional newcomer Bisofeyr was duly elected, following a close runoff with the long-serving Cartographer Roless. The early months of the 1st Bisofeyr Cabinet saw the reprisal of the Forest Poetry Fantasia and Earth Day celebrations with The Leftist Assembly, as well the PEAT MOSS amendment, which clarified and streamlined the embassy request process. The first week of August 2025 marked the 20th anniversary of Forest's original foundation by Devdan, the exact date of which remains unknown. In celebration of this significant milestone, the entire month of August was dedicated to celebrations and events, featuring the 2nd Scavenger Hunt, the Forest Murder Mystery, a Flag Contest and Banner contest, both of which saw the pre-existing choices maintained, and a Forest history quiz, held on the regional Discord. As well as this, several of the most significant figures in Forestian history were contacted to send out anniversary messages to the region, which were released on the RMB across the month. No sooner had the the anniversary concluded, than the September 2025 elections began, seeing a continuation of the high energy from the celebrations with a lively field of 7 candidates. After a close initial round and runoff, The Realizer was elected Forest Keeper for the first time, ending a 3 term stint in charge of regional events. In their place, Azure Mines and Kannap were appointed to lead the events branch, organising the return of Forest Trivia and the 2nd annual Big Quiz, held alongside The Region That Has No Big Banks. In February 2026, Mount Seymour hosted the Eleventh Annual Photo Contest, marking a decade since the event was first hosted by Frieden-und Freudenland. Feburary and March saw multiple NationStates sites events hosted, namely the Wonders event and N-Day. The Forest entry to Wonders, Waldeinsamkeit secured third place overall, and N-Day featured the revival of Forest's traditional faction, Canopy, for its first event since March 2023. . | Errinundera ![]() Flag Motto: "Please leave meat, leather, guns and cars in bin provided." ![]() Map Region: Forest Population: 35.211 billion Capital: First Creek Falls Official Languages: English Oo (or U) Zu-Vendi Japanese (Cuttlefish Island) Potoroo Quoll Wombat Possum Wallaby Boobook Bat Many other semi-official animal languages Demonym: Errinundrian Government: Cool Temperate Rainforest (Communities) Legislature: National Parliament GDP (nominal): $356 trillion Currency: Bola (β) Animal: Sniffer Wombat Time Zone: Australian Eastern Daylight Time Errinundera Errinundera, officially the Cool Temperate Rainforests of Errinundera, was a sovereign nation, and the first delegate and second founder of Forest. Though their total area remains unknown, they were the largest nation known to the region during their time. With a population of 35.211 billion Errinunderians, they were the third most populated in the region. Errinundera remains one of the most eminent figures in Forest for their early and enduring contributions towards fostering an inclusive, informed, and environmentally-friendly region. From the main page, Errinundera was known to be a gargantuan, socially progressive nation, remarkable for their lack of airports, national health service, and hatred of cheese. The compassionate, hard-working, democratic, cheerful Errinundrians held their civil and political rights very dear, although the wealthy and those in business tended to be viewed with suspicion. The tiny, liberal, outspoken government was solely concerned with Environment. They met to discuss matters of state in the capital city of First Creek Falls. The average income tax rate was 1.6%, but much higher for the wealthy. The large but stagnant Errinundrian economy, worth 356 trillion bolas a year, was driven entirely by a combination of government and state-owned industry, with private enterprise illegal. However, for those in the know, there was a large, well-organized, extremely specialized black market in Book Publishing and Information Technology. The private sector mostly consisted of enterprising ten-year-olds selling lemonade on the sidewalk. Average income was 10,418 bolas, and distributed extremely evenly, with little difference between the richest and poorest citizens. Crime, especially youth-related, was so common that it was unusual to encounter someone following the law, perhaps because of the country's complete lack of prisons. Errinundera's national animal was the sniffer wombat, which frolicked freely in the nation's many lush forests. Contents 1 Etymology 2 History 2.1 From the Errinundera Dreamtime Myth 3 Geography 4 Government 4.1 Mayors and Magistrates 4.2 National Parliament 4.3 Protectorates 4.4 The Ultimate Magistracy 4.5 Public Attitudes 5 National Symbols 6 Celebrations and Commemorations 7 National Sports 7.1 Bloodsucking 7.2 Soccor 8 Vegetarianism in Errinundera 9 Legacy 10 References In a statement on the origin and meaning behind the name of Errinundera, they describe it as "a typo named after a national park in eastern Victoria notable for it's cool temperate rainforests," known as the Errinundra National Park.1 History From the Errinundera Dreamtime Myth "In the Dreamtime there was the forest and the spirit of the forest was Errinu. It was he who gave life to the plants and spread them far and wide. He abided in the largest tree in the very heart of the forest from where he could see to all corners of his domain. There were no rivers or animals in those days. The trees were nourished by the soil and by the constant mists that lay upon the forest. But Errinu was unhappy and he knew not why. "One day in the glade before the Errinu tree the mist took living form and Undra danced in a slow, weaving movement before the great tree. She danced for the joy of existence and was sure the tree made this so. Errinu thought she was beautiful, more beautiful than any living thing in his forest and wondered about this. Many times afterwards Undra returned, her spirit only able to form in the glade before Errinu. Although they could not speak to each other their love grew. "Over time Undra’s courage also grew and she penetrated the bark of Errinu to abide with him thereafter. From their bountiful union sprung the moving things of the forest floor: the animals and the people that came to be called Oo; and the streams and rivers that came to be called Be." "To understand Errinundrians you must appreciate their relationship with the forest. They have a saying, 'Errinundera is forest; forest is Errinundera' that encapsulates this relationship. The abstract political fiction that is the nation Errinundera is made real by the forest. Citizens of the nation are, therefore, a part of the forest. They do not call the nation 'home'; they call the forest 'home'. Ask a travelling Errinundrian where they come from and they will answer, 'the forest' or 'outside the forest', as the case may be. Even today, most people live in the trees. To destroy the forest is to destroy their home. "The preferred trees used for homes are all eucalypts: shining gum, brown barrel, mountain ash, alpine ash, mountain grey gum, manna gum and messmate; but it is the misty cool temperate rainforest of the central plateau and surrounding areas that are cherished most by Errinundrians. And most loved of all trees of the montane rainforest are the conical shaped southern sassafras with its nutmeg scent and the tree waratah with its spectacular red flowers. Down on the forest floor the national animal, the long-footed potoroo, frolics freely." "Errinundera is a highly decentralised, communitarian nation. Authority is vested in two institutions found in every village, town or suburb - the Mayor and the Magistrate." "The Mayor is elected by universal franchise of citizens in the mayoral zone. The national constitution places strict rules on the elections to ensure they are as fair and democratic as possible. Elections must be held every three years or less. It is quite common for mayoral elections to be held every year in some zones or even more frequently in others. The Mayor presides over local decision making and officiates at ceremonial occasions. Every Mayor is entitled to a seat in the lower house of the National Parliament. "The Magistrate is appointed for a fixed term by each Mayoral zone in any way the zone sees fit. Magistrates must have a Degree in Magistracy at one of the approved Law Schools in Errinundera, most notably the Polytechnic in McKillops Bridge and the Lyceum in First Creek Falls. The term expires at the following Mayoral election. The Magistrate decides upon the validity of Mayoral law and adjudicates on local legal matters. Every magistrate is entitled to a seat in the upper house of the National Parliament. "The number of Mayors and Magistrates allotted to a location is determined by its population according to rules in the constitution. A village, is by definition, a location with only one of each. Cities have many. "Issues that require co-ordination between locations are determined in fora established in the regional administrative centres and in ad hoc district meetings." "National and international issues are determined in the National Parliament in First Creek Falls. Due to the variable terms of Mayors and Magistrates the membership of the two houses is extremely fluid. This discourages long term alliances and political parties. Further, the intense rivalry between the villages, towns, cities and regions of Errinundera results in many important issues being neglected or avoided. Witness the poor state of rail services and the complete absence of a defence force. Note that, in the latter example, there is universal hostility to its establishment. "The House of Mayors is where Acts are introduced and budgets formulated. This is equivalent to a House of Commons or Representatives. Most of the great national debates are resolved (or not resolved) in this chamber. "The House of Magistrates cannot introduce Acts or amend them. It can only rule on their validity according to the Constitution and preceding Acts of Parliament. This power is used in a highly politicised way in any case. There are also many upper house committees whose findings and advice are implemented throughout the country." "Somewhat akin to Ministries, Protectorates are allotted to members of either house of the National Parliament by the vote of their peers. Considerable responsibility is vested in the Protectors. "The most prestigious Protectorate is "Protector of Civic Choice, Economic Participation and the Natural Environment". This ridiculous title was invented by the comedian, boomb, and adopted in the same spirit by the parliament of the time. This is not widely known now and Errinundrians often wonder at its pomposity. The Protector of Blah, Blah, Blah (as the holder is also called) is the closest Errinundrians come to having a national leader." "The upper house elects 7 Magistrates as members of the Ultimate Magistracy which is equivalent to a High Court. Once appointed the Magistrate must resign from all other positions. The are only 4 ways a Magistrate leaves the position: death, retirement at the age of 70, resignation or dismissal due to misconduct. Because Errinundera is a libertarian nation Ultimate Magistrates are rarely dismissed and, in all cases so far, for financial misconduct." "Public attitudes to political institutions are inversely proportional to the distance from that institution. In their local roles, Mayors and Magistrates are revered. The National Parliament is loathed and is frequently set alight." "Animal: Long-footed potoroo (Potorous longipes)"
"Tree: Southern sassafras (Atherosperma moschatum)"
"Flower: Tree waratah (Telopea oreades)"
Celebrations and Commemorations
