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The Christian States of Gideon

Austrin wrote:The answer is that there should be no separation as the church needs to be there to police the government and be a moral barrier against corruption. This is its role in principle.

In practice it acts as yet another corrupt institution that will either slow down or veto radical change in the country preventing reform. For a conservative by name and nature such as myself this is a promising outcome. I hope this answer is satisfactory.

I’m not being argumentative when I ask, but can churches not be corrupt?

The thaindom of the shire

The Kaisertum of Austrin

Gideon wrote:I’m not being argumentative when I ask, but can churches not be corrupt?

My dear friend in my lifetime I have found that every institution is corrupt regardless of what it stands for. This is because all humans are sinners. We should not go crazy and ban son and corruption like some crazy witch hunt by dodgy puritans (historical reference). I am not wise or old enough to solve corruption so I have said my piece. Do not despair for this is God’s image.

The thaindom of the shire and Gideon

The Christian States of Gideon

Congratulations to Christadelphians and The thaindom of the shire on passing the Intro to Law course!

Eluney and The thaindom of the shire

The thaindom of the shire

Gideon wrote:Which is the most important aspect of separation of church and state, to protect the church from the state or to protect the state from the church?

Protect the State from the Church.

Austrin wrote:The answer is that there should be no separation as the church needs to be there to police the government and be a moral barrier against corruption. This is its role in principle.

In practice it acts as yet another corrupt institution that will either slow down or veto radical change in the country preventing reform. For a conservative by name and nature such as myself this is a promising outcome. I hope this answer is satisfactory.

I’d disagree and argue that the point of separation is to make sure the government remains neutral toward all religions and does not officially recognize or favor any one religion. No separation leads to favour and recognition, and that leads to corruption.

Eluney

The thaindom of the shire

Gideon wrote:Congratulations to Christadelphians and The thaindom of the shire on passing the Intro to Law course!

Thank you Gideon!

The Grand Duchy of Norfshire

Gideon wrote:Which is the most important aspect of separation of church and state, to protect the church from the state or to protect the state from the church?

Both, it would be worthwhile for both entities to cooperate. However a merging of the two would lead to direct competition where one would be compelled to dominate the other. (Usually the state influencing the church for the state possesses a larger amount of earthly power). An example of this would be Russia under Peter I. After his abolishment of the initially short lived position of Moscow patriarch and replacing it with a holy synod. The church ended up being heavily influenced by the state via state meddling in such a synod. Towards the end of the Russian Empire it was a fairly common thing for confessors people would go to, to turn out to be police informants.

The church has a deliberate structure to be its own state within and without states. This has prolonged its life, adaptability and survivability. States come and go, the church is here forever.

The Christian Republic of Rolenmar

Dear Assembly Members,
I would like to propose the Regional Information and Transparency Act. Please discuss and suggest any changes over the next 24 hours or so, then I will open a poll to vote on it.

Blessings,
Rolenmar


REGIONAL INFORMATION AND TRANSPARENCY ACT 2022



Date of Effect: 14 July 2022
Authors & Sponsors: Rolenmar & Gideon
Co-Sponsor: Ecclestia


DEFINITIONS
i. "Up-to-date" means within 14 days after the change has occurred.
ii. "Official regional information" means information that records the proceedings, laws and events of the region.

PURPOSE OF THE ACT
The purpose of the 'Regional Information and Transparency Act 2022' is to ensure that all official regional information remains easy to find and up-to-date and that all citizens are aware of the proceedings of the regional government.

SECTION 1: REGIONAL INFORMATION
1.1 All official regional information shall use a template specified by the President.
1.1.1 All official regional information shall use a breadcrumb menu structure for easy navigation (see note 1).
1.2 All official regional information must be kept up-to-date.
1.2.1 If the official regional information is not up-to-date, any party may notify the owner of the information of the fact. Upon notification, the owner of the dispatch will have 14 days to update it.
1.2.2 If the information has not been updated pursuant to §1.4, any party may seek a writ of mandamus from the Courts for enforcement.

SECTION 2: REGIONAL HUB
2.1 The UCN Regional Hub shall be maintained by The UCN Infocentre.
2.2 The Regional Hub shall contain information on regional administration and organisations as well as an historical archive.
2.3 Only official regional information pages can be linked to on the Regional Hub, with exceptions granted by the President.

