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Monkelandd

does anyone know why Epsilon was ejected?

Zentata

Monkelandd wrote:does anyone know why Epsilon was ejected?

Looks like they were in breach of WA rules by having more then one WA Nation. You'd need to ask Sho for the exact reason though.

Nationific, Toerana vii, Monkelandd, and Portugal and great britannia

The Commonwealth of Federated Commonwealth of Selstville

Esslea wrote:About the pride trend, did you know that Taiwan is the first Asian country to legalize homosexual marrage?
The Judicial Yuan ruled that barring people of the same sex marrying each other was unconstitutional last May.

Yes! If only more governments were open minded and not bound for conservatism.

Nationific, Ayeinc, Zentata, and Monkelandd

The Imperial Welfare Union of New Camelot of Avalonia

El Hierro wrote:And the more they destroy, the more likely it is that the army will be called. And Trump is not gonna negotiate with people that burn down buildings. And he already is ignorant.

They should have kept it peaceful because you don’t gain anything with ‘war’. You can only lose.

In Boston, it was peaceful until the police began violence and white people (who were obviously not there to take part in the peaceful protests) began instigating more violence.

It is the same in many other cities, as protests are made violent by the police and by white supremacist instigators who know that it won’t be white people who suffer from the effect of violence in the protests.

Kelazi, Nationific, and Monkelandd

Toerana vii

Toerana vii wrote:S2:
"(3) Both parties agree that the deployment of military forces on opposing sides, in a region that is not the home region nor possession of the other is not a violation of this treaty."
So we don't fight eachother except when we are allowed to fight eachother outside of each others controlled regions?
EDIT: - Before Wym gives me a text wall about how common this clause is in other agreements, I am aware of this, but it would take a drastic change of both Thalassian and Lazerene Military policy to make this a useful clause, although multiple parties have already explained the purpose of the clause.
S2"
"(2) Both parties pledge to not knowingly conspire to or raid or otherwise attack....."
If I am not mistaken, this is not correct English. I would have expected Legislation to be proof read before a discussion period is opened.
S5:
"(1) Both parties recognize the close relationship and friendship between them."
Surely this should be the preamble, I don't see how an entire clause is necessary when he Preamble states, "Desiring friendship between Lazarus and Thalassia, both parties hereby ratify this treaty."
Instead of the preamble stating that we "desire" friendship, it should clearly state that the purpose of this treaty is friendship.
S3:
If we are going to number the sub sections of section 5, it should at least be consistent and have done within Section 3 as well.

Sections 3 and 4 could be merged into "Cooperation", have seperate sections which only contain 1 clause each doesn't make a massive amount of sense to me when they could be relatively easily located in the same section.

Overall, I think it could be written much better, and I believe there has been a lack of care that went into the drafting process, leading to the multiple simple errors in the treaty itself.

Bump

The discussion period is coming to a close and this is yet to be answered

The United Nations of Kvenland, Nationific, Monkelandd, and New khalifa

Coalandia

dear lord downtown houston is a god awful mess. and i live 30 minutes away.

The People's Kingdom of The United Nations of Kvenland

New Camelot of Avalonia wrote:In Boston, it was peaceful until the police began violence and white people (who were obviously not there to take part in the peaceful protests) began instigating more violence.

It is the same in many other cities, as protests are made violent by the police and by white supremacist instigators who know that it won’t be white people who suffer from the effect of violence in the protests.

I can agree that it was mostly instigated by young white idiots, though there were some black instigators. However it was not instigated by secret white supremacy members or the police. It was instigated by dumb Antifa members. The police did not directly involve themselves until the protestors started burning business and assaulting police officers. Also white people are definitely suffering because of this. Many whites are having their business burned to the ground and being beaten in the streets. If what you mean is that this protest will give black people a bad name then I’d some what agree with you. Those people who choose not to look into it may have a worse opinion of black people but I’d argue that people who look at pictures of the protestors for more then 5 seconds will realize that a lot of them are white. Also I don’t think anyones dumb enough to blame black people as an entire race for the riots. The riots can not be blamed on an entire race of people.

Nationific, El Hierro, and New khalifa

Monkelandd

Toerana vii wrote:Bump

The discussion period is coming to a close and this is yet to be answered

I agree. Your concerns must be addressed.

The United Nations of Kvenland, Toerana vii, and New khalifa

The Apparently Emperor Palpatine of Sho

Monkelandd wrote:does anyone know why Epsilon was ejected?