"Attach a leech to your body and see whose can grow the largest. (Errinundera is awash with leeches.)" "The Errinundera Football Association manages a flourishing competition. The nation has qualified regularly for the NationStates World Cup." "In the dreamtime legends of the Oo (the indiginous inhabitants of the Errinundrian forest) the union of the forest spirit, Errinu, and the mist spirit, Undra, begat the moving things of the forest floor, ie water and animals, including humans. "The Oo draw two fundamental implications from this world view: 1) that all animals have equal status; and "As reasoning beings, the Oo conclude that the use of animals should be kept to an absolute minimum so as not to abuse their duty of care towards the forest. With protein substitutes becoming widely available during the twentieth century, the Oo renounced the killing of animals altogether. "The other large ethnic group - the Zu-vendi of the Snowy River valley - though not vegetarian like the Oo, were strongly committed to the preservation of their environment. "There were many environmental abuses under the usurper monarchy (1889-1905) and the puritanicy (1905-1941). The great mass movement that grew during the puritanicy adopted many of the philosophical principles of Oo beliefs, unsurprisingly, as many of its leaders were from the forests. "With the 1941 liberation, environmental conservation became a central tenet of the Errinundrian constitution, although without a requirement for vegetarianism out of respect for Zu-vendi culture. "The centre of meat production in the nation had been Rodger River, a city where Zu-vendi and Oo had completely assimilated. The meat industry was dominated by companies closely associated with the puritans. Within 12 months of the liberation the Rodgerers adopted vegetarianism in reaction against the industry and torched the company's buildings. "The destruction of the Rodger River meat industry electrified the nation and galvanised the new leadership. Cities, towns and villages mandated vegetarianism and trashed offending businesses. On 6 February 1958 the last town of the nation adopted compulsory vegetarianism. The day is commemorated as V-day." After serving as the first delegate and becoming the second founder of Forest in 2007, Errinundera readily continued as the executive authority for nearly fourteen years before their CTE in early March 2021. With their careful green thumb and symbiotic governance, Forest grew to an average of nearly 500 sustained nations per day. Whether by the enactment of the Constitution, the commendation of Forest, the skill of interregional diplomacy, or the collaboration with nine separate administrations to ensure domestic harmony, Errinundera's influence and wisdom kept Forest alive and as cool as a temperate rainforest. Perhaps this truth could not be more evident than their own immortal words spoken in a brief address to Forest on June 24, 2016: References . ![]() . | Forest Election Candidates and Voting Results: - Election for Second Forest Keeper (Concluded October 3rd, 2016) -
- Election for Third Forest Keeper (Concluded February 14th, 2017) -
- Election for Fourth Forest Keeper (Concluded October 3rd, 2017) -
- Election for Fifth Forest Keeper (Concluded June 7th, 2018) -
~ Runoff Election for Fifth Forest Keeper (Concluded June 10th, 2018) ~
- Election for Sixth Forest Keeper (Concluded October 2nd, 2018) -
- Election for Seventh Forest Keeper (Concluded March 23rd, 2019) -
- Election for Eighth Forest Keeper (Concluded October 3rd, 2019) -
- Election for Ninth Forest Keeper (Concluded May 11th, 2020) -
- Election for Tenth Forest Keeper (Concluded April 1st, 2021) -
~ Runoff Election for Tenth Forest Keeper (Concluded April 4th, 2021) ~
- Election for Eleventh Forest Keeper (Concluded October 3rd, 2021) -
- Election for Twelfth Forest Keeper (Concluded April 1st, 2022) -
- Election for Thirteenth Forest Keeper (Concluded September 17th, 2022) -
- Election for Fourteenth Forest Keeper (Concluded March 17th, 2023) -
~ Runoff Election for Fourteenth Forest Keeper (Concluded March 20th, 2023) ~
- Election for Fifteenth Forest Keeper (Concluded September 17th, 2023) -
- Election for Sixteenth Forest Keeper (Concluded March 17th, 2024) -
- Election for Seventeenth Forest Keeper (Concluded September 17th, 2024) -
- Election for Eighteenth Forest Keeper (Concluded March 17th, 2025) -
~ Runoff Election for Eighteenth Forest Keeper (Concluded March 20th, 2025) ~
- Election for Nineteenth Forest Keeper (Concluded September 17th, 2025) -
~ Runoff Election for Nineteenth Forest Keeper (Concluded September 20th, 2025) ~
- Election for Twentieth Forest Keeper (Concluded March 17th, 2026) -
~ Runoff Election for Twentieth Forest Keeper (Concluded March 20th, 2026) ~
- Election for Twenty-First Forest Keeper (Concluded September 13th, 2026) -
Note: The first administration was not an elected position, See Also: List of historic cabinet officers of Forest | . . . ![]() The Officers of Forest . . . Throughout Forest’s history, numerous nations have served their fellow citizens as Regional Officers, helping to diligently, decisively, and deciduously craft the region into the formidable place it has become today. The modern Constitution of Forest was enacted on January 12, 2016, marking the advent of our current system of governance and leadership, which includes an elected Head of Government who appoints officers to assist them in guiding the region. This listing identifies these officers, variously known as the "Cabinet" or "Shelf" of Forest, and their roles within each administration since the Constitution came into being. The chief executive of each administration, the Forest Keeper, is highlighted in green text. Officers of State
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. . . ![]() Forest Welcome Telegrams . . Current Welcome Telegram Hello and welcome to Forest, we're very happy to have a new tree in our woods! As you should already have hopefully realized, Forest is a peaceful and environmentally-friendly region, but is home to a wide range of nations and players. Most of the regional activity happens on our RMB (Regional Message Board), where Forestians like to have in-depth conversations about everything from real-life news to World Assembly proposals to developments in our own lives. We only ask that you write with respect for other Forestians by avoiding double-posting or very short messages without relevance to their context. We encourage participation in the World Assembly. If you are a WA member, we kindly request that you endorse our WA delegate, Verdant Haven, who on principle casts their vote with the democratic majority of the region. This helps our voice be heard on the world stage. Forest is a community led by its members, and we are very receptive to ideas and passion projects from Forestians. If you have an idea that you think might be fun for the region, you don’t need to have any sort of position—just propose it and, who knows, it may end up turning into a regular event like many of our traditions! If you’re interested in reading up on the region—events, statistics, history, our constitution and administration, our map, and more—you can find all of that kept in our Forest Arboretum. Or, if you’re not sure about something, feel free to ask on the RMB, and other Forestians will almost certainly be able to assist! Once again, I wholeheartedly welcome you as a denizen of this special community. Hope to see you around the region soon, . Historical Welcome Telegrams Welcome to Forest, Fellow Tree! We are happy to see you among us. We hope that you will enjoy your stay here, and even stay here permanently, becoming an active member of a vibrant eco-friendly community. Since you have just arrived, I’d like to show you around to familiarize you with your new home. As you must already have realized, Forest is a peaceful and environmentally friendly region (what a surprise!), but is open to a wide range of political opinions and government systems, imposing no barriers on countries of certain NS classifications entering the region. With over 200 members, Forest is quite a bustling place. Most of the regional activity happens on our RMB (Regional Message Board). page=display_region_rmb/region=forest But our offsite forum, too, would be overjoyed to receive your contributions:)) [old forum link redacted] In addition we have a regional newspaper. Here you can publish news from your country, as well as advertisements of your national brands. Please remember that you have to install an extension called NS++ for this feature to become available. If you are unable to install and use NS++ for some reason, do not despair. You can still write your article and get it published by contacting a member who has NS++ and who can post it on your behalf. Many members would be more than happy to help. (Me, for example. I am also one of the editors of the newspaper, so I can post it and then publish it immediately:)) https://nationstatesplusplus.net/newspaper?id=3681 Forest also has a brilliant cartography division. You can secure a place in our map by fulfilling some requirements, such as remaining in the region for a certain period of time and posting on the RMB. It’s really much easier than it sounds. For details, see the link below. page=dispatch/id=522876 We also have a flourishing RP (role-playing) thread here in Forest. Forest is kinda new to RP activity, so it’s still in its infancy, thus we would be delighted to have you contribute your ideas to it. Why don’t you check out our RP thread? viewtopic.php?f=4&t=392491 Forest also strongly encourages World Assembly (WA) activity, with many WA member nations voting for or against World Assembly and Security Council resolutions. We also have a number of nations who have drafted WA resolutions and have managed to put them on vote and to have them passed. If you want to join the WA and to actively take part in drafting resolutions, I am sure many members of Forest who have more experience in such matters would provide you with valuable guidance in case you need some advice. If you are a WA member, we would kindly request that you endorse the WA delegate - the office of which is currently occupied by Forest Keeper-elect Ransium. Our request is based upon two reasons. First, endorsing the WA Delegate provides more stability and security to our region, since it becomes harder for invaders to surpass the number of endorsements the current WA Delegate has and thus to topple the regional government, in case an invasion should happen. (If you are new to NS and haven't heard about the raider/defender gameplay, drop a line on the RMB. Again, many people will be ready to explain it to you. Please note that Forest does not take part in any military operations.) Second, when the WA Delegates vote on the WA & Security Council resolutions, they have as many votes as they have endorsements. Thus if Ransium has 40 endorsements, he will have 40 votes, etc. As a principle, Ransium almost always votes in line with the majority of Forest's residents, so giving endorsements to Ransium enables us to reflect our regional consensus on WA & Security Council resolutions much more forcefully. Are you familiar with Issues? You know, those issues that you have to answer every day, unless your nation is in vacation mode. Those issues are actually written by the NS players, and the NS forum has a special thread for suggesting issues. Unfortunately (or fortunately) the issues become accepted after a very lengthy and nitpicky editing process, so it always helps to ask more experienced players for advice. Any member of NS community will be happy to help you in the forum, in case you are interested in writing issues. But also remember that Forest has several members who have successfully written issues that became incorporated into the game. Again, just drop a line on the RMB, and they can offer help to you. The link to the Issues thread of the NS forum is below.