SECTION 3: LEGISLATIVE TRANSPARENCY
3.1 All proposed bills and motions shall be made public at least 24 hours prior to a vote.
3.1.1 The President may suspend §3.1 by the issuance of an emergency order for reasons of Regional security.
3.1.2 Violations of §3.1 shall result in a voided vote and a subsequent re-vote shall take place with sufficient notification.
3.2 Votes of each member shall be made public within 5 days.
3.3 All members shall disclose any conflicts of interest prior to any vote.

SECTION 4: EXECUTIVE TRANSPARENCY
4.1 The President shall publish all executive orders, laws, or governmental changes to the regional hub within 14 days of the change occurring.
4.2 Deacons must disclose any potential conflicts of interest prior to taking office.
4.3 Executive officials and appointees must respond to official business in a timely manner.

SECTION 5: JUDICIAL TRANSPARENCY
5.1 Each court or tribunal must publicize the trial prior to its start.
5.2 All statements issued to the court may be requested, in writing, during the trial by any citizen and should be delivered in a timely manner.
5.3 Parties officially involved in court proceedings shall be made aware of any official statements or requests made by the opposing party during the proceedings as soon as possible.
5.4 All rulings must be made public within 5 days.
5.5 Judges must disclose any potential conflicts of interest prior to convening a case.

SECTION 6: REGULATIONS
6.1 The President may make regulations by Executive Order prescribing matters:
(a) required or permitted by this Act to be prescribed; or
(b) necessary or convenient to be prescribed for carrying out or giving effect to this Act.

NOTES
1. Example of breadcrumb menu: The Master Dispatch of The Free Nations Region

Read dispatch

Eco-Paris Reformation, The thaindom of the shire, Sen shina, Alluxia, and 1 otherGideon

The Christian States of Gideon

Rolenmar wrote:Dear Assembly Members,
I would like to propose the Regional Information and Transparency Act. Please discuss and suggest any changes over the next 24 hours or so, then I will open a poll to vote on it.

Blessings,
Rolenmar


REGIONAL INFORMATION AND TRANSPARENCY ACT 2022



Date of Effect: 14 July 2022
Authors & Sponsors: Rolenmar & Gideon
Co-Sponsor: Ecclestia


DEFINITIONS
i. "Up-to-date" means within 14 days after the change has occurred.
ii. "Official regional information" means information that records the proceedings, laws and events of the region.

PURPOSE OF THE ACT
The purpose of the 'Regional Information and Transparency Act 2022' is to ensure that all official regional information remains easy to find and up-to-date and that all citizens are aware of the proceedings of the regional government.

SECTION 1: REGIONAL INFORMATION
1.1 All official regional information shall use a template specified by the President.
1.1.1 All official regional information shall use a breadcrumb menu structure for easy navigation (see note 1).
1.2 All official regional information must be kept up-to-date.
1.2.1 If the official regional information is not up-to-date, any party may notify the owner of the information of the fact. Upon notification, the owner of the dispatch will have 14 days to update it.
1.2.2 If the information has not been updated pursuant to §1.4, any party may seek a writ of mandamus from the Courts for enforcement.

SECTION 2: REGIONAL HUB
2.1 The UCN Regional Hub shall be maintained by The UCN Infocentre.
2.2 The Regional Hub shall contain information on regional administration and organisations as well as an historical archive.
2.3 Only official regional information pages can be linked to on the Regional Hub, with exceptions granted by the President.

SECTION 3: LEGISLATIVE TRANSPARENCY
3.1 All proposed bills and motions shall be made public at least 24 hours prior to a vote.
3.1.1 The President may suspend §3.1 by the issuance of an emergency order for reasons of Regional security.
3.1.2 Violations of §3.1 shall result in a voided vote and a subsequent re-vote shall take place with sufficient notification.
3.2 Votes of each member shall be made public within 5 days.
3.3 All members shall disclose any conflicts of interest prior to any vote.

SECTION 4: EXECUTIVE TRANSPARENCY
4.1 The President shall publish all executive orders, laws, or governmental changes to the regional hub within 14 days of the change occurring.
4.2 Deacons must disclose any potential conflicts of interest prior to taking office.
4.3 Executive officials and appointees must respond to official business in a timely manner.

