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Rivienland

The niceties of normal moral constraints wrote:Run.

Rivienland will never forget.

They jump onto their Shetland pony, and ride away into the shadows of Forest.

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Teabags are also environmentally problematic. Though I can't be too preachy here - I don't turn cups of tea that are made with them.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind hearing why teabags are environmentally problematic. I'm unaware of any issues, and I often just use teabags when making tea.

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The niceties of normal moral constraints

Rivienland wrote:Rivienland will never forget.

[<salutes as agents attach electrified finger sandwiches>]

Rivienland wrote:

Honestly, I wouldn't mind hearing why teabags are environmentally problematic. I'm unaware of any issues, and I often just use teabags when making tea.

"Tea bag paper is related to paper found in milk and coffee filters and is a blend of wood and vegetable fibers. The latter is bleached pulp abaca hemp, a plantation banana plant grown for its fiber, mostly in the Philippines and Colombia. Some bags have a heat-sealable thermoplastic such as PVC or polypropylene as a component fiber on the inner tea bag surface, and other bags are made from nylon.[11] Paper tea bags are commonly sealed using polypropylene.[12]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_bag#Paper_and_plastic

One reason why I like the french press. In addition to the obvious and indisputable superiority of well-made coffee, the used grounds are 100% biodegradable and help promote the employment of emergency plumbers.

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Nagatar karumuttu chettiar

Sonindia crossed 100 nations today!

Yay!

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The Intensive Care Unit of Candlewhisper Archive

The niceties of normal moral constraints wrote:[<salutes as agents attach electrified finger sandwiches>]

"Tea bag paper is related to paper found in milk and coffee filters and is a blend of wood and vegetable fibers. The latter is bleached pulp abaca hemp, a plantation banana plant grown for its fiber, mostly in the Philippines and Colombia. Some bags have a heat-sealable thermoplastic such as PVC or polypropylene as a component fiber on the inner tea bag surface, and other bags are made from nylon.[11] Paper tea bags are commonly sealed using polypropylene.[12]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_bag#Paper_and_plastic

One reason why I like the french press. In addition to the obvious and indisputable superiority of well-made coffee, the used grounds are 100% biodegradable and help promote the employment of emergency plumbers.

Right, the plastic is especially a problem compared to most plastic packaging as it's unknown to many consumers, so often ends up in the food waste and can end up as plastic pollution. Even more worryingly, manufacturers seem to have lobbied sufficiently to get waste collection services to say that the amount of plastic is small enough for this to be harmless. Drink loose leaf tea though, and you can compost it yourself directly, safe in the knowledge it'll do no harm to your garden.

Also, of course, bagged tea takes a lot more processing and preparation, so there's a higher energy footprint per cup, and is often blended from multiple geographic locations, so has a higher carbon cost from transportation.

In fairness to the tea industry though, recent increases in awareness of the plastic problem have led many companies to switch or to be transitioning towards fully biodegradable teabags.

I suspect though that any foodstuff that needs to be transported internationally before it hits the kitchen shelf is going to be something we'll be moving away from more in the next few decades.

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The Sylvan Hivə of Turbeaux

Nagatar karumuttu chettiar wrote:Sweet Christ thats complicated.

Okay, let me see when I can do it!

Alternatively, you could just send links to the images to Mount Seymour or me and we can make sure that they get posted. It would be good to have a Sonindian in the forum though!

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Nagatar karumuttu chettiar

Turbeaux wrote:Alternatively, you could just send links to the images to Mount Seymour or me and we can make sure that they get posted. It would be good to have a Sonindian in the forum though!

I will try to get into the forum.

Rivienland

I'm just curious, but do many members of Forest spend a lot of time outdoors enjoying nature? Based on the photo contest, which many are such gorgeous pictures, it seems many take pictures during trips to parks, etc.

Even though I always think nature is so pretty, I've never really gotten into the habit of visiting parks, or exploring nature in general. Do people just take walks, or are there specific activities you do when exploring nature?

