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The Центральна Республика of Reberydinigzadaland

Libertarian Union of Canada wrote:I second this bill (any assembly member can second, right?)

Yes, any member of the Regional Assembly may second a bill.

The Центральна Республика of Reberydinigzadaland

Reberydinigzadaland wrote:Regional Bill #8: The Judiciary Act
Purpose: To establish procedure for the Goldenfolk Tribunal, and to clarify what the tribunal is composed of, and to establish procedures for Tribunal Nominations.

Article 1: Composition and Procedure of the Goldenfolk Tribunal

1. The Goldenfolk Tribune shall be composed of one Chief Tribune, with the other tribunes being Associate Tribunes.

1.a. The Chief Tribune shall be elected from amongst the Tribunes of the Goldenfolk Tribunal, by the Tribunes of the Goldenfolk Tribunal.

1.a.i. The Chief Tribune shall serve a 6 month term, with terms ending on the 31st of January and July respectively.

1.a.ii. Elections for Chief Tribune shall take place on the 29th-30th of January, and the 29th-30th of July.

1.a.iii All Tribunes may announce their candidacy for Chief Tribune on the 28th of January and July respectively.

2. The Goldenfolk Tribunal shall publish the opinions of both positions on a ruling.

2.a. The Chief Tribune shall have the responsibility of authoring the opinion of themself, and of any Associate Tribunes who should share their position on a ruling.

2.b. Otherwise the Chief Tribune’s position, an Associate Tribune shall have the responsibility of authoring the opinion of themself, and of any Associate Tribunes who should share their position on a ruling.

2.b.i. The Associate Justice charged with the responsibility, shall be elected from amongst their respective position; Any tie shall be broken by the President.

Article 2: Nomination Voting Procedure

1. If multiple individuals are nominated to join the Goldenfolk Tribunal, each nominee shall be voted on in parallel, so as to give each member of the assembly a choice on each.

1.a. The nominations shall receive 1-3 days of voting, as decided by the presiding speaker.

2. If a nominee is rejected, and their nomination has failed, then they cannot be nominated again for 4 weeks, or until the next RGBN election.

Debate has now ended. Voting will now start and last 3 days. 
Respond to this message whether you vote Aye, Nay or Abstain to the bill currently on the Assembly floor.

The Центральна Республика of Reberydinigzadaland

Reberydinigzadaland wrote:Debate has now ended. Voting will now start and last 3 days. 
Respond to this message whether you vote Aye, Nay or Abstain to the bill currently on the Assembly floor.

Aye.

The Grozzer Theokratiske Reik of Krovx Belgium

Reberydinigzadaland wrote:Debate has now ended. Voting will now start and last 3 days. 
Respond to this message whether you vote Aye, Nay or Abstain to the bill currently on the Assembly floor.

Nay.

The Empire of Mira Hetonika

Reberydinigzadaland wrote:Debate has now ended. Voting will now start and last 3 days. 
Respond to this message whether you vote Aye, Nay or Abstain to the bill currently on the Assembly floor.

Nay

The Rēspublica Ūnita of Lignuntia

Reberydinigzadaland wrote:Debate has now ended. Voting will now start and last 3 days. 
Respond to this message whether you vote Aye, Nay or Abstain to the bill currently on the Assembly floor.

Nay.

The Community of Kent Valley

Reberydinigzadaland wrote:Debate has now ended. Voting will now start and last 3 days. 
Respond to this message whether you vote Aye, Nay or Abstain to the bill currently on the Assembly floor.

Nay

The Gallic Republic of Libertarian Union of Canada

Reberydinigzadaland wrote:Debate has now ended. Voting will now start and last 3 days. 
Respond to this message whether you vote Aye, Nay or Abstain to the bill currently on the Assembly floor.

Nay.