SECTION 5: JUDICIAL TRANSPARENCY
5.1 Each court or tribunal must publicize the trial prior to its start.
5.2 All statements issued to the court may be requested, in writing, during the trial by any citizen and should be delivered in a timely manner.
5.3 Parties officially involved in court proceedings shall be made aware of any official statements or requests made by the opposing party during the proceedings as soon as possible.
5.4 All rulings must be made public within 5 days.
5.5 Judges must disclose any potential conflicts of interest prior to convening a case.

SECTION 6: REGULATIONS
6.1 The President may make regulations by Executive Order prescribing matters:
(a) required or permitted by this Act to be prescribed; or
(b) necessary or convenient to be prescribed for carrying out or giving effect to this Act.

NOTES
1. Example of breadcrumb menu: The Master Dispatch of The Free Nations Region

Read dispatch

Thank you to the committee for reviewing this bill!

The thaindom of the shire, Rolenmar, and Alluxia

The Republic of Concordare

I have decided to step down from the Delegate/Vice President position. I feel I don't have as much time to devote to the job as it deserves, and I am sure there are several excellent candidates out there who would enjoy and do well in the role. Thank you for letting me serve the region for a time, and I wish my replacement all the best!

Mendevia, Ecclestia, Civitas asiae et pacificarum, Eco-Paris Reformation, and 2 othersRolenmar, and Gideon

Civitas asiae et pacificarum

Concordare wrote:I have decided to step down from the Delegate/Vice President position. I feel I don't have as much time to devote to the job as it deserves, and I am sure there are several excellent candidates out there who would enjoy and do well in the role. Thank you for letting me serve the region for a time, and I wish my replacement all the best!

Thank you for your wonderful service as the Delegate for the UCN, dearest Concordare. May God Bless you in the next step of your journey.

The thaindom of the shire

It seems our Protestant Chaplain, Mendevia, is our new Delegate and Vice-President. Congrats!

Concordare, Mendevia, Ecclestia, Geneviev, and 2 othersCivitas asiae et pacificarum, and Rolenmar

Geneviev

The thaindom of the shire wrote:Excellent to see the Supreme Court has finally given the power back to the State’s, and that they are taking action to prevent any further abortions.

I have nothing against abortions if it’d to save the life of the mother, or if the child would be born with major life altering birth defects. I just believe that, if you really don’t want kids, then use abstinence.

If you believe in abstinence, then I'm sure you understand that there should be exceptions for rape as well. The mother did use abstinence.

Gideon wrote:Which is the most important aspect of separation of church and state, to protect the church from the state or to protect the state from the church?

Both. And, for that matter, to protect the church from itself. When there's no separation between church and state, the church tends to get more involved in politics. There's a lot of problems with that, but one of the more concerning ones to me is that people will completely leave the church because of political disagreements that shouldn't be all that important to the church (culture wars). It's a fairly common problem in Germany, at least from my experience, and I think it should be avoided as much as possible.

Mendevia, The thaindom of the shire, and Rolenmar

The Christian Republic of Rolenmar

Congratulations to Mendevia on becoming our WA Delegate!

I would also like to say that the poll on the Regional Information and Transparency Act will begin shortly.
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Update: The poll is now open.
Apologies for a couple of polls opened and then deleted. I kept making spelling mistakes :D

page=poll/p=188217

Mendevia, The thaindom of the shire, and Gideon

The thaindom of the shire

Geneviev wrote:If you believe in abstinence, then I'm sure you understand that there should be exceptions for rape as well. The mother did use abstinence.

Both. And, for that matter, to protect the church from itself. When there's no separation between church and state, the church tends to get more involved in politics. There's a lot of problems with that, but one of the more concerning ones to me is that people will completely leave the church because of political disagreements that shouldn't be all that important to the church (culture wars). It's a fairly common problem in Germany, at least from my experience, and I think it should be avoided as much as possible.

I would disagree. While the act of Rape is a horrific crime for which the perpetrator should be punished, and for which the mother is innocent off, the child has done nothing wrong and it is unjust and unfair for it to be killed for no reason other then being created.

