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Zaratov wrote:

I don't think anyone believes gun control would fully stop these shootings, or even come close to it, but it would certainly help. To pretend that the insane amount of guns among the American populace has nothing to do with the issue of mass shootings in that country is crazy to me. America is an outlier on guns, period. The US has the highest number of guns of any country in the world, and the #2 spot isn't even close. Other countries suffer from the same issues (mental health, wealth inequality, etc.) that it has been argued also contribute to these shootings, yet they occur so much less frequently outside the US. Why?

You're setting up a false dichotomy where we either allow guns fully, or not at all and totally disarm the working class. There is clearly a workable point somewhere in between, because you are still allowed to own a gun in most countries where these mass shootings happen so rarely, the process to get one is just more rigorous. In Texas, for example, there is more oversight on owning and driving a car than buying and owning a firearm. To me, there is something deeply wrong there.

Its only setting up a false dichotomy if you believe in the validity of the middle position, which I do not. And you are missing the point anyway. The point is not "Gun control cant reduce gun violence and instances of mass shootings", because you wont get any debate from me that it can and does. The point is "Gun control is not the correct tactical position for Leftists to take within America".

Do you believe that in a revolutionary situation the existing gun control regulations of Europe will help or hinder a revolutionary Leftist movement?

Do you trust a bourgeoisie government (any really, but the US especially) to not use the regulations against Leftists? (Keeping in mind that gun control was initially supported to keep guns out of the hands of the Black Panthers and other communities of color in America)

Hell for that matter, do you trust a bourgeoisie government to not to use regulations against disadvantaged communities of any stripe, Leftist or otherwise?

Where do you draw the line on regulations, and what practical items are you prepared to deprive future revolutionaries of? Automatic weapons that are so formidable they can get agents of the state to shake in their boots for an hour? Bump stocks that allow you to maintain accuracy against a police force that is equipped like the military?

Biotopia wrote:

The Buffalo gunman was shot by the store security guard, but he was wearing armour. Following this line of thinking leads to the full militarisation of civil society, just to uphold some cruddy misconstrued law held up as if it’s sacred.

Who gives a sh*t about the Constitution here? This is about correct Leftist positions from a revolutionary tactical standpoint. People can miss me with any right wing talking points blathering on about the Second Amendment. (Not saying you are doing that, but just as a general position)

Biotopia wrote:

I am from a country that had multiple mass shootings, until the government cracked down after an especially bad incident. We have never had a mass shooting since. I would rather live in a society without mass shootings or militarisation of civil society. Very few revolutions failed because of a lack of weapons, most failed because of poor organisation. Revolution will happen with or without you hoarding arms individually. Revolutionary success requires doing hard organisational work, sadly most leftists aren’t willing to do that in real life.

While I dont entirely disagree, organization is an absolutely critical part revolutions, I feel it also misses a critical point. While most revolutions that fail fail because of lack of organization, of the revolutions that have succeeded, NONE of them succeeded without force of arms. Organization without the ability to back it up with force is doomed to failure. And not only that, but a chunk of that organization starts with individual revolutionaries commitment to gun ownership and training and the formation of Leftist militias. There has been a lot of talk about militias from other members in the comments above, but people dont seem to fully accept the idea that those militias are actually made up of Leftists who own guns and have trained with them. People have to actually be ready to commit to the idea if its going to become a reality.

Id also like to bring some quick attention to a comment from over on the North Korea RMB: page=display_region_rmb/region=north_korea?postid=47685078 which I think adds nuance to the discussion, especially with some thoughts on gun ownership in a liberated socialist society.

Comradeland wrote:

Who gives a sh*t about the Constitution here? This is about correct Leftist positions from a revolutionary tactical standpoint. People can miss me with any right wing talking points blathering on about the Second Amendment. (Not saying you are doing that, but just as a general position)

I have no idea what you’re trying to say to me, but it came across as quite aggressive.

A successful Revolution ultimately needs to be able to defend itself from violence, yes. However, only a combination of good luck and pre-revolutionary work will secure the opportunity to have a Revolution to defend. The majority of that work is doing what can be done to prepare the way for what follows. Not practising defending what hasn’t happened. I am not stating this is your position, only reaffirming my own. Violence causes moral injury to all, and it warps revolutions. I do not believe it should be treated as an inherent positive or romanticised in revolutionary discourse.

Biotopia wrote:

I have no idea what you’re trying to say to me, but it came across as quite aggressive.

Apologies for that. I assumed the "just to uphold some cruddy misconstrued law held up as if it’s sacred." part of your post was in relation to the Second Amendment, the law frequently used to defend gun ownership and resistance to gun control in America. I just wanted to be really clear that my position is in no way is tied to the US Constitution, or any supposed "rights" it guarantees.

Biotopia wrote:

A successful Revolution ultimately needs to be able to defend itself from violence, yes. However, only a combination of good luck and pre-revolutionary work will secure the opportunity to have a Revolution to defend. The majority of that work is doing what can be done to prepare the way for what follows. Not practising defending what hasn’t happened. I am not stating this is your position, only reaffirming my own. Violence causes moral injury to all, and it warps revolutions. I do not believe it should be treated as an inherent positive or romanticised in revolutionary discourse.

Revolutions are inherently violent processes where one class supplants another. If it was possible that the bourgeoisie would liquidate themselves as a class peacefully and equalize things for themselves and workers then there would be no need to discuss violence. But we all know that will never happen.