The Центральна Республика of Reberydinigzadaland

Reberydinigzadaland wrote:Regional Bill #8: The Judiciary Act
Purpose: To establish procedure for the Goldenfolk Tribunal, and to clarify what the tribunal is composed of, and to establish procedures for Tribunal Nominations.

Article 1: Composition and Procedure of the Goldenfolk Tribunal

1. The Goldenfolk Tribune shall be composed of one Chief Tribune, with the other tribunes being Associate Tribunes.

1.a. The Chief Tribune shall be elected from amongst the Tribunes of the Goldenfolk Tribunal, by the Tribunes of the Goldenfolk Tribunal.

1.a.i. The Chief Tribune shall serve a 6 month term, with terms ending on the 31st of January and July respectively.

1.a.ii. Elections for Chief Tribune shall take place on the 29th-30th of January, and the 29th-30th of July.

1.a.iii All Tribunes may announce their candidacy for Chief Tribune on the 28th of January and July respectively.

2. The Goldenfolk Tribunal shall publish the opinions of both positions on a ruling.

2.a. The Chief Tribune shall have the responsibility of authoring the opinion of themself, and of any Associate Tribunes who should share their position on a ruling.

2.b. Otherwise the Chief Tribune’s position, an Associate Tribune shall have the responsibility of authoring the opinion of themself, and of any Associate Tribunes who should share their position on a ruling.

2.b.i. The Associate Justice charged with the responsibility, shall be elected from amongst their respective position; Any tie shall be broken by the President.

Article 2: Nomination Voting Procedure

1. If multiple individuals are nominated to join the Goldenfolk Tribunal, each nominee shall be voted on in parallel, so as to give each member of the assembly a choice on each.

1.a. The nominations shall receive 1-3 days of voting, as decided by the presiding speaker.

2. If a nominee is rejected, and their nomination has failed, then they cannot be nominated again for 4 weeks, or until the next RGBN election.

Voting has ended.
Tally
Aye: 1
Abstain: 0
Nay: 5
Bill has failed.

The Центральна Республика of Reberydinigzadaland

Mira Hetonika wrote:RGBN Regional Bill 9: Proposal and Passage Restructure Act

Purpose: To solidify and improve the process through which future regional bills are proposed and codified into law.

Be it enacted by the RGBN Regional Assembly that:

Article 1: Terminology

Terms in this bill are defined as the following:
Sponsor - the original writer and proposer of the bill
Second - a statement expressing support for the bill being sent to debate and voting

Article 2: Proposal of Legislation

i. Bills are to be proposed properly formatted on the Regional Assembly Message Board by the sponsor of the bill.

ii. Bills must be seconded by an assemblyperson other than the original sponsor to enter debate and voting.

iii. Following seconding, established process will ensue.

Article 3: Passing of Legislation

i. Bills passed by the Regional Assembly will then be taken to the President to be signed into law or vetoed.

ii. The president or any assemblyperson has the right at any time to call to question whether the bill at debate is constitutional, at which time a debate over the constitutional nature of the bill will be conducted.

iii. Should a bill be declared unconstitutional, it will fail on the spot regardless of if it has been passed in the assembly.

The changes defined here will go into effect immediately upon passage.

Bill has been seconded, debate will start now and last two days.

The Центральна Республика of Reberydinigzadaland

Reberydinigzadaland wrote:Bill has been seconded, debate will start now and last two days.

In my opinion Article 3 brings down this bill. The constitutionality of a bill should be reviewed by the Goldenfolk Tribunal, and clause 1 of article 3 allows the President an infinite amount of time to decide, and therefore unofficially veto a bill (this is also known as a Pocket Veto). Reberydinigzadaland makes no argument against Articles 1 & 2, and if Article 3 is removed in a second version of this bill, Reberydinigzadaland would be in favor. However, with the bill in its current form, Reberydinigzadaland will vote Nay.