The thaindom of the shire

Is anyone here a Messanic Jew, or incorporates Judaism or Jewish tradition into their life alongside Christianity?

Eco-Paris Reformation and Sen shina

The Most Orthodox Empire of Americolumbia

Statement on the overturning of Roe v. Wade
Archpastoral Message of His Beatitude Metropolitan Tikhon

Monday, June 27, 2022

To the Hierarchs, Clergy, and Faithful of the Orthodox Church in America:

Christ is in our midst! He is and ever shall be!

On June 24, the American people received the news that the Supreme Court of the United States, in its opinion concerning the case of Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, has overturned the right to abortion created by the court in its 1973 decision in Roe v. Wade.

Undoubtedly, this should be a cause for rejoicing for all Orthodox Christians. As I affirmed in my recent archpastoral message for the feast of the Annunciation, “The Orthodox Church in America has always believed, upheld, preached, and defended the sanctity of human life from the time of conception in the womb.” From the earliest times, the shepherds of the Church have taught that abortion and the exposure of infants, even when accepted by the wider culture, are violations of the sanctity of human life and an offense against God and man. The overturning of Roe v. Wade is the first step towards a society and culture that recognizes the value of all human life and every human being made in the image of the Creator.

As such, in the wake of the Dobbs decision, in many jurisdictions, the dignity of unborn human persons is or will be recognized by law, affording them protection from violence and death in the womb. Broadly speaking, this, too, should be a cause for rejoicing.

Furthermore, it has not escaped our notice that this decision was handed down on the feast of the Nativity of the Forerunner, whose leaping in the womb of his mother Elizabeth is, for us, a miraculous sign of the divine value of the lives of the unborn: God, who knows us even before we were formed in the womb, accepts not just the praise of babes and infants, but even the adoration of an unborn child (Jer. 1:5; Ps. 8:2; Lk. 1:42).

However, we must avoid all triumphalism. Though we disagree with those who believe that legal abortion is necessary to protect the rights of women, we must recognize that this belief, however mistaken, is sincerely held by many people of goodwill. For those of us in the United States, these people are our fellow-citizens. They, too, bear the image of God.

As Orthodox Christians, we are called to be peacemakers, and to do good even to those who hate us. Christians have been and may continue to be targets of anger and even violence on the part of those who believe that the right to abortion should be enshrined in law. We should never respond with anger of our own, but with love, forgiveness, and prayer.

Our society is deeply riven by the fault lines of partisanship and polarization. However, as Orthodox Christians, we do not desire the defeat of our perceived political enemies; our goal is not to crush their arguments and force them to submit to our righteous will. Rather, we must seek in every way to share the healing and hope found in Jesus Christ with all people, including the proponents of abortion. We must extend our compassion even to those with whom we profoundly disagree, acknowledging that their pain and anger, however misguided, are nevertheless real afflictions.

And so, though we rejoice that the overturning of Roe v. Wade may allow our civil authorities to pass more just laws to protect the lives of the unborn, we recognize that the court’s decision is, as I have stated, but the first step in building a culture and society that value human life unreservedly. Such a culture and society would not merely satisfy the demands of justice by protecting human beings in the womb; it would also do everything possible to ensure that mothers and children are provided with all the conditions and means to flourish throughout their lives.

As such, it is heartening that politicians from both of our major political parties have increasingly turned their attention to crafting policies that support children and families. We should pray always that God give our political leaders wisdom and prudence while strengthening them in their good intentions.

However, a society and culture that truly recognizes the dignity of all human life is not just a question of laws and government policies. Such a society and culture must also be the result of our decisions and efforts as individuals, families, and parishes on the local, civil level to do all that we can to support women, children, and families in our communities. The Dobbs decision, as has been observed widely, is not the end of the pro-life cause, but its beginning.

Now is a time to heal and a time to build (Eccl. 3:3). May God strengthen us all in love for one another. May this court decision become a reason for us to love all our neighbors more fervently: the unborn, mothers, families, people of all political beliefs, the happy and the angry, the jubilant and the hurting. May we speak the truth in love and suffer with all the suffering. May we temper our passions—now and always—through fasting and prayer, self-reflection and self-reproach. And may the Lord Almighty bless all of our efforts to work together for a more just and more compassionate society and culture, one that welcomes all human life with joy.