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The niceties of normal moral constraints

Rivienland wrote:I'm just curious, but do many members of Forest spend a lot of time outdoors enjoying nature? Based on the photo contest, which many are such gorgeous pictures, it seems many take pictures during trips to parks, etc.

Even though I always think nature is so pretty, I've never really gotten into the habit of visiting parks, or exploring nature in general. Do people just take walks, or are there specific activities you do when exploring nature?

I walk a lot. In fact, the only pair of shoes I own are of the lightweight hiking variety. They're the only kind of shoe I can wear that breathe enough that my feet don't rot, they're relatively inexpensive, and they don't light up or come in neon colors or some other deranged nonsense. But they do wear out relatively quickly. I'm fortunate enough to live and work in an area with still relatively large areas of undeveloped public spaces. It also helps that all California drivers are psychopaths, so I prefer walking and public transportation whenever feasible. I should have a stack of pictures lying around here somewhere...

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The Sylvan Hivə of Turbeaux

Rivienland wrote:I'm just curious, but do many members of Forest spend a lot of time outdoors enjoying nature? Based on the photo contest, which many are such gorgeous pictures, it seems many take pictures during trips to parks, etc.

Even though I always think nature is so pretty, I've never really gotten into the habit of visiting parks, or exploring nature in general. Do people just take walks, or are there specific activities you do when exploring nature?

Before I became disabled I would walk 10-20 miles per day and sometimes ride my bicycle up to the trailheads leading into the mountain range just to the N of Tucson. One day, I biked about 20 miles and hiked/scrambled a bit over ten. I was in very good shape at the time but that still wiped me out! I would basically look at trips and question if I really needed to involve any sort of automotive transportation and I often did not have to.

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The Sarcasm Tag of Canaltia

Rivienland wrote:I'm just curious, but do many members of Forest spend a lot of time outdoors enjoying nature? Based on the photo contest, which many are such gorgeous pictures, it seems many take pictures during trips to parks, etc.

Even though I always think nature is so pretty, I've never really gotten into the habit of visiting parks, or exploring nature in general. Do people just take walks, or are there specific activities you do when exploring nature?

Well, me being outside is pretty seasonal. During the winter and summer, I'm out all the time on walks and various other activities, but not so much during the spring and fall. The adventure side of nature is what gets me. I love just walking out without a plan, just wandering through a national park, or snowshoeing across a golf course. It's my dream day to just take a couple of friends, drive out into the mountains, and pull over at a rest stop and follow whatever walking trail they have, as most do in the Rockies.

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Areulder

I enjoy hiking fishing and boating. I'm especially fond of going hiking right after snowstorms.(and the wife has been very patient with this.)

Unfortunately it is night time most of the time i'm off work so I don't get to much :c

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Rejectionville

Rivienland wrote:I'm just curious, but do many members of Forest spend a lot of time outdoors enjoying nature?

What is this 'outdoors' you speak of?

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Nagatar karumuttu chettiar

Rivienland wrote:I'm just curious, but do many members of Forest spend a lot of time outdoors enjoying nature? Based on the photo contest, which many are such gorgeous pictures, it seems many take pictures during trips to parks, etc.

Even though I always think nature is so pretty, I've never really gotten into the habit of visiting parks, or exploring nature in general. Do people just take walks, or are there specific activities you do when exploring nature?

Well, I drove out 5 hours into the Tamil Countryside to get my photos, to a verdant coastal area, so I think it is safe to say I enjoy nature ;D

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Catterland

Rivienland wrote:I'm just curious, but do many members of Forest spend a lot of time outdoors enjoying nature? Based on the photo contest, which many are such gorgeous pictures, it seems many take pictures during trips to parks, etc.

Even though I always think nature is so pretty, I've never really gotten into the habit of visiting parks, or exploring nature in general. Do people just take walks, or are there specific activities you do when exploring nature?

Not as much time as I should, though having the car break down certainly helps with getting fresh air when walking to work every morning :D Thankfully the weather's surprisingly nice for this time of year in the Pacific NW (for a few more days).

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The Sylvan Hivə of Turbeaux

Areulder wrote:I enjoy hiking fishing and boating. I'm especially fond of going hiking right after snowstorms.(and the wife has been very patient with this.)

