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The Hegemony of Wellsia

Corindia wrote:Is that counting the black people held as chattel slaves as 0, 3/5, or 1 person each? Confederate math can be so complicated sometimes.

Yes that includes the slaves in the South, just like the slaves in the North are included in the 23 million.

The Blue Islands of Corindia

Wellsia wrote:Yes that includes the slaves in the South, just like the slaves in the North are included in the 23 million.

That's one of the classic gotchas, but it ignores how the South enabled that as well. Should Northern slave owners have been murdered in their beds in a slave revolt too? Yeah

The State of Remodio

imagine starting a war to keep people as property

The Blue Islands of Corindia

Wellsia wrote:And why would you consider that as a name for the War Between the States. It took 2.5 million Yankees backed by the third largest economy at the time 5 years to defeat the Confederacy which only had 9 million people. When you are fighting 5 to one and kick ass 7 out of 10 times, can't see much inferiority.

Let's dissect the larger statement here too. Ignoring the fact that "it was a noble war fought against numerically and industrially superior foes" is a common neo-nazi talking point when justifying the loss of the third reich, it's... a war the south chose to fight? So if it was really such an uneven fight, I guess all those people died so that the southern elite could have their pointless war?

The Snark Queen of Shidei

If you lost, you're inferior. Not hard to figure out

Equilar

Martenyika wrote:I probably broke rule 1 of flag design, I didn’t even design and color my flag with specific meanings in mind lol. Thanks for prompting me to think about it (and think about even making a new flag)

Well, in your defense, Canada's flag is almost universally considered beautiful, despite breaking rule 1 too.

Equilar

Balnik wrote:W Red being the blood and foundation that the new Balnik was built upon, White being the ubiquitous mountains that are symbolic of the nation, and blue being the bright blue skies off the nation. The star represents Polaris, a historic oracle and guiding star for the nation.

Not gonna lie, I've always thought of your flag as looking very unique and pretty, me likey.

The Federation of Balnik

Equilar wrote:Not gonna lie, I've always thought of your flag as looking very unique and pretty, me likey.

Thank you. I do very much enjoy making flags.

The Könirike of Havalland

Shidei wrote:If you lost, you're inferior. Not hard to figure out

Gonna say this discussion is pointless it’s called the American Civil War and that’s that no need to bring it up like that just to stir up an argument online, seriously have you nothing better to do?
And no I’m not agreeing with the south just simply stating that you’re sounding like children.

The Holy Kingdom of Agadar

The south will rise again.

Not talking about the American civil war south btw.

The Utopian Kingdom of the Union of Roendavar

Equilar wrote:miniquestion:

what are y'all's flag's symbolismsis?

The three bands represent 1 and 10-1, January 11, the day when the four states of Andavar, Sudever, Vastaros, and Tillianan signed the Rose Declaration, uniting into the modern Roendavarian state. The golden rose is the symbol of the Iralethias Royal Family and the four stems/vines that surround it represent the four states. As for the colors, the Green symbolizes nature, environmentalism, libertarianism, and liberalism, and the Gold symbolizes wealth and the monarchy.

The Dominion of Nhoor

Agadar wrote:The south will rise again.

Not talking about the American civil war south btw.

With climate change and all I guess the south will more likely burn first :)

The Federated States of Domanania

Agadar wrote:The south will rise again.

Not talking about the American civil war south btw.

So we are talking about Antarctic mega fauna right?

The Hegemony of Wellsia

Corindia wrote:Let's dissect the larger statement here too. Ignoring the fact that "it was a noble war fought against numerically and industrially superior foes" is a common neo-nazi talking point when justifying the loss of the third reich, it's... a war the south chose to fight? So if it was really such an uneven fight, I guess all those people died so that the southern elite could have their pointless war?

There is nothing Nazi about the Confederacy, and yes the South did fire the first shots, but did they really start the war? Upon secession, Lincoln ordered the other states to send 75,000 volunteers to reconquer the South, it was this act which caused Virginia, Tennessee, North Carolina and Arkansas to also secede. The South wanted to peacefully leave the Union, no Confederate wanted war, that was all President Lincoln’s doing. Many in the North didn’t won’t war either, and those that spoke out against it were illegally arrested and held without trial by executive orders. In the end it was the grandsons and great grandsons of the men who wore the gray that defeated the Nazis and saved the world.