Zentata wrote:Looks like they were in breach of WA rules by having more then one WA Nation. You'd need to ask Sho for the exact reason though.

^ Breaking the site’s WA rules. It’s not an outright ban in this case, since it wasn’t used to double up their vote in Thalassia like in previous cases, but it’s still not tolerable given how many warnings people are given against doing so.

The United Nations of Kvenland, Nationific, Ayeinc, Zentata, and 1 otherMonkelandd

The final sith order

Sho wrote:^ Breaking the site’s WA rules. It’s not an outright ban in this case, since it wasn’t used to double up their vote in Thalassia like in previous cases, but it’s still not tolerable given how many warnings people are given against doing so.

Alright sho, I have to say this to you.

Don’t suppress this right away, please read.

I noticed you blocked me from sending you Telegrams? Hmm, if your going to ignore me because of my opinion then hear this.
I agree with you on police brutality. We need to stop it, but we also need to stop those pesky white supremacists that cause the riots. They will do anything to a extreme degree and burn cities to rubble.

Hey, I am a Slav and a mix of Asian and these people hate my kind. Can’t you expand your donations to supporting victims of extreme police brutality and help the people that got their hometown burned by these very white supremacists?

Please. Do it for the Slavs. The Gypsies. The African Americans.
You are already doing it for the African Americans, but also why not for the Latinos? The asians? You know, everyone that is not a white person?
Not only police brutality ruined our cities, but that riots are harming our people that have a right to protest.

Laeden, Nationific, Portugal and great britannia, Hopal ii, and 1 otherNew khalifa

Zentata

Toerana vii wrote:Bump

The discussion period is coming to a close and this is yet to be answered

Were your questions not answered on the discord? I saw you had a conversation about it there.

Toerana vii

The Federal Republic of Clarkstan

RP

Today, June 1, the state of emergency in the Federal Republic of Clarkstan was lifted,thus a victory over the B-20 pandemic was achieved. There were a total of 1,270 cases of infection, no new infections for 7 days, 210 active and 445 recovered.Borders have been opened and new tourist routes are being set up.The Ministry of Culture and Tourism is interested in establishing air communication as well as tourism with:
1. Zeneslav
2. Coalandia
3. Federated Commonwealth of Selstville
4. Ayenic
5. Conklandi
6. Nationific
7. Veaetmar
8. Esslea

The People's Kingdom of The United Nations of Kvenland

The final sith order wrote:Alright sho, I have to say this to you.

Don’t suppress this right away, please read.

I noticed you blocked me from sending you Telegrams? Hmm, if your going to ignore me because of my opinion then hear this.
I agree with you on police brutality. We need to stop it, but we also need to stop those pesky white supremacists that cause the riots. They will do anything to a extreme degree and burn cities to rubble.

Hey, I am a Slav and a mix of Asian and these people hate my kind. Can’t you expand your donations to supporting victims of extreme police brutality and help the people that got their hometown burned by these very white supremacists?

Please. Do it for the Slavs. The Gypsies. The African Americans.
You are already doing it for the African Americans, but also why not for the Latinos? The asians? You know, everyone that is not a white person?
Not only police brutality ruined our cities, but that riots are harming our people that have a right to protest.

The riots weren’t started by a secret underground white supremacy group. They were started by dangerous and violent Antifa members. Also I’ve gotta ask why don’t you wanna donate money to the white people who have had their business burned to the ground and have been beaten in the street for trying to defend them?

Nationific and New khalifa

Post by The final sith order suppressed by Sho.

The final sith order

The United Nations of Kvenland wrote:The riots weren’t started by a secret underground white supremacy group. They were started by dangerous and violent Antifa members. Also I’ve gotta ask why don’t you wanna donate money to the white people who have had their business burned to the ground and have been beaten in the street for trying to defend them?

Oh. Right. Forgot bout the Antifa.
But you got to know that it’s not groups that started it. Only a couple of extremists started it. They are both ANTIFA and White supremacists.

Now you sounding like one to me.

I will be here to answer to some replies, I am only here because I am correcting or something.

By the way, I don’t have that much freedom with my money.

The Apparently Emperor Palpatine of Sho

Yeah, that’s not even remotely close to the energy of your telegrams. Don’t try to circumvent blocks, please.