Unfortunately it is night time most of the time i'm off work so I don't get to much :c

Night hiking can be great fun. I have started many longer hikes hours before sunrise and have seen some neat nocturnal stuff as a result.

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Adstravia

Hi, remember me? I'm your comrade from TNP!

Chan island

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Right, the plastic is especially a problem compared to most plastic packaging as it's unknown to many consumers, so often ends up in the food waste and can end up as plastic pollution. Even more worryingly, manufacturers seem to have lobbied sufficiently to get waste collection services to say that the amount of plastic is small enough for this to be harmless. Drink loose leaf tea though, and you can compost it yourself directly, safe in the knowledge it'll do no harm to your garden.

Also, of course, bagged tea takes a lot more processing and preparation, so there's a higher energy footprint per cup, and is often blended from multiple geographic locations, so has a higher carbon cost from transportation.

In fairness to the tea industry though, recent increases in awareness of the plastic problem have led many companies to switch or to be transitioning towards fully biodegradable teabags.

I suspect though that any foodstuff that needs to be transported internationally before it hits the kitchen shelf is going to be something we'll be moving away from more in the next few decades.

*Guiltily sips tea with teabag in it*

Rivienland wrote:I'm just curious, but do many members of Forest spend a lot of time outdoors enjoying nature? Based on the photo contest, which many are such gorgeous pictures, it seems many take pictures during trips to parks, etc.

Even though I always think nature is so pretty, I've never really gotten into the habit of visiting parks, or exploring nature in general. Do people just take walks, or are there specific activities you do when exploring nature?

Just general explorations. I walk as much as I can. Good for daydreaming.

Turbeaux wrote:Night hiking can be great fun. I have started many longer hikes hours before sunrise and have seen some neat nocturnal stuff as a result.

Night hiking in a forest is actually terrifying. Never doing that one again if I can help it.

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Caracasus

Rivienland wrote:I'm just curious, but do many members of Forest spend a lot of time outdoors enjoying nature? Based on the photo contest, which many are such gorgeous pictures, it seems many take pictures during trips to parks, etc.

Even though I always think nature is so pretty, I've never really gotten into the habit of visiting parks, or exploring nature in general. Do people just take walks, or are there specific activities you do when exploring nature?

I like to walk quite a bit when I can. Even if it's just round the block or whatever. It really annoys me now it's winter and the weather is terrible as I got into the habit of taking a stroll before bed and I can't do that so much anymore.

My favourite walk has got to be one where I got directions from the internet. The directions were... odd and not that helpful and included at one point "turn left past the cabbage field" - apparently the author was unaware that crops change and that a field might not grow cabbages all year round forever.

That was supposed to be a 4 mile walk. We worked out later that we'd walked for about 12 miles!

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The Equatorial Forests of Uan aa Boa

The niceties of normal moral constraints wrote:Every time I see an (implied) statement about how people have access to <preferred food source>, I feel the need to post the following link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert

Generally I do this in contexts wherein someone assumes that since they can afford to shop the gluten-free vegan section of their <big city supermarket>, everyone can, and thus anyone still eating meat is "evil." In this context, I would stress the existence of rural food deserts, and note that while the big city urban folk might be able to buy houses and rent apartments next to the gluten-free vegan section at <big city supermarket>, not everyone can, and so sweeping generalizations about how "most of us" should be avoided (EDIT: although on a second reading, you actually say "most of us here," and I'm not an expert on Romania, since I don't live there, so fair enough I guess. I stand by the general principle of this post, however.)

Just for the record, I rent an apartment and do most of my grocery shopping in the gluten-free vegan section ("Produce," before the kids took over :| )

Good points here, but it's important to distinguish between blaming society and its structures on one hand and blaming individuals on the other. I'm certainly not suggesting that everyone who eats meat is "evil" irrespective of their location and level of social capital - I wouldn't call anyone short of Hannibal Lecter evil based on their dietary choices (and wild venison is surely preferable to intensively farmed beef by just about any measure). That doesn't mean I accept that there should be food deserts, particularly the Scottish urban ones caused by town planning that makes no serious attempt to discourage car use and spineless authorities who won't oppose the choice of supermarkets to relocate to out of town retail parks that aren't connected by public transport to where people actually live (or invest in transport once the relocation has happened). They help perpetuate the existence of an underclass who then get mocked for being neds who live on microwave meals and takeaways, but they aren't the problem, they're the victims of the problem.