Yours in Christ,

+Tikhon
Archbishop of Washington, Metropolitan of All America and Canada

(I love my hierarchs :).)

The thaindom of the shire, Rolenmar, Alluxia, Praias Calmas, and 1 otherEmpirestane

The Christian States of Gideon

Assembly Members - Please make sure to vote in the poll for RITA. Even if you are in the committee, you are eligible to vote!

Ecclestia, Eco-Paris Reformation, The thaindom of the shire, Sen shina, and 1 otherRolenmar

The Open Principality of Eco-Paris Reformation

The thaindom of the shire wrote:Is anyone here a Messanic Jew, or incorporates Judaism or Jewish tradition into their life alongside Christianity?

I am! 🤚

The thaindom of the shire, Sen shina, Rolenmar, and Gideon

The Commonwealth of Mendevia

Hello everyone! I was at the beach for a few days, but I'm back now and I'm looking at all the things that have changed since I was gone. I see that I'm the delegate now! I will do my best to uphold our values.

Concordare, Ecclestia, Austrin, Civitas asiae et pacificarum, and 4 othersEluney, The thaindom of the shire, Rolenmar, and Gideon

The Community of Christadelphians

FROM THE JUDICIARY

This message is to inform the region that the Court has decided to open the case of:

The thaindom of the shire; Ex Parte Government of the Union of Christian Nations v South godland [2021], UCN Tribunal 8.

I will now oversee a Tribunal to decide this case.

The thaindom of the shire has initiated proceedings against you and the Court has chosen to take up this case. South godland is being charged with Contempt of Court as per s3.11 of the Criminal Code Act 2020 for failing to comply with the Court's directions to you in the Gideon vs South godland decision. The case brief is below:
nation=the_thaindom_of_the_shire/detail=factbook/id=1726003

This case will be conducted in accordance with all laws and the 'Judicial Council Standard Procedure'.

Mendevia and The thaindom of the shire

The thaindom of the shire

Eco-Paris Reformation wrote:I am! 🤚

Interesting. Hoe do you manage to incorporate the two? Do you feel like your more Jewish then Christian?

Mendevia wrote:Hello everyone! I was at the beach for a few days, but I'm back now and I'm looking at all the things that have changed since I was gone. I see that I'm the delegate now! I will do my best to uphold our values.

Good luck! I have faith in you!

The Christian States of Gideon

Mendevia wrote:Hello everyone! I was at the beach for a few days, but I'm back now and I'm looking at all the things that have changed since I was gone. I see that I'm the delegate now! I will do my best to uphold our values.

Glad that you are representing us! Looking forward to working with you in your new capacity!

Concordare, Mendevia, Ecclestia, and The thaindom of the shire

The Open Principality of Eco-Paris Reformation

The thaindom of the shire wrote:Interesting. Hoe do you manage to incorporate the two? Do you feel like your more Jewish then Christian?

I'm a Southern Catholic. I was baptized as a child. My mother is Dutch, while my father is French-Israeli. While I was growing up, my family traveled about a lot, and we spent two years living in Israel. I adopted several Israeli customs and started adhering to the Judaist faith and its teachings. I see myself as a hybrid of the two. I now identify more with my Jewish roots and religion than with my Catholic one.

Mendevia, Cretoia-Slrathria, The thaindom of the shire, Sen shina, and 3 othersAlluxia, Empirestane, and Gideon

The thaindom of the shire

Eco-Paris Reformation wrote:I'm a Southern Catholic. I was baptized as a child. My mother is Dutch, while my father is French-Israeli. While I was growing up, my family traveled about a lot, and we spent two years living in Israel. I adopted several Israeli customs and started adhering to the Judaist faith and its teachings. I see myself as a hybrid of the two. I now identify more with my Jewish roots and religion than with my Catholic one.

Interesting!

Upper chantler

Glad to see a common sense bill like this be passed :)

Congratulations Mendevia and thank you Concordare for your service!

Concordare, Mendevia, Ecclestia, Civitas asiae et pacificarum, and 4 othersCretoia-Slrathria, The thaindom of the shire, Rolenmar, and Gideon

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