Kelazi and Zentata

Hopal ii

The United Nations of Kvenland wrote:The riots weren’t started by a secret underground white supremacy group. They were started by dangerous and violent Antifa members.

Disclaimer: I am a Canadian so obviously I am not there and on the front lines and much of what I have heard are from Canadian news sources so you might get your sources elsewhere and also please don't take this personally I just thought I put in my input

Antifa members are very hard to define as it is not a solid organization so you can easily classify any protester as part of antifa so I hope you can see that peaceful protesters who just want justice not anarchy can be labeled as violent antifa members. While many people who classy themselves as part of antifa are often violent the majority of protesters are peaceful and the rioters are in the minority.
Also Kvenland you seem to be very defensive of white supremacists who are the reason things like the killing of George Floyd happens.

The People's Kingdom of The United Nations of Kvenland

The final sith order wrote:Oh. Right. Forgot bout the Antifa.
But you got to know that it’s not groups that started it. Only a couple of extremists started it. They are both ANTIFA and White supremacists.

Now you sounding like one to me.

I will be here to answer to some replies, I am only here because I am correcting or something.

By the way, I don’t have that much freedom with my money.

Dude that is just plainly rude. You don’t know anything about me. You don’t know my political beliefs, my social beliefs, or my moral beliefs. Do not go and call me a white f*cking supremacy member. That is extremely rude to simply call someone a white supremacist simply because you disagree with them. Call me a white supremacist one more time and I’ll start calling you a nazi or commie. Do not demonize your opponent for no reason. Also it wasn’t a few extremists, it was started by many violent people who all wanted to riot.

Hopal ii
When was I defensive of white supremacists? Do not try to claim things that aren’t happening. White supremacists can go burn in hell for all I care. You know who else can go burn in hell? The antifa members who started these riots.

Zentata

The Apparently Emperor Palpatine of Sho

Anyone that starts name calling is going to get a time out, period.

We’re not going to start casually throwing around white supremacist, nazi, commie, or anything of that sort in what should be a constructive conversation. Y’all are better than that.

The United Nations of Kvenland, Nationific, Veaetmar, Monkelandd, and 1 otherThe 3nd german republic

Post by The sith hold suppressed by Sho.

The sith hold

What happened here?
My brother is mad because of this region.
What and why did it happen??

Hopal ii

The United Nations of Kvenland wrote:

Hopal ii
When was I defensive of white supremacists? Do not try to claim things that aren’t happening. White supremacists can go burn in hell for all I care. You know who else can go burn in hell? The antifa members who started these riots.

I do agree that the people who are rioting they need to stop, they need to be arrested. All I am saying is that we can't call these people ANTIFA members as it isn't an organization which is also why we can't call it a terrorist organization. But rather since ANTIFA is a movement we should call them part of the ANTIFA movement. Not all rioters are part of the ANTIFA movement and not all the people part of the ANTIFA movement are rioting. So saying all of the rioters are part of the ANTIFA movement is wrong and this kind of labelling can lead to labelling peaceful protesters. And suddenly we are arresting peaceful protesters because they are suspected of being part of the ANTIFA movement when all they did was peacefully protest the killing of George Floyd.
Again I agree with you that we should denounce the ANTIFA movement for being violent and that we should arrest the rioters. But we really shouldn't be labelling people.

Monkelandd

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Yeetus despacitotooo

hello fellow members

Who likes great memes???
Like who loves Roblox memes?
Also why is the RMB dark?

Ok dokey

L O C K E Y

Post by Yeetus despacitotooo suppressed by Sho.

Yeetus despacitotooo

Hello? Anybody there?

The Apparently Emperor Palpatine of Sho

Please don’t double post.


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Monkelandd and Portugal and great britannia

Post by Yeetus despacitotooo suppressed by Sho.

Yeetus despacitotooo

Sho wrote:Please don’t double post.

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Read dispatch

ok dokey.
I got to ask though, there is someone I know and he texted me that he doesn’t like this region. He claimed he got kicked for no reason at all. But I think he is just being an whiny kid. Can you tell me why so I can save my eyes from looking at such whiny comments? He is very annoying.
I think he got kicked for a reason.

Coalandia

Yeetus despacitotooo wrote:hello fellow members

Who likes great memes???
Like who loves Roblox memes?
Also why is the RMB dark?

Ok dokey

L O C K E Y

It's complicated. but i assure you it's not always like this.

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