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The Democratic Republic of Estellan That's not what I said. What I meant by my post was that despite the cause not being to wipe out Muslims, the Catholic church allowed and even encouraged crusaders to kill Muslims without regret, and that's still a heinous action that needs to be talked about more. |
The Commonwealth I guess of The aynie isles The crusades were so weird, in the fourth crusade they sacked Constantinople, which was the capital of the nation they meant to be helping regain land from the Turks. And in the first Crusade they even massacred other Christians! Leblancroux and Vurk |
Ah religious wars, in a way the worst kind. Everyone assumes they are doing the right or moral thing because they think god’s with them. |
The Commonwealth I guess of The aynie isles Yes, they often create sects in religions which just cause more war and makes it harder to come to an agreement. |
"the Catholic church allowed and even encouraged crusaders to kill Muslims without regret, and that's still a heinous action that needs to be talked about more." I'm sorry, but I think this is a consequence of wars? This happened on both the Muslim and Christian sides. I know I'm a little skeptical, but I think you're imposing a modern morality on an ancient event, like, OF COURSE this is wrong. |
The Former UK PM of Laver Island Damn bro |
The WitchOfTroubleInElectricBlue of New Eestiball welcome to bothsidesism 101 |
Big solar storm coming later today - tomorrow morning, might be even visible down south of UK with clear enough and dark enough skies. Put your internet in a lead safe. Noristoniaka and Skalliad |
The Constitutional Monarchy of Osterreich-Deutschland Turkiye. |
I love how the ancient Greeks, instead of destroying and exterminating the Egyptian people and their religion, they just explained the existence of the two religions through Typhon and his fight against Olympus, Christianity and Islam should have followed this example, but I think the fact that Christianity and Islam are monotheistic certainly hindered. Iceagea, The aynie isles, Alcrosnia, and Vurk |
The Constitutional Monarchy of Osterreich-Deutschland Nah dats boring. just crusade 😁 |
The Constitutional Monarchy of Osterreich-Deutschland I made a issue :) |
The Commonwealth I guess of The aynie isles As a Zoroastrian I would like to say my religion played no part in any ideas these religions currently have, nope, none at all. Leblancroux and Vurk |
About compatibility of Islam, I suggest Mustafa Kemal's thoughs about the religion. I think it unifies most of us in here, I will left in this "spoiler" box: "Religion is an important institution. A nation without religion cannot survive. Yet it is also very important to note that religion is a link between Allah and the individual believer. The brokerage of the pious cannot be permitted. Those who use religion for their own benefit are detestable. We are against such a situation and will not allow it. Those who use religion in such a manner have fooled our people; it is against just such people that we have fought and will continue to fight. Know that whatever conforms to reason, logic, and the advantages and needs of our people conforms equally to Islam. If our religion did not conform to reason and logic, it would not be the perfect religion, the final religion." M.K.Ataturk I especially picked Ataturk for our conversations, because after all, he was born as Muslim (even if there is still a debate about he is later agnostic, muslim or atheist etc.) he perfectly states the reality. Today, some Middleeastern countries fall under extremist de-facto Islamistic ideologies already became incompitable with the Western systems, (I really don't see in near future, in this exact state, Afghanistan's direct integration with EU; it would be that type of schizo scenario). Sadly, more are in danger to fall to this blackhole. Unironically, he envisioned that Republic of Turkey would go through same risk. Therefore, he boosted education, even he made compulsory to live the religion in national language. (Maybe for bit expense of religious freedom about how to live the religion) Still today I question about how secular is Republic of Turkey. Clearly they've made great progress in terms of these but still not enough and they are regressing for two decades, according to my observations. (In terms of secularism. Bloody theocratic Ottoman caliphate to a modern Republic, I'm trying to say.) |
This is only a G4 geomagnetic storm so far, not a G5 (maximum). No action is required. But sunspot AR3664 worries me. There is already the potential for a repeat of the Carrington event. It won't be the end of the world, but if many transformers are damaged, it will be a big problem. In any case, possible limited outages to the power grid and thus the Internet can already be expected today (May 11) |
The Protectorate of 05 Council 2025 the biggest solar storm will hit which could has a potential to wipe out our power grids Fun fact Saturns volume is 763.59 times that of earth |
It's the first time I've talked to a Zoroastrian, that's so cool! |
The Commonwealth I guess of The aynie isles My Grandad was one, although my parents aren't too deeply religious, nor am I to be honest. |
The Democratic Republic of Estellan Yes, everybody knows that both sides committed atrocities, but overall when you look at it in a historical context the Crusaders were just objectively a whole lot worse, like when Jerusalem was taken they murdered thousands while the Muslims let them live during a similar invasion. As for the modern morality thing, I think that you can be a moral person even if you happened to be born in the middle ages, like St. Francis for example. Morality doesn't just turn off when you look at things that happened a long time ago. Sure, they were alienated, but if that's all it takes to keep a person from being moral, why did so many people flee Nazi Germany and house jews in Nazi-occupied territories? |
Someone needs to explain the poll to me… What’s the differences? |
The Haugen Matriarchy of St Scarlett https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alignment_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons) |
Yes, I have to agree that Islam was considerably less radical, especially during the golden age of Islam, while Europe stunk more than the streets of California. Yes, you are also right about the issue of morality, a person can be good and without prejudice in the middle ages, but this tends to be different. In the Middle Ages this was rarer, while in the Modern Age it tends to be more common. my main point is that Muslims and christians were already at war for literally 385 years before the first crusade, so you can't expect that the soldiers (soldiers = illiterate peasants, vagrants, etc.) to be nice to them. PS Muslims let people live, but they would have to pay high taxes just for following other religions, that is, it is good, but still not ideal. |
The Corporate United Replubics of Thebernesen *While checking your phone , a message from an ukown person appears* Hi Europeans! Feel free to vote! |
The Former UK PM of Laver Island You posted some cringe ngl, also what's up with the "Islams" and "Islamics" terms? It's Muslim lmao. But your points are already being addressed, so I'll address this as someone who grew up with Islam and attending private Islamic education in my earliest years. Jizya is a little more complicated than "non-Muslim = high tax" Jizya has historically varied in its amount and based on various factors such as pre-existing taxcodes to what individual payers/communities could afford. Jizya was something only non-Muslims men who were fit to work and provide and who were under protection by the state paid, and often was covered under kharaj, which was a tax on land and produce, which Muslim landowners also paid but at different rates. As the protected non-Muslim communities were exempted from military service, jizya was the 'price' for that. Other non-Muslim communities did not pay taxes but instead had 'trade agreements' which occured a lot in North Africa. How one was taxed was mostly determined by ones relationship with the Islamic ruling state. Poor Christians and Jewish communities were also during some periods granted stipends from the state sometimes funded by zakat, which is a sort of income tax Muslims pay. And other times were harshly treated to be reminded of their lower status as non-Muslims. Islamic taxcode history is wildly inconsistent in its practices mainly because the many different political entities that existed throughout Islam's history. But also because Muslim scholars can't agree on a whole lot lmao. Jizya doesn't exist in modern times as other many forms of taxes in Islam don't. Which significally challenges Islamic jurisprudence, making the case for sharia coming to the West even more absurd as no Muslim country can get it 'right' |
The Federal Republic of Yahlia Forgot to add, when also looking at the first semi-final, the ballads are really strong this year. Normally the ballads are mid and make the competition more boring, but they’ve all blown me away actually. An excellent change |