Please keep in mind that Forest is a very liberal region when it comes to sharing ideas:)) So if you have an idea as to how we could make the NS experience more enjoyable for all of us, please don’t hesitate to share. Some of the activities in Forest, be they traditional, (hopefully) long-lasting events (such as the annual photo contest) or one-time events (such as the contest organized to decide on our regional flag) have all come about with the suggestions of the members of Forest. So you may propose an idea, and it may end up becoming a traditional annual spectacle. Why not? In Forest, imagination is the limit. Once again, I wholeheartedly welcome you to our region. I hope we will all grow and thrive together in this lush forest. 🌲 Welcome to Forest, Fellow Tree! 🌲 Forest is a peaceful and eco-friendly region, but we welcome all nations. ^_^ If your nation has joined the World Assembly (WA) or is planning to join, please endorse our current WA Delegate Ransium so our voice together can be heard in the world! There are many different ways to get involved and participate in our region. A good place to start would be to introduce yourself on the Regional Message Board (RMB) and join in on the discussion. Also consider joining our regional forum, which can be found here: http://z7.invisionfree.com/NationStates_Forest/ Tons of information about Forest and resources about the different aspects of the game can also be found in our regional directory. The regional directory is here: page=dispatch/id=734638 If you have any questions, feel free to ask, don't hesitate. :) Have a verdant day, Hello and welcome to Forest, we're very happy to have a new tree in our woods! As you should already have hopefully realized, Forest is a peaceful and environmentally-friendly region, but is home to a wide range of nations and players. Most of the regional activity happens on our RMB (Regional Message Board), where Forestians like to have in-depth conversations about everything from real-life news to World Assembly proposals to developments in our own lives. We only ask that you write with respect for other Forestians by avoiding double-posting or very short messages without relevance to their context. We encourage participation in the World Assembly. If you are a WA member, we kindly request that you endorse our WA delegate, Verdant Haven, who on principle casts their vote with the democratic majority of the region. This helps our voice be heard on the world stage. Forest is a community led by its members, and we are very receptive to ideas and passion projects from Forestians. If you have an idea that you think might be fun for the region, you don’t need to have any sort of position—just propose it and, who knows, it may end up turning into a regular event like many of our traditions! If you’re interested in reading up on the region—events, statistics, history, our constitution and administration, our map, and more—you can find all of that kept in our Arboretum. Or, if you’re not sure about something, feel free to ask on the RMB, and other Forestians will almost certainly be able to assist! Once again, I wholeheartedly welcome you as a denizen of this special community. Hope to see you around the region soon, . . . | History of the Forest Map | . | . |
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I believe that Forest should represent all Foresters, not just Foresters in the World Assembly. I would love to listen to the thoughts of Foresters that are not in the World Assembly. I propose the formation of a committee of advisors that would not necessarily be composed of cabinet-level ministers. If future Forest Keepers would like to maintain this approach that would be great as far as I am concerned but I am not attempting to establish a permanent committee. Each Forest Keeper should be able to operate within their own style (unless it is contrary to NS rules or the Forest way). I would also like to bring back cabinet members from previous administrations if no other nations wish to be considered for their positions (except Deputy Forest Keeper because I would like that to be Chan Island with their consent). This/these positions is/are wide open since Canaltia has indicated that they have too many upcoming commitments to reassume their position aside from a final update in April covering the election in addition to other recent events. Thank you for your service Canaltia! As an ambassador to multiple regions, it has been a great relief to have your updates! I cannot offer tours of the forums because I tend to avoid them but if Deputy Forest Keeper Chan Island wishes to seriously implement those, they will have my full support! Also, I have not been condemned by the World Assembly so Chan Island is definitely worth the consideration of a vote despite their self-identification of their campaign as a “joke”. Additionally, it is worth pointing out that Chan Island has been in Forest since June 2017 while I moved here comparatively recently around the beginning of 2018. Based on that fact alone, I do not consider Chan Island’s campaign to be a “joke”. You certainly do not have to vote for me but please do, --Turbeaux (If you have any questions or wish to be considered for a cabinet-level position, please telegram me or reach out to me on Discord. I am Turbeaux #1952 .) | ![]() ![]() ![]() Forest Keeper Campaign Platform ![]() Verdant Haven Greetings! I am Verdant Haven – candidate for the position of Forest Keeper. While the terms in office in our region are short, at 6 months each, I believe that is more than enough time for lasting positive changes to be put in to play, and for all of us to move forward together with the wonderful region that is Forest. My platform is straightforward, and can be summarized as follows: Open, Efficient, and Community-Driven. 1) First and foremost, I believe we should not only maintain, but expand our environmental action program. Forest is a region dedicated to principals of environmentalism and awareness. I propose the creation of a regional officer, The Conscience of Forest, who will be dedicated to maintaining and promoting this program, not just within forest, but with our embassy allies.
Those are my positions, but what about me? I have been involved in NationStates for more than a decade on and off, getting my start in the "UN" days prior to 2008. Having played half a dozen nations seriously, Verdant Haven was initially created in early 2013 and played experimentally for a time, before I revived it last year as my new "main." I have extensive experience in facilitating the operation of internet and game-based communities, with this year being the 20th anniversary of my first online gaming leadership position. That experience has included running guilds in online games and serving as an officer in others, being a server owner and operator for multiple games in a long-standing gaming community with which I have been involved for more than a decade, and even working as an in-game event organizer and runner on behalf of a company for a major MMO. Away from the computer, I am a civil servant, with nearing a dozen years of work for the US federal government under my belt, running operations, managing records, supervising staff, and successfully navigating the bureaucracy that is inherent to any government, real or fictional. In my present work, I serve in an agency where we make it a point to scientifically address environmental issues and present them to the public. I believe these experiences, and this platform, make me a strong candidate for Forest Keeper, and I humbly request the honor of your consideration when it comes time to vote. My telegram box is always open – please feel free to reach out with any thoughts or questions you may have. ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ![]() ![]() Forest Keeper Second Term Campaign Platform ![]() Verdant Haven Greetings, Foresters! For those who do not know me, I am Verdant Haven. I have had the honor of serving as Forest Keeper during the past 6-month term, and I humbly submit myself for consideration for a second term. The coming term will likely be foreshortened due to our constitutionally mandated election dates, and the delay in bringing about the present election, but I believe that even this shorter term until September is sufficient to make additional positive changes for our region, and to solidify some of our successful programs already in existence. I am proud to maintain a straightforward platform that is dedicated to our constitutional principles of Open, Verdant, and Democratic governance. The world outside is presently in great turmoil. Illness, political wrangling, self-sacrifice, job loss, anxiety, frustration, fear, personal tragedy… these are things that many of us are experiencing at levels and for durations that any sane person would have hoped never to see. It would be understandable to ask why, at a time like this, do I care about a game? I care because I believe that holding on to normality is important. I believe that this is something we can control in a world full of uncontrollable things. Above all, I believe in Forest and its people. In the past months we have seen Foresters from all around the world coming forward and sharing their experiences, hopes, and fears at an unprecedented level, and supporting each other when it all feels like too much. The strength we offer each other is the strength to go in to each day knowing that others care, that we are not alone, and that though we are all practicing social distancing, there are those who are never distant in our hearts. With all of that said, please allow me to present my platform should I be elected to a second term as your Forest Keeper. 1) The thing that binds Forest together is our real-life belief in the importance of protecting the environment. During the past term, we had multiple programs that emphasized this, and I would like to see those continue. Most distinctive was our monthly Environmental Action Item to spark discussion and help spread information. I believe this was a huge success, and its continuation is of great import. We also had new updates to our Greenness Index and our List of Exceptionally Green Nations. I will see to it that our statistics department remains in operation, and hope to see these released as seasonal updates, as previously envisioned.