The Empire of Mira Hetonika

Reberydinigzadaland wrote:In my opinion Article 3 brings down this bill. The constitutionality of a bill should be reviewed by the Goldenfolk Tribunal, and clause 1 of article 3 allows the President an infinite amount of time to decide, and therefore unofficially veto a bill (this is also known as a Pocket Veto). Reberydinigzadaland makes no argument against Articles 1 & 2, and if Article 3 is removed in a second version of this bill, Reberydinigzadaland would be in favor. However, with the bill in its current form, Reberydinigzadaland will vote Nay.

No current duty is detailed for the Goldenfolk Tribunal or judicial branch as a whole within the constitution. I believe that giving them such a duty would be better suited for a constitutional amendment.

The Центральна Республика of Reberydinigzadaland

Mira Hetonika wrote:No current duty is detailed for the Goldenfolk Tribunal or judicial branch as a whole within the constitution. I believe that giving them such a duty would be better suited for a constitutional amendment.

The Goldenfolk Tribunal fulfills all of the responsibilities of a Judiciary, as it is the Judiciary branch, and a responsibility of the Judiciary is to determine the constitutionality of a law.

The Empire of Mira Hetonika

Reberydinigzadaland wrote:The Goldenfolk Tribunal fulfills all of the responsibilities of a Judiciary, as it is the Judiciary branch, and a responsibility of the Judiciary is to determine the constitutionality of a law.

I disagree. The RGBN judiciary fulfills the duties laid out for the RGBN Judiciary. With no duties laid out, they currently do not have any responsibility.

The Центральна Республика of Reberydinigzadaland

Mira Hetonika wrote:I disagree. The RGBN judiciary fulfills the duties laid out for the RGBN Judiciary. With no duties laid out, they currently do not have any responsibility.

In my eyes it is a judiciary, and shall fulfill its duties as such.

The Community of Kent Valley

Reberydinigzadaland wrote:The Goldenfolk Tribunal fulfills all of the responsibilities of a Judiciary, as it is the Judiciary branch, and a responsibility of the Judiciary is to determine the constitutionality of a law.

Mira Hetonika wrote:No current duty is detailed for the Goldenfolk Tribunal or judicial branch as a whole within the constitution. I believe that giving them such a duty would be better suited for a constitutional amendment.

1. The Judiciary Branch of the RGBN shall consist of a Tribunal, named The Goldenfolk Tribunal, composed of a minimum of 3 Tribunes.
2. The Tribunes shall be nominated by the President and confirmed by a simple majority vote in the Regional Assembly.
3. If there are less than 3 Tribunes, the President must nominate a citizen to the position within 2 weeks.
3.1. The Speaker of The Regional Assembly must start a debate on it within 1 week, the debate must not last more than 3 days, and whenever it ends, the Speaker of the Assembly shall start the voting at a maximum of 1 day after.
4. Tribunes serve until they resign, or are removed.
5. There are two methods to remove of a Tribune;
5.1. The first method of removing a tribune is via a 2/3 majority vote in the Regional Assembly.
5.1.1. The President may veto this action, however a 3/4 majority vote in the Regional Assembly will overturn this veto. After this, the President shall not have the right to veto the removal.
5.2. The second method of removing a tribune is via a request from the President; After the President requests the removal of a tribune, the Regional Assembly only needs a simple majority vote to remove the requested Tribune.
5.2.1. If this method is used, the President may not veto the removal of the requested tribune.

At the moment article J does not give powers to the tribunal other than its existence and how to appoint or remove members of that body. I didn't realize till later that the pre/post amendment to article J did not lay out the powers and duties of the Goldenfolk Tribunal, not even laying out a Chief/President of the Tribunal. compared to the Executive, Legislative, and, Curatorial branches that do have their powers and duties(mostly) laid out.

I recommend an amendment to RB9 Article 3, Clause ii.