Still, I really do agree with your statement with not making violence out to be an inherent positive, and especially not romanticized. I look at it as a practical inevitability due to the realities of class structure and the realities of changing that structure (cant slowly blow up a bomb afterall). And what a revolutionary organization needs to do to be prepared for that inevitability.

Best way to stop gun violence is to go back to stone age. No gun there, no gun violence.

I have achieved the lowest apathy points since my nation was established. Also changed the flag. The flag was Australian Aboriginal flag in style of Donetsk Oblast flag, but I can interpret it as a sun of socialism.

AnPrimus wrote:

Best way to stop gun violence is to go back to stone age. No gun there, no gun violence.

AnPrimus would clearly, obviously make a great leader. I propose that we vote for AnPrimus as secretary of TLA

Hindutva is fascism wrote:

Let's just put all the guns into a melting pot and force all the people to do the same thing and leave their jobs, making the economy worthless and the people hungry. Also make the farmers doing that, creating a man made famine killing millions of people.

The only reason that all those people left their jobs is because China was trying to literally melt down basically all metallic objects in the possession of people, meanwhile it had a non-existent industrial base which meant that to do so required tens of millions of people leaving their jobs to do it. Modern "technologically developed" nations, such as the U.S, are much more industrialized than China was in the Fifties and Sixties, and also have much more automation; this, coupled with the more specific objective of melting down only guns deemed "illegal", means it realistically would not require 10,000,000+ people to leave their jobs. Further, what also contributed to the failure of the "melting pot" scheme in China was how rushed it was for something so large in scope; that's not necessary in a country like the U.S., which generally has had programs that last at least a decade.

Of course, the only glaring issue with all this is the fact that the U.S. government can't/won't do jack-sh** and is a neo-liberal bourgeoisie morass.

On the current gun debate going on here, I think this is an article that is quite interesting and worthwhile to read: https://socialistrevolution.org/socialism-and-gun-control/

Comradeland wrote:

In light of the most recent mass shooting in America, I want to bring up a somewhat uncomfortable topic, gun control.

I believe it is imperative that communists not fall to liberalism on this matter. Gun control can not stop the pervasive rot of American society. The attacker could have used a god damn spear for all that it mattered when the cops sit outside for 40 minutes, the bunch of parasites. Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.

Gun ownership and training should be essential for every communist in my eyes, conditions permitting. I own a firearm and commit to that idea. And none of that adventurist nonsense, this isnt Hollywood or a LARP event.

What are the regional thoughts towards gun ownership?

All it took was one school shooting in the UK Now we have a licensing system and health checks every 2 years it's never happened since. If anything like this happened in America though the right would go mental. They'll say it's an excuse for home invasion or something stupid.

American Soviet Confederation wrote:

AnPrimus would clearly, obviously make a great leader. I propose that we vote for AnPrimus as secretary of TLA

Monkeys are inferior to Cybernetic Lenin.

The soviet worker wrote:

I would like to see assault weapons banned

THE LIBERAL STRIKES AGAIN!!1!

Northfell wrote:

Monkeys are inferior to Cybernetic Lenin.

THE LIBERAL STRIKES AGAIN!!1!

You are sounding suspiciously similar to a far-left Ben Shapiro

Replace cops with armed Kurdish grandmothers and everyone will be safe.

Rojava wrote:

Replace cops with armed Kurdish grandmothers and everyone will be safe.

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Here are the results for the Cabinet Appreciation Poll:

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Unity in Diversity,
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Ghillemear wrote:

9 people answered the survey.

Sorry about the non Response i meant to answer the Survey, but i got distracted and forgot, hopefully i'll remember to next time

I revived Jyapin

NSLeft Game Night!

Comrades,

We welcome one and all to an NSLeft Game Night that will be hosted in the NSLeft Discord server (https://discord.gg/2CSY4ve) on Saturday, 11 June 2022. Starting at 5 PM UTC (1 PM EDT), we will gather in #nsleft-voice and decide what game will kick off the night from a list of usual suspects – and maybe some unusual ones!

If anyone does feel fairly strongly about playing a specific game, or organizing a game around a specific time, make sure to let us know in #foyer 🙂

RSVP here to be notified when NSLeft Game Night begins: https://discord.com/events/224015715299098625/981016565204025375

Organized by North american republics

idk what an "nsleft" is but it sounds cool

In other news, I've appointed some of our new ambassadors! These include:
- Bikini bottom-squidward trap house as ambassador to North Korea;
- Vicitania as ambassador to the Libertarian Socialist Confederation; and
- Yours truly (New samon) as ambassador to Anarchy

Anyhow, I hope to see some STRONG TLA representation during this NSLeft game night. Show TCB who the boss really is.

New samon wrote:

idk what an "nsleft" is but it sounds cool

In other news, I've appointed some of our new ambassadors! These include:
- Bikini bottom-squidward trap house as ambassador to North Korea;
- Vicitania as ambassador to the Libertarian Socialist Confederation; and
- Yours truly (New samon) as ambassador to Anarchy

Anyhow, I hope to see some STRONG TLA representation during this NSLeft game night. Show TCB who the boss really is.

TCB is crang

Apes together strong.

There's many eerie similarities between Indian and European languages. In Hindi, Maharaja is the word for emperor, and in Latin it can be translated as Magna Rex.

1 billion population LETS GOOO!

Remandia wrote:

1 billion population LETS GOOO!

Im 48 million away <:(