Those are my positions, but what about me? For those who didn’t catch my dispatch during the last campaign, here’s a bit about myself! I have been involved in NationStates for nearly a decade and a half on and off, getting my start in around 2005 or 2006. Having played half a dozen nations seriously, Verdant Haven was initially created in early 2013 and played experimentally for a time, before I revived it in 2018 as my new "main." My first government position with Forest was as Deputy Foreign Minister. I have extensive experience in facilitating the operation of internet and game-based communities, with this year being the 21st anniversary of my first online gaming leadership position. That experience has included running guilds in online games and serving as an officer in others, being a server owner and operator for multiple games in a long-standing gaming community with which I have been involved for more than a decade, and even working as an in-game event organizer and runner on behalf of a company for a major MMO. Away from the computer, I am a civil servant, with more than a dozen years of work for the US federal government under my belt, running operations, managing records, supervising staff, and successfully navigating the bureaucracy that is inherent to any government, real or fictional. In my present work, I serve in an agency where we make it a point to scientifically address environmental issues and present them to the public. I believe these experiences, and this platform, make me a strong candidate for Forest Keeper, and I humbly request the honor of your consideration when it comes time to vote. My telegram box is always open – please feel free to reach out with any thoughts or questions you may have. ![]() ![]() ![]() | I've had an absolute blast this past week. Pretending to be a fan of the undead, promising to solve all of the world's problems by killing everything and then raising them back from the dead, has been some of the most fun I've ever had on nationstates, period. But it comes from a less than humorous place- in fact every such post was tinged with a little bit of sadness, an ingredient every comedian knows is required to make the perfect joke. Errinundera is gone, and if the scant bits of evidence we have are of any veracity, quite likely for good. For reasons that can now only be speculated and debated on, he chose to maintain his nation for another several months until what was almost certainly a bot too failed. In the CTE, Forest was changed too, though we were already under ample warning. The stasis of game mechanics meant the last government had to remain in place, as a zombie, for months. The writing was on the wall. Yet, with that final confirmation, the region was left in a more vulnerable state than ever. The next administration will be a defining one for the region, and will set the precedent for all future governments. It should be obvious that I am running as a joke, but just in case I actually do win, I will unfortunately have to inform you that I will have to break my main promise. Game mechanics means I cannot actually raise the dead. Sorry, my bad. Or Max Barry's, your choice. But game mechanics means that we are now vulnerable to raiding, something I am unfortunately quite familiar with. In fact, almost 5 years ago now, I first joined Forest precisely because I thought it would be of interest to my raider region. It has since collapsed, I have disavowed raiding in disgust and have been fully committed to Forest- the last thing I want is to see our heritage destroyed by an outside threat. Thus, I would prioritise security in my administration. I would achieve it by the following: 1) Consolidate WA nations in the region. We are now one of the largest founderless regions in the site, with WA nations that have been in it for a decade. An outright toppling is very unlikely, and concentrating more influence will make us an even harder target. In addition, it stays in line with Forest's current stance of neutrality. 2) Discuss and potentially amend the constitution to introduce an endorsement cap. Obviously the delegate, Ruinenlust, will be exempt, however the most likely way we are to be 'raided' will be if tag raiders endorse another strong native, temporarily throwing Ruinenlust off his perch. A situation that would be disastrous if said native was actively working with the raiders, and the one way we could really be toppled. The exact number of endorsements allowed will be subject to public debate. 3) Promote good relations with defender regions. Forest is already a diplomatic powerhouse, with a much higher than average number of WA or SC resolution writers in our groves, but it doesn't hurt to exercise some of that soft power with our pre-existing defender embassies and other friends. This will not mean a formal treaty, unless circumstances change to demand it, but is more a gentle reminder to those who would stand with Forest to ensure they remember we exist. 4) Create 2 forest ranger positions. These officers would purely take the role of ejecting suspect or hostile nations (and, let's be real, irritating spammers in the RMB) at the request of the rest of the government. They will be given no other powers, and misuse of said powers (as judged by a public debate or administration investigation) is punishable by dismissal. The positions will hopefully proven entirely ceremonial, but could be invaluable if a large raid occurs while the delegate is not logged in. The second threat that attends founderless regions tends to be the difficulty in attracting new nations, thus slowly over time seeing the region shrink. 1) Create multiple cartographers. Regional maps are a valuable RP tool for a region, and thus a great asset in attracting new people. However, too often, the cartographer position has either stood vacant or not been active. Thus, 2 or 3 map makers will be promoted to ensure something gets done, and the map gets updated. 2) Continue to enforce excellence in the RMB. Our RMB is one of the strongest assets of the region, filled much more than usual with insight, discussion and wisdom that is enviable- and very attractive for the kinds of people we will want to bring into the fold. I will keep this up, and encourage members to contribute to the chatter. 3) Just overall look into and implement the policy suggestions of the Middle Barael. What can I say, they were good ideas. With these 2 big priorities under control, the region will be in a very strong position to advance forwards and continue to thrive. Then, as with Maslow's pyramid, we can turn our attention towards other issues. 1) Introduce a 'sustained campaign'. The sustained campaign will be concerted a 2-6 month long to encourage members to either actively promote or be more mindful of environmental issues. Forest members participating in the sustained campaign could be doing anything from reducing their personal plastic waste (as an example of a cause that could be championed) to posting their views on NSG- as long as there is a small contribution towards trying to make things slightly better. 2) Launch a new flag contest. OK, this would likely actually be one of the first things we do, but we are now in a new era. And a new era demands a new flag. Luckily, Forest is a region blessed with many talented artists, so why not give them a chance to make a defining new symbol for our new founderless future? And, last but not least: have fun! All policy areas not listed would be little or unchanged in a hypothetical Chan Island administration. Which should never come to pass. But hey, stranger things have happened. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
~ Jutsa for 11th Forest Keeper 2021 ~ A platform of Environmental Conquest Greetings, my humble allies. The Grand Council of Jutsa (hereon referred to as "I" as well as "It") has announced its running for Forest Keeper in 2021, and it plans to bring with it some significant changes. It sees a wonderful region, but it also sees a disturbing cognitive dissonance lying within its member states. A lie we all live with. It's time to make things right, and bring the idea of Ecological CONQUEST back into the region of Forest through a series of superiorly detailed and definitely not overcomplicated plans. Environment: Same schtick as earlier this year yadda yadda yadda lets got on with the interesting stuff. Actually most of my campaign is going to have to relate to this because this campaign is technically for all of 2021 because I didn't piece together that there were two election seasons a year at the time, so I guess I'm stuck with two campaigns now. World Assembly and Gameplay Policy: I promised last campaign that if I won this time, I would create a new form of military gameplay that would wreak havoc on the World Assembly. I'm talking about an Anti-Establishmantarianism approach. We shall liberate and defend environmentally purified regions, but cause destruction and mayhem everywhere else. We shall also quorum raid extensively. Forest represents the peak of democracy, and quorum raiding is undemocratic, so to make sure we put stricter protections in place, we shall quorum raid non-stop until the moderators give in and make quorum raiding substantially more difficult. There will be no laughter, lots of crying, and an excruciating amount of pain and tree planting. #savethetrees Also our organization could be have a cool name like Military Action Reserve Services Hyperregional (and Allies), i.e. MARSH(+all) Environmental Conquest of the Map: One of my primary functions as Forest Keeper is to single-handedly quadruple the size of the existing Forest map, and have no less than one hundred variations of it made. In addition, I will painstakingly evict every last nation from the map so as to make it entirely Uncharted Wilderness. This is to ensure that no civilization can exist on the planet ever, and will ultimately lead Forest to achieve perfection. The map will become the forest. Forest will become the map. Everything and nothing but the map at the same time will be classified as the map. I will also evict every nation out of the Forest and have Ruinenlust password-protect it to preserve the region's forests along with the beautiful map. As such, quorum raiding will have to be more of a symbolic, regionless type of thing with no home world. Otherwise: Jelly Beans: | ~ Jutsa for 12th Forest Keeper 2022 ~ A platform of Floral Supremacy [/hr] When I win - and I will - you will all be replaced with trees. Trees are an important part of most of our lives. They bare fruit, raise children, and supply us the oxygen for which fuels our planet's oceans and much-needed forest fires. Many of us take these properties for granted, and instead build on them using the corpses of those we've mercilessly evicted from their properties through "de facto eminent domain". As Forest Keeper, it is my sole duty to keep the forests kept. That means that all forms of garbage, including those of condominiums, golf courses, litter, and oil spills, will be destroyed and converted into compost fertilizer. What about the residents who live inside these junk heaps? Who cares? For every hunk of garbage used to house just one of these pests, you could supply dozens of unsuccessful species, including nematodes, worms, spiders, and other things. Honestly, what we have now just sort-of sprung out of nowhere and are kind of like weeds. But what about insurance? Surely, if everyone knows their houses will be burned down, the insurance companies will go bankrupt? Yes. Yes, that's the plan. That's actually the entire purpose of this endeavor. ]Anyhow, moving on:[/size] Environment: Carbon dioxide emmissions will become my number one priority, as removing all residents to make way for new ecological niches will inevitably cause significant reduction of CO2 gasses. This is dangerous, because it means trees will soon run out of air needed to survive. And we'll end up in a global ice age. Fortunately, the amount of excess oxygen created by the new overabundance of much-needed trees will create regular forest fires, thus allowing us to replenish the balance of nature. But to help this process along, I will be supplying every national leader with a Jutsaish flame thrower or blow torch of their choosing, free of cost up to the first ten dollars of your third purchase. Military: Recent developments in the Tree Warfare Technology Industry has revealed that it may be possible to use naturally deceased trees as cannons. Combined with our explosive fertalizer (created to help replenish forests at an absurdly unreasonable rate), we should be able to lodge pinecones down the throats of invasive species, such as humans, tumbleweeds, and Maxtopian wood-eating spikeballs. These pinecones will then be able to grow absurdly rapidly inside the species' stomachs, instantly turning them into adult trees. With just a few investments from our loyal voters and patrons, we will soon be able to mass-produce this miracle drug weapon using our proven environmentally safe technology located deep underground and far away from any habitats of importance. We also will have mushroom grenades. Definitely not lying when I say this. They will unleash innumerable sums of spores, which will make individuals' noses itch, as well as psychologically alter them into believing they are mushrooms. They may also become intoxicated, seeing psychedelic hallucinations and being rendered immobile and thus unable to wreak havoc on the environment. Plus it's fun. Lastly, we have intel from Chan Island that [REDACTED] Golf: Golf is banned. It is slightly less banned, however, to play Sand Golf. Mini-Golf is permitted if it uses strictly natural, i.e. non-manipulated, elements. This may include: Fruits for balls, tree roots and stumps for obstacles and ramps, rogue squirrels running across the ground (hitting one with a golf ball or club will result in heavy fines), mole holes for winning, and hazards such as rogue rain puddles, venus fly traps, angry mother bears, and piles of dear droppings. Micro-Golf is not permitted due to the potential choking hazard it'd cause to both human infants and armadillos. Nano-Golf will be permitted if it's carbon neutral. Larger sizes of golf will be punishable by death. Government Policy: It will be my sworn duty to police the government. That includes decking out all members with mules, who will be their superiors, and giving them easily biodegradable truncheons. They are to be handled with great care as they are fragile and tend to break easily. I trust no one else with these batons. I will also ensure that all non-government officials will be policed as well, because I firmly believe that ALL of Forest is the government, and therefor must be policed oppressively. To ensure this, I will be enforcing strong incentives, i.e. "mandatory donations", to contribute to our environmental fund. 80% of this will go towards making sure that governments are in fact following my every last command, 15% of this will be supplied to top executives to ensure the best quality policing, 4% will be used for creating incentives for private donations such as junk mail, and up to 1% may potentially be used to build up smaller cities so they have enough population density to sustain environmentally friendly transit vehicles. There will be no mercy.[/i This: [i]This message was sponsored by the Bureaudirectic Union of Jutsa and its business associates and loyal Forest patrons. |
