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I would like to encourage everyone to read the posts about this issue and look online for resources.

This is not an issue that any of us should get to ignore or choose to remove ourselves from. On NS we make hypothetical situations all the time, putting a lot of effort into them. I myself have written paragraph and paragraphs or meaningless details about cobble stone streets or the painting on a teapot. But police brutality and institutional racism is not hypothetical - it is very real. It's not something that those effected and killed by have a choice on.

NS is full of ideas that work just like privilege. Don't want to be involved in an RP? You have the choice to opt out. Don't like what is said in a post? You have the choice not to read it.

In real life, it's much the same. Those with privilege can "opt-out" of social responsibility, they can choose to remove themselves from issues like institutional racism and police brutality. I hope that we can all recognize that, and the immense privilege we have when it comes to an online platform like NS. I hope that we will not stray away from having the discussion, and supporting positively and contributing to movements for racial equality and anti-racism/police-brutality movements.

^I agree, opting out is the only thing that we seem to be doing nowadays. And believe me, I...Always seem to skirt around important topics, people say it's good diplomacy. I wonder...

Protests against violence are justified as long as they themselves don't turn violent. Same goes for other kinds. But, having said that, what Avalonia says isn't wrong. Remember, peaceful protests turn violent only when there is violence against the protesters. We're just like animals. Provoke a human being, and that human being will do everything they can to return it, often in excess.

New Camelot of Avalonia wrote:

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To be honest, you should make a forum post on what you just typed into this RMB. Would make for more meaningful discussion (and input) if you did that.

Nationific wrote:

Protests against violence are justified as long as they themselves don't turn violent. Same goes for other kinds. But, having said that, what Avalonia says isn't wrong. Remember, peaceful protests turn violent only when there is violence against the protesters. We're just like animals. Provoke a human being, and that human being will do everything they can to return it, often in excess.

Yes Protests against violence are justified. All protests are justified. People have the right to protest what ever the hell they want and I will always support their right to do so. However what is happening now is not a protest. It is a violent, dangerous, and pointless riot. This riot was peaceful for all about 10 minutes before people started to start fires and beat business owners. Also I don’t necessarily disagree with everything Avalonia said. Mainly I just disapprove of his comment that these riots are 100% justified. Beating innocents and burning private property is most definitely not justified.

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Come on, it's not like the police open fired into a crowd and they defended themselves. They've been rioting since day 1.

Kalderisara wrote:

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Come on, it's not like the police open fired into a crowd and they defended themselves. They've been rioting since day 1.

Ah, did I forget to add that we human beings just love the idea of violence?

A debate! I smell a debate!

The United Nations of Kvenland wrote:

Yes Protests against violence are justified. All protests are justified. People have the right to protest what ever the hell they want and I will always support their right to do so. However what is happening now is not a protest. It is a violent, dangerous, and pointless riot. This riot was peaceful for all about 10 minutes before people started to start fires and beat business owners. Also I don’t necessarily disagree with everything Avalonia said. Mainly I just disapprove of his comment that these riots are 100% justified. Beating innocents and burning private property is most definitely not justified.

Riots don't justify protests. They're a twisted, perverted form of 'protest' and that's all I'll say before there's a riot on the RMB.

*sniffs*

Is that the smell of flam(ing)?

Mornicoder wrote:

*sniffs*

Is that the smell of flam(ing)?

No, that's the truth. We'll have a debate! Why don't you join in? I love the idea of being constantly lashed about for my opinions. Everyone likes that.

Nationific wrote:

No, that's the truth. We'll have a debate! Why don't you join in? I love the idea of being constantly lashed about for my opinions. Everyone likes that.

Well there’s a difference between a debate and a political conversation. Debates are typically ineffective because in a debate both sides simply want to win and are unwilling to listen to or learn from the other side. It’s the reason why many political podcasts are becoming more popular among people, because in many podcasts they actually talk and listen to each other instead of trying to win. Sadly however it’s much harder to have a well mannered political conversation on a text based forum. I don’t know what it is but on text based sites people just tend to become more aggressive and more unwilling to listen. I myself have fallen prey to this many times by being unwilling to listen to the person I’m chatting with.