Article 3: Passing of Legislation:

i. Bills passed by the Regional Assembly will then be taken to the President to be signed into law or vetoed.

ii. The President or any Assemblyperson has the right at any time to call to question whether the bill at debate is constitutional. Upon the President or any Assemblyperson using this privilege, the speaker is to invite the Goldenfolk Tribunal on the assembly floor to give an opinion on whether the bill in question is constitutional if passed. at which time a debate over the constitutional nature of the bill will be conducted.

iii. Should a bill be declared unconstitutional, it will fail on the spot regardless of if it has been passed in the assembly.

The Community of Kent Valley

Purpose: To layout the powers and duties of The Goldenfolk Tribunal

Article 1: Amendment
I. The Amendment to Article J is as follows:

Article J: The Judiciary Branch
1. The Judiciary Branch of the RGBN shall consist of a Tribunal, named The Goldenfolk Tribunal. , composed of a minimum of 3 Tribunes.
1.1 The Tribunal must be composed of a minimum of 3 Tribunes, as with the number of Tribunes to remain an odd number.
1.2 The Tribunal is led by a Chief Tribune, which is appointed among the Tribunes. The Chief Tribune determines the rules and conduct of the Tribunes and Citizens interacting in and with The Goldenfolk Tribunal

2. The Tribunes shall be nominated by the President and confirmed by a simple majority vote in the Regional Assembly.

3. If there are less than 3 Tribunes, the President must nominate a citizen to the position within 2 weeks.

3.1. The Speaker of The Regional Assembly must start a debate on it within 1 week, the debate must not last more than 3 days, and whenever it ends, the Speaker of the Assembly shall start the voting at a maximum of 1 day after.

4. Tribunes serve until they resign, or are removed.

5. There are three two methods to remove of a Tribune;
5.1. The first method of removing a tribune is via a 2/3 majority vote in the Regional Assembly.
5.1.1. The President may veto this action, however a 3/4 majority vote in the Regional Assembly will overturn this veto. After this, the President shall not have the right to veto the removal.

5.2. The second method of removing a tribune is via a request from the President; After the President requests the removal of a tribune, the Regional Assembly only needs a simple majority vote to remove the requested Tribune.
5.2.1. If this method is used, the President may not veto the removal of the requested tribune.

5.3 The third method of removing a tribune is via the Tribunes among themselves voting to remove the tribune in question.
5.3.1 If this method is used, the President may not veto the removal of the tribune.

6. The Goldenfolk Tribunal's powers and duties:
6.1 Judicial review on the constitutionality of the actions from the branches of Executive Legislative and Curatorial
6.2 Judge and provide verdicts and if needed punishment in Court Cases involving the breaking of law.

Read dispatch

Purpose: To resolve an issue about RGBN Regional Bill numbering

Article 1: Amendment

I. Amends the following on RGBN Regional Bill 1:

Article 1: Definitions
1. Legislation that is introduced to the floor of the Assembly by the Speaker is referred to as RGBN Regional Bill or RB for shorthand.

2. Legislation that passes the Assembly is referred to as RGBN Regional Law or RL for shorthand.

Article 2: 1 Format of a Bills and Laws

1. A Bill shall have the following format:

RGBN Regional Bill [Number of Bill]: [Title of Bill]

Purpose: [The purpose the bill is trying to achieve]

Article [Article Number]: [Article Name]

[Clause Number].

2. The number of bills is determined based upon its introduction to the Assembly floor.

3. Bills passed by the Assembly shall be referred to as RGBN Regional Law With the numbered determined by the oldest passed bill first as RGBN Regional Law 1 and so on.