![]() Heyyo, fellow Forestians! GENERAL DIRECTION I see my term to be focused on internal development of Forest and the community. As the overall involvement and activity is classically low, I don't really think we should do our best to revive the pandemic-high level of posting, or to switch to casual small talk chat on the RMB. Instead of quantity we should lean to the Forestian style, or to quality in other words. What exactly I'd suggest in terms of internal direction and safe community involvement you can find out below: some excitement out there but first, let's highlight some formalities. GOVERNMENT TEAM Nothing groundbreaking here: in the perfect team I'd love to see:
Some additional tweaks possible, but in a transparent way. If elected, I'd name my team The Council of Forest. WORLD ASSEMBLY AND INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS World Assembly matters, questions, issues, and scandals are the jurisdiction of the WA Delegate of Forest and I do not have any interest in joining this direction at all. In case if elected, I won't post my opinions on the discussions regarding WA or join any side in case of division or arguments. As for international activity, I'd like to stick to what we have now and how it's been going in the previous term. Embassy openings and closures are subject to the constitutional right of the community to start any of this process and the new term will have a couple of matters to solve, and all new requests and negotiations should be held by the Minister of Foreign Affairs and then presented to the community on the regional message board. ROLEPLAY (!) This is an optional part of my campaign which would depend on resources and aspiration, I find roleplaying fun and interesting but difficult to manage unless there is a good neat way of coordination found. Being still a fan of the Union of Forest project and feeling sad about it not developing for several terms so far, I'd like to work in this direction, however, not into continuation of the UoF. There should be a new project of the same attitude yet with different structure and management, a simplified version of all of our nations to be able to join and participate. This would include necessity of interlore integration and eventually lead to Sci-Fi or phantasy-like roleplay union, a council maybe or so. Anyway, this is a question of involvement and interest by the community members and there are some drafts and ideas I have in my head to work on, once elected. THE GRAND JOURNEY: A FOREST SAGA This is my biggest excitement about campaigning! Since last time I came second, and despite being still in the government, I keep this gem for the case of my victory. One of the things I love about NationStates and its players is the lore. People put so much effort into lorebuilding, use creativity and rich imagination, create real and phantasy worlds that can live and develop, grow and expand. This should be noticed and commended. The most important part of my term would be story-like support for the Forestian lore: a new saga which is written as we go. A story about mysterious traveller crossing the continent and nations, meeting new worlds and new species, new kings and presidents, free and oppressed lands. I plan to post new chapters either once or twice per month with new additions and plot development. The interactive feature of the story is polls! Forestians themselves will be able to pick one of several options where the story will go next, it's for the community to decide how the Forestian saga develops and to design the very adventure of the mysterious traveller. In the best scenario I imagine in my head I'll also involve some digital arts to display the sceneries and creatures (if applicable, yes, Jutsa) of such diverse nations of our region. Honestly I am quite inspired about this idea and would love to explore the lore more, yet it is quite necessary for me to be elected to keep the spirit of this inspiration. Anyway, here you can find some teaser work-in-progress drafts: SO! This is my base game election campaign for regional maintenance as the new Guardian of the Woods. This is a FK term that covers summertime and I'd like to lead Forest the warm and cozy way, to secure this comfortable feeling as a nice addition to our presence online. I don't want to annoy everybody with extreme activity and demands to be here all the time, rather to offer my regionmates a nice place to pop in when they feel right and to enjoy every time they decide to do so. I'd like to wish good luck to my opponents in the race, they all are strong and powerful competitors and I won't be sad or claim unfairness if any of them wins because I do sincerely believe each and every of the runners fits to the position and can contribute to the community and game experience for all of us. CAMPAIGN UPDATE: Q&A What are your plans surrounding n-day and z-day? Or any other hypothetical large group April fool's event? How long have you been playing Nationstates? Do you have any previous experience in holding a government position in this, or another region? If so, can you give examples of some major feats that you have accomplished and what are you most proud of? What is the most important thing that you wish to change in Forest? What is the most important thing that you would like to keep? What modivated/inspired you to become a candidate for the Forest Keeper elections? What is your opinion on roleplay? Should we encourage it? Where should roleplays be done (i.e. in the RMB board, in Discord, etc.)? What is your opinion about World Assembly? Is it really useful? What is your opinion about posts from other regions that are posted in our RMB board? What is your opinion on the quality of posts in general? Has the quality fell? And what kind of posts are better in the RMB board? Long or short posts? In your response you stated that Forest's RMB should become quality over quantity. Can you define what you mean by quality? Would you add it as part of a set of guidelines or would you give new members some pointers/advice. If for example, Forest came across a spammer or someone who said some not good stuff, what would you do? Would you immediately ban them, kick them, or discuss with other members of the government? How do you/would you handle situations where a user's behavior or language is not explicitly prohibited by the community guidelines, but still causes discomfort or disruption? Can you describe a situation where a new member did not adjust well to Forest's customs and culture? How was it/would it be addressed?
The Campaign dispatch will be edited, updated, and modified during the entire campaign week in order to align with new ideas and/or debate results and public engagement on the RMB or Discord.
| ![]() Garbelia for Forest Keeper - September 2024 . . . Hello Forestians! I'm Garbelia, and I would like to present my campaign for this upcoming Winter term. For anyone who hasn't seen me around, I've been a part of Forest since early 2021, and fairly consistently involved in the government for a while, including running the Greenness Index and List of Exceptionally Green Nations since October of that year and one previous term as Forest Keeper in the 2022/23 Winter Term. The principles behind my campaign for this year are around maintaining Forestian RMB culture, some administrative organisation and keeping a low barrier to entry in the government.
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![]() It is a privilege and an honor for me to be running to be the Forest Keeper of the eighteenth administration of Forest. I've been playing NationStates for a few years now, and started Bisofeyr about a year and a half ago. I joined Forest very quickly, largely by chance as I had heard good things about it floating around, and I am very happy I did. Now, I run for Forest Keeper to continue my journey in this region and community I have grown to love. I believe Forest is the best region on the site. I have dabbled in other regions and have had the immense privilege to get to know and work with people from other prominent on-site communities. I think that Forest does it better than everyone else, for a few reasons. I think, to understand my love for the region, you must understand my love for this game itself. NationStates is a microcosm of the real world, where individuals have a chance to have well-reasoned discussions on a variety of topics, and work to develop their own instincts. Some people do this by writing issues or resolutions, some do it through roleplay, and some do it by delving into the General subforum. Regardless of how people seek to engage with the site, it is very unique in the perspectives that it allows people to take. Forest has the same feature, but to a more personal level. We have fostered a community that has attracted the crème de la crème of NationStates players, in nearly every category. We frequently have high-level discussions on policy or current events, but we don't let those mature discussions take away from the fun that comes from cultural activities. We talk about on-site happenings, work towards common goals, and we relish in disagreement instead of running from it. This is what makes Forest unique, and it is something that cannot be understated. I am so proud to be able to call myself a Forestian, and would not trade it for just about anything. I would love to say that I have some grand vision that will change the future of Forest forever, but that would be a lie. I think this community is pretty damn good, just the way that it is. What I do wish to bring is a continuation of current events, with some slight administrative/legislative tweaks that will modernize the region, especially alongside site changes. I hope that I can win your vote for the position, and encourage you to read my platform below. Thank you so much, and I look forward to this election. Platform points: One of the hallmarks of a Bisofeyr administration will be a steady stream of common-sense Constitutional Amendments being brought forth for community discussion. Right now, the document is largely okay, but full of some controversial points and minor inconsistencies. I have brought several potential amendments up for discussion in the past, especially regarding the codification of a treaty ratification process, but they have stalled; this is something I regret not pushing harder during the last administration as a private citizen, but it is something I look forward to working on over the next six months regardless of this election's outcome. A brief overview of some of the things I am looking at are as follows:
It is no secret that we have a bit of a crisis on our hands with regards to capacity for foreign affairs: the regional ambassador program is incredibly understaffed, and while our current/previous administrator(s) are more than competent at the job, something has to be done to help with an overextended Foreign Affairs department. There are a few common-sense solutions to this, such as engaging in a recruitment drive for the program, but to be frank, I'm inclined to take a "Forest-first" approach regardless. What this means is that we should take a critical view of all of our embassies and decide which ones we wish to continue to meaningfully engage with. This does not mean that we necessarily have to close embassies that are no longer active or we do not talk with often, but rather allows us to engage internally, within our own community, and using our excess energy to engage with other regions that have showed a continued interest in us (Ridgefield and The Region That Has No Big Banks come to mind immediately). I have certainly erred on this front in the past, preemptively moving to close an embassy without discussing it with all the relevant stakeholders beforehand. This mistake allowed me to grow, and have inward reflection on what exactly I think we should be getting out of embassies and other interregional relations. I think that we should take a critical eye towards the regions that we associate ourselves with, but that necessarily comes with talking it out with our embassy partners and within our own community before taking any action. As Forest Keeper, I would regularly reevaluate our embassy and treaty obligations, and work within the government and within the community to ascertain if and when a good time to close an embassy would be. There is also the possibility of newly-proposed embassies or treaties during my time as Forest Keeper, and I'd like to comment on my approach to these. In the event that a Constitutionally-qualified region requests to open an embassy, I would do my Constitutionally-mandated duty to bring it before the region; I would also give counsel to the requesting entity, telling them how they should interact with the region in order to make a good impression. I would publish all communication between me and the requesting entity as soon as practicable. If an entity proposes a treaty and me and my Foreign Affairs official believe it reasonable, we will bring it to the region in two rounds: firstly, as a broad idea to get the general thoughts of the region, without an official vote. From there, if there is considerable interest, I will assembly a committee of several government and non-government citizens to hash out the details with the other side, from which we will bring the proposed treaty back to the region for a commentary period, and then iterate upon it if necessary, before finally bringing it to a vote. I feel this is the most equitable way to ensure the community gives their input during the treaty process. I think that the current cultural achievements of the region are phenomenal, and there is little I would change. I would empower the current cultural team to continue what they do, and give my own guidance. There are three things I seek to add:
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. . . ![]() Forest Interviews in the Trees! . . . Well, here we go! This is the first of (hopefully) many interviews I'll conduct with members from across our spectacular Forest... This is the first time I've ever done one of these so hopefully they only improve as we go along : ) Today, I had a chat with our one and only governor, Ruinenlust! We covered plenty of things stretching across real life and NationStates... It was great fun to learn more about Ru and hopefully you all discover something new! Enjoy! - Hello Ruinenlust! How are things going? Thanks so much for agreeing to be our first interviewee despite your busy schedule : ) If you don't mind, tell us a bit about yourself? - Hello Realize! I'm doing great, thanks! Quite busy today but no different from usual. Anyways, a bit about myself... I am very boring, in my own way. I have a quiet life. To me, life is so much more about removing the negatives rather than adding the positives. The presence of positives is less important than the absence of negatives for a life of sustainable happiness and fulfilment, and it’s in the quiet and the trivialities of daily life that we rise or fall. That’s why good routines are important, along with not biting off more than you can chew. I guess if I had to have a “fun fact” or something like that, it’s that my day job is being a Classics teacher. Veni, vidi, docui! I came, I saw, I taught! - Wow! A classics teacher! What drew you into teaching classics? - I always liked school, and I was always drawn to teaching. Classics was just the final thing that I really encountered before I went into the field, and so that was what I carried forward. I love Classics because it is a relatively static field, so you keep teaching the same fundamental “truths” in a way that promotes critical and logical thinking. In a way, it’s the closest you can get to a type of religious or philosophical outlook in a way which simply “is.” Long after humanity has gone into oblivion, these “dead” languages will still work the same way, even when nobody is left to know about them. There’s a beauty in that, and also a touch of nostalgia and bittersweetness, I might add. - Yeah, I totally get that... I very much enjoyed learning Latin and I still do enjoy studying Ancient Greek. Perhaps you haven't thought of it much but if you weren't a teacher what would you be? - I don’t know. Trying to explain things and learning is such a part of who I am, and it’s difficult to see myself in another walk of life, frankly. I suppose something nature-oriented, but then again, there is something to be said for working in something you enjoy, but which is not quite your passion. That way, you enjoy your work, but your passions are free-ranging and indulged in for fun and self-actualization, so they are free from the potential downsides and tarnish that come with being part of “work.” Put another way, I’d rather teach in a warm, dry, clean classroom and be out in nature when it suits me, rather than have to be outside in all weather and then retreat inside to find rest. - Anyways... Moving onto NS now, what brought you to NS in the first place and, more importantly, what brought you to Forest? - I don’t clearly recall exactly how I came across NationStates, other than that it was essentially by chance. It was the summer of 2016 when I was home from university, and it was a leisurely day of just sitting online. The site seemed interesting, and so I made a country (i.e. Ruinenlust), and then within an hour or so of creating the nation, I stumbled on Forest and it seemed like a good fit, since I’m really into nature and the local woods where I lived at the time. And over eight years later, here I am, still! - Wow, eight years - you must really like it here! What's the story (if there is one) behind the name Ruinenlust? - Indeed, Forest is the best! I would have long-since given up NationStates had I not come to Forest. Forest and NationStates are inseparable for me. That was back in the days when those lifestyle-themed websites like Buzzfeed had fluffy articles along the lines of “Ten Unusual Emotions Other Languages Have Words For” and things like that, and one of them included the term “ruinenlust,” which is a German term (if I recall correctly) for a fascination or emotional draw towards abandoned places and ruins. That also resonated with me on a personal level, since I grew up in a post-industrial region which had many remnants of infrastructure and industry from the first half of the 1900s. So it’s this interesting mix of nature, pre-war towns, artifacts from the past, and the attempts to move on, and I find that combination comforting and familiar. I went with that name for my country because I picture it as an exaggerated version of such a region, wherein a formerly-massive civilization peacefully died out, leaving behind its physical presence for a much smaller, more nature-friendly society to live with, centuries later. - Wow, that's certainly an amazing story to your name, a lot better than my reasoning of "it sounded good", hehe... You briefly touched on it there but do you have any lore surrounding Ruinenlust or, indeed, any of your other nations? An eco-fosused anarchy nation is quite an interesting concept... : ) - Hey, “it sounded good” is totally valid! I confess that despite the years, my lore is not nearly as developed as I’d like it to be. My idea is mostly along the lines of Ruinenlust being a large island country (like the British isles all pushed together into one landmass, perhaps) which is temperate in climate and which has a mixture of post-glacial landscapes in some places and rolling hills and plains in others. As for the people, they would be the new society which developed centuries after the collapse of a huge, world-power civilization which had greatly altered its landscape. The current people live in a resurgent natural world, inhabiting only the best areas for human habitation, with large swaths of the country left to its own devices. Hence my pretitle of “rewilding” for the country. Culturally, I think of Ruinenlust as a calm place, progressive by the standards of our own world, but “conservative” in the sense that things tend to change slowly and organically. Politics are won or lost over seemingly-minute differences, with a general consensus about the large outlines of society and a tendency towards convergence in the middle. - Wow! That is a very interesting nation! It sounds like somewhere I would like to live for the most part, which is more than can be said for my own nation of absolute lawlessness, hehe... Would you like to live in your own nation? - All things considered, yes. I have found that it’s hard for me to construct a negative version of something. It’s fun to imagine a hellscape of one kind or another, but it’s ultimately not something fulfilling to me. So Ruinenlust has received more than eight years’ of good vibes and good intentions from me. In that sense, I’d like to think that most people would be happy to live in Ruinenlust, if it were real. - Going back to Forest... We all know you as our benevolent supreme overlord but is there any other area of NS you've delved into or would like to get into? - I have had a few puppets through the years, but none of them have lasted. It’s difficult for me to maintain interest in other nations and keep track of them. At the moment, I have ProForestation which is basically just to have a WA nation to support Verdant Haven, and I also made A Storm in a Teacup because I find that to be a cool expression (and the flag is a cute AI-generated image, to me), but I don’t especially see a long-term future for it. I haven’t really ever gotten into anything aside from maintaining Ruinenlust, long term. I guess the closest was when I had to become involved in the World Assembly as part of being the Delegate. However, truth be told, I grew tired of the WA and found it to have little meaning in the context for why I was part of Forest/NationStates. It was a tremendous relief to be done with the WA once the governorship update went through, and I haven’t looked back. Part of the reason for my singular focus on Ruinenlust is strategic; I have too much going on in real life to give any meaningful amount of time to anything else. The current extent of my involvement suits my ability to be meaningfully present. - Yeah, the WA can be quite... shall we say, draining, hehe... I just like the extra badge for more points when card seasons come about. Speaking of cards, have you ever delved into that world? - Hardly. I have accumulated some cards of my own, which seems kind of silly, frankly. I had one epic or legendary card or whatever which I sold for a pile of money years ago inadvertently, and that has bankrolled the effort to buy my own cards. The whole thing is kind of beyond me, though. - Yeah, I get what you mean; cards is one of those things where it's really hard to get started but once you do it's quite satisfying. You mentioned it briefly in your previous answer but before you became governor, what were you up to in Forest? Do you prefer being governor or did you quite enjoy your previous roles? - Initially, I was just a random citizen, of course. I really started “at the bottom,” so to speak. Not that Forest is hierarchical or stratified in that way, of course, but in the sense that I did not arrive with any reputation, previous experience, or social clout from other regions or anything like that. I recall volunteering as Foreign Minister at some point (way back, maybe in the 5th or 6th Administration?), and I sort of just kept doing that until Verdant Haven became the Forest Keeper. It was during his second term, in the summer of 2020, that Ransium stepped down from the Delegacy after 13 years in the job, and it sort of went to me by default, I guess, simply because I was a known quantity by that point and had the second-highest endorsement count, so it was the easiest course of action after such a big change. That continued until spring of 2023 when the governorship dynamic was rolled out, and the region seemed to want me to shift into that role. So since May 2023, I’ve been the Governor. If I may say so, I enjoy being the Governor the most. As Foreign Minister, I enjoyed being able to have opinions and to argue for things, but I felt like neutrality was required in terms of foreign affairs. Then as Delegate, I sort of had to deal with the World Assembly and I absolutely had to be mindful of the endorsement count. Being the Delegate was the worst, because I was always nervous that we’d be invaded and that I was charged with a job that I couldn’t ultimately do. How could I prevent an invasion? Not possible. - Interesting, I definitely see where you're coming from there. You've had some of the most challenging positions, particularly as delegate... I guess when the governor update got rolled out you must have been able to sleep better! I think I speak for most (if not all) people when I say that you're doing a great job as governor and we're more than happy to have you as governor for as long as want to be : ) Looking towards the future now... Where do you see yourself and, indeed, Forest in the years to come? - Oh, certainly! I didn’t realize what a relief it was until I no longer had to worry that I’d log in, only to find that the region was overrun and that I had no authority anymore. We are now bulletproof, after all. And that’s nice. I hope people are okay with the job I’ve done so far as Governor. I see myself as someone who is supposed to be as in-the-background as it is practical to be so. I want the citizens and the government to be the head, heart, muscles, and body of the region. I try to be unobtrusive and to be involved in a light way, normally. In that vein, I don’t have much of an articulated “vision” for Forest. It will be what the people make it into, and as long as I’m wanted to fill the role of Governor, I’m happy to do so. I don’t plan on going anywhere, and I also don’t have any grand designs for the region. The overall direction and future of the region is not for me to decide or even to play much of a role in shaping, in my view. I’m just here to guarantee that whatever we decide to do, we can do, and that we can be free from interference. - Now, if I may, I'd like to speak about some allegations surrounding the fact that many government ministers are your puppets. Do you have any