I'm not so well informed about the issues involved in a rural North American food desert, though I can see why hunting might be a response to one. Never forget, though, that governments that have no difficulty coordinating complex tasks like invading Muslim countries and bailing out reckless financial institutions could address the systemic problems that affect ordinary people if they gave a toss, or if they weren't in the pocket of those who benefit from the existence of these inequalities. Governments are so uninterested in these questions that young people like Sapnu puas grow up saying they're not political because we see political issues as being limited to what one politician said about another, whether there's a Democrat or a Republican in the White House and other matters almost wholly divorced from real world issues. Yet as the old feminist slogan says, the personal is the political.

As Palos heights pointed out, the need for hunting/culling to control deer populations stems from the fact that humans exterminated the deer's natural predators through a mixture of trophy hunting, hunting for fur and a belief that every last acre of the middle of nowhere has to be managed to maximise human interests. In Scotland the support/reintroduction of eagles is controversial because they can occasionally kill lambs, so you can imagine how the question of wolves and bears plays out. Yet when society (not individuals) no longer has any need to rely on the most inefficient forms of pastoral agriculture why does it have to be paramount that sheep can go unmolested on every bit of moorland in the country? So many environmental problems stem from this often unchallenged assumption that the whole world is for us.

Caracasus wrote:Eh, teabags are absolutely fine but I really would reccomend trying loose leaf tea. It really is better.

Regarding teabags, I remember a story told by Tony Benn. For the unfamiliar, Benn was a British cabinet minister in the 1970s who was born into an aristocratic family but legally renounced the title of Viscount he would have inherited because of his socialist outlook. He recounted how, when he was a student at Oxford, an elderly aunt sent him a packet of these new-fangled teabags... and a pair of scissors to open them with.

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The Reaper of Lord Dominator

Rivienland wrote:I'm just curious, but do many members of Forest spend a lot of time outdoors enjoying nature? Based on the photo contest, which many are such gorgeous pictures, it seems many take pictures during trips to parks, etc.

Even though I always think nature is so pretty, I've never really gotten into the habit of visiting parks, or exploring nature in general. Do people just take walks, or are there specific activities you do when exploring nature?

I'm happy to leave the nature to all the animals and maybe watch it through my window :)

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The Eco-Republic of Mozworld

Will the winners of the writing competition be published in the original despatch or a new one?

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Caracasus

Mozworld wrote:Will the winners of the writing competition be published in the original despatch or a new one?

A new dispatch. We know who the winners are, just tidying up a few minor details.

It's been a really great contest actually, some amazing entires.

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The southern cascadian states

Now that finals are over I can am able to pay more attention to my nation (and this board, whew there are a lot of notifications).

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Earth pillars

Rivienland wrote:I'm just curious, but do many members of Forest spend a lot of time outdoors enjoying nature? Based on the photo contest, which many are such gorgeous pictures, it seems many take pictures during trips to parks, etc.

Even though I always think nature is so pretty, I've never really gotten into the habit of visiting parks, or exploring nature in general. Do people just take walks, or are there specific activities you do when exploring nature?

I'm studying Environment but I'm not actually a nature person, just someone who wants to help the world be better :)

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The Republic of Kannap

Rivienland wrote:I'm just curious, but do many members of Forest spend a lot of time outdoors enjoying nature? Based on the photo contest, which many are such gorgeous pictures, it seems many take pictures during trips to parks, etc.

Even though I always think nature is so pretty, I've never really gotten into the habit of visiting parks, or exploring nature in general. Do people just take walks, or are there specific activities you do when exploring nature?

Lots of hiking, though not as much as I'd like since I've moved away from the mountains - though I'll be moving back to the mountains in just under a year from now and will be happy to share pictures I take during my hikes.

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