The Hegemony of Wellsia

Shidei wrote:If you lost, you're inferior. Not hard to figure out

So the United States is inferior to Vietnam? The American Indians are inferior to whites Americans?

Demenasia

Hello. This is Demenasia here. I am new on Nation States. Can anyone help me figure the game out?

Athara magarat, Nhoor, and Aizcona

The Unified Electorates of Ainslie

Demenasia wrote:Hello. This is Demenasia here. I am new on Nation States. Can anyone help me figure the game out?

Gday :)

Would be my pleasure, feel free to send a telegram to me if you’ve got any questions that pop up. First thing you should probably know is that there’s three main types of regions: the more general regions which do a bunch of stuff, Raid/Defend regions which use the mechanics of the world assembly to take over regions (or defend them from being taken over) and roleplay regions who do a lot of worldbuilding of their nations and all of that comes together as we create collaborative storylines.

Here in TWI we’re a roleplay region, and this dispatch is great start to get acquainted with how stuff goes down around here:

page=dispatch/id=520612

Oh, and welcome to the region!

Ostehaar, Athara magarat, Nhoor, Aizcona, and 1 otherLivastonia

The Blue Islands of Corindia

Wellsia wrote:There is nothing Nazi about the Confederacy, and yes the South did fire the first shots, but did they really start the war? Upon secession, Lincoln ordered the other states to send 75,000 volunteers to reconquer the South, it was this act which caused Virginia, Tennessee, North Carolina and Arkansas to also secede. The South wanted to peacefully leave the Union, no Confederate wanted war, that was all President Lincoln’s doing. Many in the North didn’t won’t war either, and those that spoke out against it were illegally arrested and held without trial by executive orders. In the end it was the grandsons and great grandsons of the men who wore the gray that defeated the Nazis and saved the world.

There wasn't anything Nazi about the Confederacy, that's true, it did actually predate that. But there's a ton of overlap between neo Nazis and neo Confederates both in terms of arguments and also the actual people. There's a reason those two flags often fly together.

Anyway, I guess if you want to ignore the south literally starting the war, mobilizing, and stealing arsenals, you could also read some primary documentation if you want to learn about what started the Civil War. The cornerstone speech is a good one, and individual state's articles of secession are good as well. You'll find it wasn't because they were scared of the big bad north.

The Snark Queen of Shidei

Havalland wrote:Gonna say this discussion is pointless it’s called the American Civil War and that’s that no need to bring it up like that just to stir up an argument online, seriously have you nothing better to do?
And no I’m not agreeing with the south just simply stating that you’re sounding like children.

Buddy I didn't even start this one

Nor do I care that I sound like a child to you

The Blue Islands of Corindia

Shidei wrote:Buddy I didn't even start this one

Nor do I care that I sound like a child to you

Yeah but you're prepared so it's your fault. Now please return to paying your taxes which disproportionately head into the southern states because they intentionally self sabotage their own populace as they're still loath to do anything that helps black people.

The Blue Islands of Corindia

Shidei do you ever have nightmares about bad things happening in your fish tank?

The Dominion of Nhoor

Corindia wrote:Yeah but you're prepared so it's your fault. Now please return to paying your taxes which disproportionately head into the southern states because they intentionally self sabotage their own populace as they're still loath to do anything that helps black people.

Corindia wrote:Shidei do you ever have nightmares about bad things happening in your fish tank?

In this context that almost sounds like a threat :)

Segentova, Athara magarat, and Shidei

The Snark Queen of Shidei

Corindia wrote:Shidei do you ever have nightmares about bad things happening in your fish tank?

Any time a fish dies I get super paranoid that the entire tank is going to collapse and I'll have to start again

The Sarcasm King of Segentova

Hohoho, man. Southern Norway is a weird place. :^)

The Blue Islands of Corindia

Nhoor wrote:In this context that almost sounds like a threat :)

No I literally had the most scary dreams about horrifying nudibranches invading my tank and eating my snails and fish! I had to check on them as soon as I woke up

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