comments? - I mean, my rise to power did coincide with the advent of large language AI models which can emulate different writing styles. But no, that would not be necessary for a Deep State takeover. Well, don’t forget about the prophecy that the March 2025 election will be the last one [REDACTED] or a red panda. - Ah yes, Forest Project 2025! How could I forget! Any further comments on that? I mean, it really comes down to whether people want pancakes or waffles, but you knew that already. The one citizen who gets to vote in the maple syrup college will make the right choice. - Of course, such important information that needs to be relayed to the trees of the world... Watch out Forest! Going back (in the strangest segue known to Forestkind) to real life... Obviously the US election is just around the corner, what are your thoughts about it? (on the candidates, thoughts on outcomes, the system, fears?) - Well, in a nutshell, I was fully supportive of Biden over Trump, but that was mostly about opposing Trump. With Harris, I see a much more positively in the decision, and an aspect of actively wanting Harris to win, as opposed to simply wanting Trump to lose. Harris is basically “Generic Democrat” at this point. I don’t think she’s as progressive as she appeared to be back in 2019/2020, because she cratered badly and didn’t really even make it to the primaries. That wasn’t her. She’s ultimately much more of an establishment type, but a 2020s establishment type, not something from 1995 or whenever. I think she’ll be a very competent and safe pair of hands at the helm, and I desperately want her to succeed. Trump is just…well, there’s no need to darken this conversation unnecessarily. Let’s just say that he’s got no redeeming qualities in my view, and he’s much worse now in many ways than he was in 2016 or 2020, not least of all because of his rapid mental decompensation. In terms of outcomes, I think it’s far too early to tell. On one hand, the polls are better for Trump now than they were in either 2016 or 2020. On the other hand, the polls underestimated Trump twice in a row, and there’s good reason to think that they overcompensated for that. Also, I think that Harris’s impact is not yet known, because she’s activated parts of the electorate which were not part of the Clinton or Biden coalition. It’s significant, to take one data point, that she had more unique contributors to her campaign in the first nine days of her candidacy this summer than Biden had in his entire 2024 re-election campaign. That’s not nothing, and it might count for a great deal in the end. My fears are not so much around potential stolen elections (in short, the time for that is via voter suppression before the ballots are cast, not once the voting is over), but around the larger problem of having one political party which simply cannot get control of the government in its current form without causing significant damage to the standing of the country in the world. The basic problem is that the current iteration of the Republican Party needs to die off and be replaced with something which is not so nihilistic and prone to conspiratorial thinking and extremism. We can’t survive in a place where which party controls the government is the difference between business as usual and active train wrecks, and yet that’s where we are in the age of Trump. Hopefully the remainder of the 2020s can be the nadir of Trumpism and its gradual exorcism from the Republican Party via resounding losses and being shut out of power. - I agree, there are a lot of unknowns... Also, my biggest concern is that Trump won't accept losing, just like in 2020, but will escalate things way further than before - possibly leading to a lot of violence... The whole is watching, we'll just have to wait to see what happens. Sticking with politics - What's your thoughts on support for parties/candidates outside of the big two in the US (i.e. do you like a system like the UK has?) - For American politics, supporting any group other than the Democratic or Republican Parties is a waste of your time and energy, full stop. Lots of young people don’t want to hear that, but the reality is that if you have any preference at all for which party is worse, you can only hope to counteract that by actively supporting the other major party. We essentially don’t have any voting systems other than first past the post, and so whichever group gets the largest number of votes in a given district or state wins, period. You might be able to claim some moral high ground by, for instance, refusing to support the Democrats because they’re simply “less bad” than the Republicans on some issue, but by doing so, you’re functionally saying you don’t really care what the outcome is, because you’re going to cast or withhold your vote in such a way that you don’t have any impact on the two-way contest which will determine the outcome. That’s frustrating to come to terms with, I’ll admit, but it’s also the way that the game is played. To take just one issue, look at transgender rights. If you have problems with the Democratic Party’s lack of full-throated support for transgender people, and so you “teach them a lesson” by voting third party or staying home, you’re implicitly saying that you’re also okay with the Republican Party’s treatment of transgender people, which…leaves a lot to be desired, to say the least. And like it or not, you’re saying that you’re okay with that, because you’d rather self-righteously wash your hands of the situation rather than aim to minimize the damage even if it means “getting in bed with” a group you still don’t think is doing that good of a job. To say it another way, the only circumstance under which you should support a third party in the United States or not vote at all is if you truly don’t see any differences at all, whatsoever, between the Democrats and Republicans. And if that’s the case, I’d argue that you’re not really paying attention or thinking clearly. There was a time, decades ago, when the relative differences between the two parties were more minor, but that’s long, long gone. As for the UK’s system, there are certainly merits to that, not least of which is that the party in power gets a majority and can simply run things. Presidential systems lack that cohesion at times. In our case, we may end up with a Democratic president and House of Representatives, but a Republican Senate, and so nothing will get done for two years. Whereas whichever party in the UK gets a majority in the House of Commons also has the Prime Minister, and so the “Legislative” and “Executive” aspects of the government are almost necessarily on the same page, by design. Interestingly, third and fourth parties are much more viable in the UK, perhaps because of that system, as well as because of much less calcification of politics. On the other hand, there are downsides to the UK’s system, such as how the Liberal Democrats and Reform both got the same share of votes, but wildly different numbers of MPs, or how Labour got a massive majority on the backs of fewer votes than they lost by in the previous election with Corbyn. I’m not saying that either of those things is right or wrong, but merely that the UK’s system can also produce idiosyncratic results. In the end, it’s probably best to have an Executivenessnessness who simply impersonates everyone else in the government and secretly controls everything, you know? At least, that’s how it seems to me : ). - Good idea! Let's put you as a supreme dictator of all of America - what could go wrong!? Anyways, before we wrap things up, is there anything else you'd like to say/add? - I’d just like to say that I’m very happy to be here, and that the community we have in Forest is something which was special enough to keep me around for many years now, and with many years to come. That’s not an easy feat for the Internet, and it’s entirely due to the quality and character of the people we have here. I’m very lucky to have found this little corner of the online world, and I hope that other people get the same level of camaraderie and joy from being in Forest as I do. Thank you so much for your time, ru : ) Absolutely! I’m happy to talk again anytime : ) Have a great day everyone... : ) | . . . ![]() Forest Interviews in the Trees! . . . Today, I had a chat with our brilliant Deputy Forest Keeper, Anxious And Kevin! We've covered everything from EDM to elections past, present and future so I'm sure you'll learn something new! Hope you enjoy reading! - Hello A&K! How are you doing today? Thanks so much for agreeing to be our second interviewee! - Hi Realize! Thanks for agreeing to interview me, very excited for this. - No worries... How about we start nice and simple; Tell us a bit about yourself... - Ooh, where do I start? I might as well say what I do in real life, I'm currently in my second year of studying for a bachelor's degree in Politics & International Relations. I have a keen interest in foreign policy and Nordic culture, and outside of politics I'm a lifelong fan of Birmingham City, as well as the NFL's Arizona Cardinals and the NBA's Denver Nuggets. - Politics and International Relations sounds quite interesting... What led you to be interested in that? - I've always taken an interest in countries, whether it be flags, capitals, sports teams and the like. I've also always loved history, which would have been my second choice so far as picking a course goes, and Politics & International Relations (or InterPol as it's known at my university) allows me to combine my love of politics, history, and learning about other nations and cultures into one degree scheme - A perfect combo! Well, since we're on the topic of politics... How do you view both the recent UK elections and upcoming US elections? - As for the UK election, I'm quite happy with how it went. This one was especially exciting for me as it was the first I was able to vote in, and after living under Conservative rule for most of my life it was very refreshing to see someone else win, and the Tory downfall finally reach its conclusion. Labour aren't without their problems though, I personally voted Green as a protest vote in a safe Labour seat, but at least they aren't the Conservatives. As for the US election, I'm quite scared. Like other Forestians, I'm transfeminine, and the prospect of a Trump win petrifies me, what with the whole Project 2025 nonsense and all. I think Biden stepping aside (finally) may well have saved Democratic behinds, as I really don't see him beating Trump for a second time. Harris, like Starmer, isn't the best option, but she's perhaps the safest option, and Tim Walz sounds like a fantastic pick for Vice President. I can only hope that Americans pick right, as right now, it very much seems 50/50, although that could absolutely change by the time this goes live. (this interview was recorded in early October) - Yeah, I don't think any party in any country in the world are without problems - it's a matter of choosing between the lesser of the two (or more) evils usually... But anyways... Once you've finished your degree, what do you hope to go on to do? - My real ambition is to become a DJ and Producer. I'm very into EDM, and I'd love to be able to make music that I love and have that as my full-time career. An InterPol degree is a good degree from a good university that should get me into a decent paying job that I can use to start saving up for software and gear to make the music I want (it's not cheap!), and even if my music career doesn't take off, I should still be in a field where I can properly support myself and my family, while making music as a hobby. I did play guitar for a number of years, but I stopped playing as my family couldn't afford the lessons. I've never been in any bands - Sounds great! I love composing music as well (although playing is my favourite)... The most important thing is that you enjoy it though : ) Shame about the music lessons though, they can get quite expensive. Anyways, moving onto NS... What brought you to NS in the first place? - I first found out about NS a few years ago via Drew Durnil. It was like a fever dream for younger me; I'd always wanted to make my own country, and NS allowed me to do that. I had a couple short-lived nations that have now been lost to time, I was perhaps too young for NS at that point, but starting university allowed me more time to dedicate to NS, plus with being more mature, it seemed like the perfect opportunity to properly get a nation off the ground and keep it going for longer than a month. - Cool! Glad you stuck around... If I remember correctly you started off over in Europe... What brought you to there? How did you find it being in Europe? - I can't exactly remember how if I'm honest. Back when I started, my vision for A&K was quite different. I intended to be a parody nation full of extreme left-wing ideals, and I think I was looking for a vibrant and active community, which Europe is and was. It was good at first, but I soon grew tired of the spammy culture of the RMB, and the regional government's incompetence and ineffectiveness when it came to sorting out troublemakers. I had known about Forest via Einswenn's occasional presence on the RMB, and when being in Europe grew too much for me, I knew it was the perfect destination. I jumped ship not long before Z-Day, and I've never looked back. - Yeah, Europe's RMB is certainly very different to ours, hehe. What was the inspiration behind your name, it's quite an unusual one if you don't mind me saying : ) - When I came back onto NS after a year or two away, I didn't want to return to my old nations, and I had no idea what to name my new one. In lieu of a more serious or normal name, I decided to go for the silliest sounding one I could think of, which was Anxious & Kevin. It's certainly helped me to be more recognisable and stand out from the crowd, if anything. - hehe, it