4. The number of RGBN Regional bills and laws shall remain the same.


II. Upon the passage of this amendment to RGBN Regional Bill 1, the format changes will apply retroactively.

Read dispatch

The Grozzer Theokratiske Reik of Krovx Belgium

Kent Valley wrote:
Purpose: To layout the powers and duties of The Goldenfolk Tribunal

Article 1: Amendment
I. The Amendment to Article J is as follows:

Article J: The Judiciary Branch
1. The Judiciary Branch of the RGBN shall consist of a Tribunal, named The Goldenfolk Tribunal. , composed of a minimum of 3 Tribunes.
1.1 The Tribunal must be composed of a minimum of 3 Tribunes, as with the number of Tribunes to remain an odd number.
1.2 The Tribunal is led by a Chief Tribune, which is appointed among the Tribunes. The Chief Tribune determines the rules and conduct of the Tribunes and Citizens interacting in and with The Goldenfolk Tribunal

2. The Tribunes shall be nominated by the President and confirmed by a simple majority vote in the Regional Assembly.

3. If there are less than 3 Tribunes, the President must nominate a citizen to the position within 2 weeks.

3.1. The Speaker of The Regional Assembly must start a debate on it within 1 week, the debate must not last more than 3 days, and whenever it ends, the Speaker of the Assembly shall start the voting at a maximum of 1 day after.

4. Tribunes serve until they resign, or are removed.

5. There are three two methods to remove of a Tribune;
5.1. The first method of removing a tribune is via a 2/3 majority vote in the Regional Assembly.
5.1.1. The President may veto this action, however a 3/4 majority vote in the Regional Assembly will overturn this veto. After this, the President shall not have the right to veto the removal.

5.2. The second method of removing a tribune is via a request from the President; After the President requests the removal of a tribune, the Regional Assembly only needs a simple majority vote to remove the requested Tribune.
5.2.1. If this method is used, the President may not veto the removal of the requested tribune.

5.3 The third method of removing a tribune is via the Tribunes among themselves voting to remove the tribune in question.
5.3.1 If this method is used, the President may not veto the removal of the tribune.

6. The Goldenfolk Tribunal's powers and duties:
6.1 Judicial review on the constitutionality of the actions from the branches of Executive Legislative and Curatorial
6.2 Judge and provide verdicts and if needed punishment in Court Cases involving the breaking of law.

Read dispatch

Purpose: To resolve an issue about RGBN Regional Bill numbering

Article 1: Amendment

I. Amends the following on RGBN Regional Bill 1:

Article 1: Definitions
1. Legislation that is introduced to the floor of the Assembly by the Speaker is referred to as RGBN Regional Bill or RB for shorthand.

2. Legislation that passes the Assembly is referred to as RGBN Regional Law or RL for shorthand.

Article 2: 1 Format of a Bills and Laws

1. A Bill shall have the following format:

RGBN Regional Bill [Number of Bill]: [Title of Bill]

Purpose: [The purpose the bill is trying to achieve]

Article [Article Number]: [Article Name]

[Clause Number].

2. The number of bills is determined based upon its introduction to the Assembly floor.

3. Bills passed by the Assembly shall be referred to as RGBN Regional Law With the numbered determined by the oldest passed bill first as RGBN Regional Law 1 and so on.

4. The number of RGBN Regional bills and laws shall remain the same.


II. Upon the passage of this amendment to RGBN Regional Bill 1, the format changes will apply retroactively.

Read dispatch

I second this.

The Центральна Республика of Reberydinigzadaland

The assembly is now once again in session. RGBN Regional Bill 9: Proposal and Passage Restructure Act will receive one more day of debate, making the bill's official debate period 3 days.

The Empire of Mira Hetonika

Kent Valley wrote:

1. The Judiciary Branch of the RGBN shall consist of a Tribunal, named The Goldenfolk Tribunal, composed of a minimum of 3 Tribunes.
2. The Tribunes shall be nominated by the President and confirmed by a simple majority vote in the Regional Assembly.
3. If there are less than 3 Tribunes, the President must nominate a citizen to the position within 2 weeks.
3.1. The Speaker of The Regional Assembly must start a debate on it within 1 week, the debate must not last more than 3 days, and whenever it ends, the Speaker of the Assembly shall start the voting at a maximum of 1 day after.
4. Tribunes serve until they resign, or are removed.
5. There are two methods to remove of a Tribune;
5.1. The first method of removing a tribune is via a 2/3 majority vote in the Regional Assembly.
5.1.1. The President may veto this action, however a 3/4 majority vote in the Regional Assembly will overturn this veto. After this, the President shall not have the right to veto the removal.
5.2. The second method of removing a tribune is via a request from the President; After the President requests the removal of a tribune, the Regional Assembly only needs a simple majority vote to remove the requested Tribune.
5.2.1. If this method is used, the President may not veto the removal of the requested tribune.

At the moment article J does not give powers to the tribunal other than its existence and how to appoint or remove members of that body. I didn't realize till later that the pre/post amendment to article J did not lay out the powers and duties of the Goldenfolk Tribunal, not even laying out a Chief/President of the Tribunal. compared to the Executive, Legislative, and, Curatorial branches that do have their powers and duties(mostly) laid out.

I recommend an amendment to RB9 Article 3, Clause ii.

Article 3: Passing of Legislation:

i. Bills passed by the Regional Assembly will then be taken to the President to be signed into law or vetoed.

ii. The President or any Assemblyperson has the right at any time to call to question whether the bill at debate is constitutional. Upon the President or any Assemblyperson using this privilege, the speaker is to invite the Goldenfolk Tribunal on the assembly floor to give an opinion on whether the bill in question is constitutional if passed. at which time a debate over the constitutional nature of the bill will be conducted.

iii. Should a bill be declared unconstitutional, it will fail on the spot regardless of if it has been passed in the assembly.

This amendment is friendly.

The Empire of Mira Hetonika

Mira Hetonika wrote:RGBN Regional Bill 9: Proposal and Passage Restructure Act

Purpose: To solidify and improve the process through which future regional bills are proposed and codified into law.

Be it enacted by the RGBN Regional Assembly that:

Article 1: Terminology

Terms in this bill are defined as the following:
Sponsor - the original writer and proposer of the bill
Second - a statement expressing support for the bill being sent to debate and voting

Article 2: Proposal of Legislation

i. Bills are to be proposed properly formatted on the Regional Assembly Message Board by the sponsor of the bill.

ii. Bills must be seconded by an assemblyperson other than the original sponsor to enter debate and voting.

iii. Following seconding, established process will ensue.

Article 3: Passing of Legislation

i. Bills passed by the Regional Assembly will then be taken to the President to be signed into law or vetoed.

ii. The President or any Assemblyperson has the right at any time to call to question whether the bill at debate is constitutional. Upon the President or any Assemblyperson using this privilege, the speaker is to invite the Goldenfolk Tribunal on the assembly floor to give an opinion on whether the bill in question is constitutional if passed

iii. Should a bill be declared unconstitutional, it will fail on the spot regardless of if it has been passed in the assembly.

The changes defined here will go into effect immediately upon passage.

Above is RB9 amended with the suggested changes from Assemblyman Kent Valley.

Notifying Krovx Belgium, Speaker of the Assembly and President of RGBN and Reberydinigzadaland, Second Speaker of the Assembly.

The Grozzer Theokratiske Reik of Krovx Belgium

I am in favour of this, it has my vote.

Post self-deleted by Reberydinigzadaland.

The Grozzer Theokratiske Reik of Krovx Belgium

Reberydinigzadaland wrote:So, are you retracting the previous version of the bill?

No, it is an amendment to a bill still in debate.

The Центральна Республика of Reberydinigzadaland

Mira Hetonika wrote:Above is RB9 amended with the suggested changes from Assemblyman Kent Valley.

Notifying Krovx Belgium, Speaker of the Assembly and President of RGBN and Reberydinigzadaland, Second Speaker of the Assembly.

I am still against Clause 1 of Article 3 of this bill as it places no time limits for the President and it’s giving more power to an already very powerful executive branch.

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