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Leblancroux wrote:

It is necessary to analyze the geopolitics of the time of the first crusade (1096 and 1099)
The Islamics had conquered a large part of the Iberian peninsula and the Byzantine empire was going into decline, that is, a conflict between Muslims and Christians had been going on for almost 400 years (since when the Islamic empire invaded the Iberian peninsula in 711)

It is worth mentioning that before Islamic expansion, North Africa, the Levant, and Mesopotamia were mostly Christian.

I'm not defending the crusades, but I think that analyzing the geopolitics of the time, the Pope had several reasons for sending several peasants, vagrants, knights, and self-centered barons to die in the Middle East💀

That's not what I said. What I meant by my post was that despite the cause not being to wipe out Muslims, the Catholic church allowed and even encouraged crusaders to kill Muslims without regret, and that's still a heinous action that needs to be talked about more.

Estellan wrote:

That's not what I said. What I meant by my post was that despite the cause not being to wipe out Muslims, the Catholic church allowed and even encouraged crusaders to kill Muslims without regret, and that's still a heinous action that needs to be talked about more.

The crusades were so weird, in the fourth crusade they sacked Constantinople, which was the capital of the nation they meant to be helping regain land from the Turks. And in the first Crusade they even massacred other Christians!
And yes they also Wiped out the Muslims there as well, like you said.

Ah religious wars, in a way the worst kind. Everyone assumes they are doing the right or moral thing because they think god’s with them.

Iceagea wrote:

Ah religious wars, in a way the worst kind. Everyone assumes they are doing the right or moral thing because they think god’s with them.

Yes, they often create sects in religions which just cause more war and makes it harder to come to an agreement.

Estellan wrote:

That's not what I said. What I meant by my post was that despite the cause not being to wipe out Muslims, the Catholic church allowed and even encouraged crusaders to kill Muslims without regret, and that's still a heinous action that needs to be talked about more.

"the Catholic church allowed and even encouraged crusaders to kill Muslims without regret, and that's still a heinous action that needs to be talked about more."

I'm sorry, but I think this is a consequence of wars? This happened on both the Muslim and Christian sides.

I know I'm a little skeptical, but I think you're imposing a modern morality on an ancient event, like, OF COURSE this is wrong.
but people were very alienated and didn't know that.

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Leblancroux wrote:

"the Catholic church allowed and even encouraged crusaders to kill Muslims without regret, and that's still a heinous action that needs to be talked about more."

I'm sorry, but I think this is a consequence of wars? This happened on both the Muslim and Christian sides.

I know I'm a little skeptical, but I think you're imposing a modern morality on an ancient event, like, OF COURSE this is wrong.
but people were very alienated and didn't know that.

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St Scarlett wrote:

I don't think Islam or Muslims are incompatible with the West.

There are elements of Islam that don't gel well with everything, but that's true of all religions. So you have to take the stance of all religions being incompatible with the West or none of them.

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