certainly is recognisable... We first saw you in government midway through last term as one of our brilliant arboretum managers, what led you to volunteer for it? What are your future plans for the arboretum? - I didn't actually volunteer, to be honest, I was instead invited by Zerphen to be part of it, as I had been quite active leading up to its creation, and as I believe it was a comment from me on the Discord server that played a part in it coming to be. I'd want to expand it gradually so it can truly be a comprehensive library of the history of Forest, as well as the place to go to access important regional documents. - Cool! Personally, I'm a massive fan of it. It's great to have everything so accessible all in one place You went up against Garbelia in the recent elections... Obviously you didn't end up winning but you're now our Deputy Forest Keeper - how are you finding it so far? What do you hope to accomplish over the next term? - It's only been a short time since I assumed the position of Deputy Forest Keeper, but I'm really enjoying it. Partially because I have access to the Forestian nuclear launch codes (aka the admin controls), but also because it allows me to make a real difference to the region. I hope to assist Garbelia with whatever they wish to accomplish this term, as well as pushing through with some parts of my own manifesto, although I'll be holding off on some parts so I can use them as ammunition for the next election in March. - Wow, thinking ahead already! So, March 2025 is your goal? What exactly are you looking to get done if you win then? - That would be telling, haha. I'd definitely look to get a monthly charity drive running, as well as updating the Constitution so it can properly serve the region like it should, as it's starting to become a bit dated. Ultimately, a lot depends on what happens this term as to how my manifesto shapes out in March. - Thought I might as well try : ) Speaking of March 2025, are you aware of the rumours about Forest Project 2025? Could you comment on that? - I am not aware of those rumours, no, so I can't comment on that. - Interesting... Anyways, moving on... Are there any other areas of NS you're interested in other than regional government? - I think my biggest interests involve expanding the lore of my nation, as well as foreign relations between Forest and other regions. - Ah yes, what is the lore surrounding your nation? - I'm a previously undiscovered nation lying on the Arctic Ocean, directly bordering Norway on a medium-large bit of land that had shockingly remained unknown, largely thanks to the efforts of the nation's citizens, as well as our Nordic brothers, who were the only ones who knew about us pre-2001, although Anxiousiin legend says it was the benelovent forest spirits who did all the work. - Interesting... Is A&K somewhere you would wish to live? Sounds pretty cold! - Absolutely! A&K is my idea of a frosty Nordic paradise. I'd love to live somewhere in Norway in the future, like Tromso or Bodo, so A&K is partially a manifestation of my wintry fantasies. We're the off-season home of Santa for a reason! - Hehe, I'd quite like to stay in the warm weather if you don't mind : ) Tromso sounds wonderful though You briefly touched on it earlier but, in terms of foreign relations, what drew you to the Augustin Alliance? - I was previously a resident of the Conch Kingdom under a former nation, so it made sense to wish to reconnect with my former home, given that I already knew my way around the place a bit. - Cool! What are your future plans for A&K for the future then? (both individually and in Forest and abroad) - I intend to stay in Forest for the long-term, it's the perfect home for me and I really don't see myself moving on unless something drastic happens. I'd love to become a bit of a legend or a respected elder around these parts. I'm not sure what I'd want to do outside of Forest, I'm pretty happy being the AA ambassador for the time being, and unless I'm no longer able to bear that responsibility, I'll probably stay on as dignitary for as long as possible. - Cool, we're more than happy to have you stay here for as long as you want! Would you like to say anything more before we finish? - Not really, except that I hope to serve the region well as Deputy Forest Keeper, and hopefully as Forest Keeper at some point in the near future. It's been brilliant being a part of Forest for the last year or so, and I hope to be here for many years to come! (I guess I did have something to say, haha!) - Thank you very much for your time : ) - Thanks for having me, love your work! Have a great day... : ) | . . . ![]() Forest Interviews in the Trees! . . . Today I had the pleasure of sitting down with our current Forest Keeper Garbelia for a special festive interview... We covered everything from Christmas Traditions to Statistics so I'm sure you'll learn something new about them. It was great to get their perspective on their illustrious career in Forest. I hope you enjoy reading and Merry Christmas all! - Hello Garbelia! Thank you so much for joining us for this special Christmas interview - how are things going? - Pretty well, enjoying having some time to relax and unwind at the end of a stressful year - maybe have some more to dedicate to NationStates-ing around - Yeah, I think it's been a busy year for many of us and this festive period comes as a much needed break... Usually I'd start off by asking you to tell us a bit about yourself but, since this is a special Christmas interview, what's your favourite thing about the festive season? - Probably a controversial one, but I like the shorter days around the solstice, just because of how cosy everything gets in the early dark - hopefully with a blanket and a hot drink. That's assuming I'm inside and warm though, so if I were to pick something without the conditions attached, I'd have to go with the food around this time of year. It all feels a lot heartier and suits the cold weather so nicely - Not controversial at all! Those nights are really nice... speaking of food, what does your typical Christmas lunch/dinner look like? Do you go for traditional stuff or is it a bit more left-field? - Fairly traditional - usually a fairly standard British roast with chicken (I don't eat pork, beef or turkey), and then your usual potatoes, Yorkshire Pudding, vegetables and cranberry sauce. No gravy though. I sometimes deviate from that a bit (mostly with a nut roast instead of chicken), but I don't see any reason to upset the classics. - Yeah, I agree, the classics are always the best in my humble opinion... are you doing anything special for Christmas this year? - Visiting family mostly, I don't have too much planned beyond that. We'll see how it goes. - Moving on slightly... With the new year round the corner, how do you look back on 2024 and what are your feelings about what 2025 might bring for you? - 2024 was certainly the latest in a series of... interesting years for the obvious global reasons, but I felt like it's been a fun year here on NS and in Forest. Feels like a long time ago now but we came into the year with the quieter latter half of Eins' term, then moved into Zerph's busier summer term. After the introduction of Strongholds and Frontiers it's been the first full year we've had free of any thread from raiders since Errinundera CTEd and barring a Ruinenlust coup or Forest Project 2025 we can keep the focus on more interesting things than regional security or the glut of embassy requests once the Frontiers hit 6 months old. I've had a lot of fun being involved in the various government projects this year and events in Forest and our embassies, especially founding the Forest Arboretum and what we've managed to get going this term so far, like these interviews. Looking forward to 2025, I can see myself stepping back a little bit as I lose a bit of the free time I currently have for NS, I've already said a few times I'm not planning to run in any more elections, but I want to make sure the rest of this term has everything I wanted to deliver from the start and then who knows what will happen beyond March. I usually don't think the new year is much more than a symbolic boundary, but it does offer a nice chance for reflection and some planning. - Cool, quickly before we move on - could you shed a light on the fabled Forest Project 2025 for us? - No comment. - One day I'll get somewhere with that question, hehe... Anyways... let's talk about NS... What brought you to this crazy political simulator? - Someone I know IRL started playing and mentioned it to me a few times. I decided to give it a go and once I got past the initial confusion of being founded on N-Day, settled into a regular habit of logging on to answer issues and so forth. I've always enjoyed a good webgame, especially ones on the older side, and once I found Forest that habit managed to really stick, and now I'm too far into all of this to turn back any time soon - Oof, being founded during N-Day must be one of the worst days to be founded... It's a world away from me being founded on Christmas day, hehe... I knew you were a Ruinenlust puppet You briefly touched on it there but how did you come across Forest? Were you in any other regions before? - Well I was obviously founded in a Pacific (no memory of which one), sat alone in a region I founded for a little while, and after that I joined our good embassy friends at The Leftist Assembly before jumping over to Forest. I honestly can't remember how I came across Forest but I assume it was something to do with the embassy, as it so often is. As for the Ruinenlustian puppet allegations, no comment again on that one. - At the end of the day, we're all puppets of Ruinenlust hehe... You first began in government as a statistician in Jutsa's 2nd term - how did you find it as your first government position? - I was woefully underqualified :p - You definitely got hooked on regional government, hehe... You became Forest Keeper the very next term - how did you find that? It's quite a step up? - It was certainly a very different role to move into so soon after first getting involved, and looking back I ran at just the right time to be able to get in. Jutsa was coming in off the back of 2 successive terms and a full year in charge, and they were the only other candidate who posed a serious platform. The term that followed was broadly unremarkable, but it got me acquainted with the higher levels of government for later terms in government, and although it definitely could have gone a lot better, it wasn't as disastrous as it perhaps could have been. Following that term, I returned to just doing the stats, before taking up a DFK post for two terms straight, which is perhaps the most deceptively simple job in the government, and I served it under 2 very different styles of Forest keeper in Einswenn and Zerphen. That first election win was a definitely a sudden step up which I largely think was down to running for election at just the right time though. - And how are you finding this term as FK so far? - I think it's largely going quite well, although there is an argument to be made that it's lost a bit of momentum in the last month or so, as winter terms usually do. After overpromising and underdelivering in my first term, I wanted to balance that a little more in the second term and so far we've got a couple of projects set up - these interviews, the Transparency Reports, the embassy closures and the Arboretum, but we're still only at the term's midpoint, and in the remaining few months there are already plans for quite a few things in motion, events in particular, and various other plans - the Arboretum Style Guide and discussing a few more regional admin changes most notably. Although it's good to come into office with a few ideas for the term, it often works better to remain open to changes throughout that term and adjust accordingly. I think that keeping a low barrier of entry to governance will always help a term keep moving - You're doing quite a good job so far and it seems like there's a lot to look forward to over the next couple of months 🙃 (if I actually have the time to do my job, hehe) I know you've mentioned you won't run for FK again but do you see yourself being in any other government positions next term or in future terms? - I definitely fancy staying as the statistician for a while - changes there are more trouble than there worth considering the dispatches currently take maybe 30 minutes to put together post twice a year. Apart from that I don't really know - something more specialised than the FK or DFK maybe but of course it's all up to the next Forest Keeper. - Just a whole lot of unknowns I guess : ) Moving on a bit... What's the story, if there is one, behind the name Garbelia? Is there any lore you've built around your nation? - I think I've shared this story before, but the root of it was a fantasy setting I had written a year or so prior to joining NS based on a "Larbel Island". I dropped the Island for -ia to make it sound more nation-y, but Larbelia was taken by some nation from earlier in 2020 who CTEd almost immediately. For whatever reason that L shifted to a G giving the world Garbelia. I do hold the nation Larbel Island right now, and Larbelia will be available in about 300 days so I plan to take it too when it comes up. Apart from "Otter Nation" and a poorly designed map, not really any lore, it's another thing I've wanted to expand on for ages. - Sounds like you have a fair bit you could expand on if/when you get the time : ) I'm afraid that's all we have time for... Thanks for giving your time : ) Have a great Christmas : ) - Thanks for interviewing me! I love an opportunity to ramble about Nationstates and Forest in particular. Have a great Christmas as well Have a great day all and enjoy the festive period... : ) | . |
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