The United Nations of Kvenland wrote:

Well there’s a difference between a debate and a political conversation. Debates are typically ineffective because in a debate both sides simply want to win and are unwilling to listen to or learn from the other side. It’s the reason why many political podcasts are becoming more popular among people, because in many podcasts they actually talk and listen to each other instead of trying to win. Sadly however it’s much harder to have a well mannered political conversation on a text based forum. I don’t know what it is but on text based sites people just tend to become more aggressive and more unwilling to listen. I myself have fallen prey to this many times by being unwilling to listen to the person I’m chatting with.

Don't worry, I'm more willing to read than to write. See what comes out of me writing...

To quote the King,

Martin Luther King wrote:

A riot is the language of the unheard.

Qvait wrote:

To quote the King,

I obviously never knew MLK personally so I don’t wanna say that I have any right to speak for him but I don’t think he would really approve of these riots. If MLK were to have ever rioted which to my knowledge he never did, he would not have gone around and burned the businesses of his fellow black men and hurt innocents. MLK was a peaceful, great, and wise man. I doubt he’d agree with this form of a riot.

What monsters have we become?

like 4 police and fire trucks went by my house an hour ago turns out they are burning a bunch of stores on the west coast too, in my town

Baltic nrc wrote:

like 4 police and fire trucks went by my house an hour ago turns out they are burning a bunch of stores on the west coast too, in my town

Stay safe

Nationific wrote:

Stay safe

will try to thx

Hope everyone is okay out there. Keep calm and carry on, as best you can. :3

The United Nations of Kvenland wrote:

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Dude just no.

These “protests” are not justified, not okay, and not useful. Innocent people are being beaten and nearly killed in the streets by protestors. Business owners many of whom are black are having their business burned to the ground and being beaten for trying to defend them. Rioters are yelling racist remarks about how they will kill all whites and police.

These riots started being violent almost immediately. The violence was not instigated by some secret underground white supremacy group. It was instigated by the protestors themselves and no one else.

The police officer who unlawfully kneeled on the mans neck was immediately condemned by every person in America. His own wife divorced him. The president started an investigation immediately and sided with the black man. The police officer has now been charged with third degree murder and the other officers involved will likely face similar charges soon enough. Who the heck are these protestors protesting against? Are they protesting the so called “Secret Underground White Supremacy Group” that every right wing guy is secretly part of? Well sorry to tell you but it doesn't exist. They are protesting the boogie man and failing at it.

Even if the government was secretly racist how does that justify burning private property? A lot of it is owned by black people. Or harming innocent citizens who try to stop you from burning crap.

Just a few weeks ago the left was condemning the peaceful anti-lockdown protests saying that by gathering together they might be a threat to everyone’s health. But now it’s suddenly okay to leave your homes be in close proximity to each other and go around destroying private property and beating people up?

Also side note. Colin K. was not made into a villain. People didn’t think he was evil or something. They just disagreed that kneeling for the national anthem was a good way to protest. They thought it was somewhat disrespectful and wanted Colin to protest in another form. Also a lot sports fans just didn’t like politics being involved with a game. I was one of those angry sports fans.

I’m fine with people saying that the American police force has some issues that need solving. I’m willing to hear your proposals for helping it but I am not gonna sit here and let you say that these protests are a good thing. People are being beaten in the streets and having their business burned to the ground for nothing.

I totally agree with you, buddy. After seeing so much looting and hellraising, I can't help but to think if people aren't just looking for an excuse to destroy things and express their hatred. Because burning, beating and pillaging doesn't change anything, at all. In fact, it just forces the police officers to be yet more violent.

While I admit that the police has serious flaws, they absolutely do not justify what these rioters are doing.

And I'd also like to point out that, in my humble opinion, this discussion should be conducted elsewhere, not here in RMB. I think this space should be reserved for roleplaying. I respect all who think otherwise, though.

Destroying private property is a crime as it is killing someone

The space isn’t reserved for roleplaying, hence why [RP] tags are required. Not everyone can/does take part in the discord, so this is a multipurpose hub.

burning building wont bring that man back
just like bombing Afghanistan didn't bring back twin towers.

Who the hell is gonna listen to a bunch of 'nerds' who supposedly don't know anything about the 'real world'?
I'd like to make a point. Human beings just want an excuse to be violent. Personal opinion, though.
And, before you say anything about the first comment, let me tell you, this platform serves only to make people aware. It is the people behind the flags, the real people, who must bring about a change. Not fictional nations.
I know I'm being hypocritical, I seriously am in no position to bring about real change anytime soon, but I believe that if we persuade those who are in such a position, change is bound to happen. That's why I'm so actively spewing rants.

As you watch what's unfolding, remember: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.