Celestials have to "Give" people a link to their power. And, thus, the extend on the power given by a celestial relies entirely on the celestial. Just note that too much power given can harm an individual. Power cannot be "taken" from a celestial, just like how power cannot be taken or given by a Malar. Valar are, well, they're not associated with the whole affair as of late.
This is why they were mistaken as gods; since them "giving" power could be equated to them "blessing" an individual.
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Alright here’s another question; I suppose all the universes in the multiverse all have there own version of the Celestials… what about Celestials in a universe that has been erased? Do the Celestials cease to exist? Or do they still exist, albeit in a different form to where someone could “take” there power?
While no celestials have, for the most part, been "Erased"...erasing a celestial from existance entirely would...have unforeseen consequences.
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Ok, so they still exist… alright so they’re power can’t be taken from them; could they agree to a deal, or be forced to give up some of there power in exchange for like freedom?
Golgoth probably would agree, keep his… more lustful abilities but lose some of it like his immortality or some of his other godlike abilities. But that might be just him.
When a celestial "gives" power, it does not detract from their power. As i said, this is why it was mistaken as "Gods Blessing" when, in reality, they were merely channeling power into their form.
But the Celestial could, in reality, choose what power they give to an individual, but as I said, too much power would "overstress" a body, and perhaps kill them. This effectively makes it that no one can just be given power to become on par, or more powerful than, a Celestial. They can become a distant second, but not enough to overpower them.
The only way that one can really achieve the mantle of Celestial is by going into what ammounts to the "source code" of the universe, something only one person has tried to do in the past...before every Celestial known to anyone dogpiled on them and eradicated them due to the fact trying such a thing...would cause unforseen consequences.
Monsone knows whats up.
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Monsone
On the subject of Celestials and other deities, certain entities (Erich namely) can effectively copy their powers into any sentient entity by casting a binding link. The issue with this is that once bound, the individual can become as powerful as their benefactor if the link is not actively restrained. Which in turn means that an entity like Erich wants to have as few binding links as possible to make sure they all remain safely restrained. However, lapses and failures can and do happen (hence, Andrea). In most cases, that results in the death of the receiving entity, unless there is a good enough reason to keep them around (unbinding the link or removing the powers is out of the question, once the damage has been done, it is irreversible).
Percisely, Further if a Celestial or similar entity, creates a secondary entity such as Spencer being made from Iblion and Azalea being made from Azerian, they will inherent a variable degree of power from said entity. This can be restrained by self-confidence issues (Azalea), percieved restrictions (Spencer) or a lack of knowledge of said powers existance.
Tapping into those powers is as much as believing you have the powers, as well as believing you can use them. This means interferences with focusing on something such as pain or fear will restrict what someone can do.
This is why when Spencer, if infuriated, temporarily superseeds his anxiety and can do a lot more damage, while Azaleas trauma, guilt, and lack of any self confidence effectively prevents her from using any of her powers.
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Wait, Aerlanica and Monsone so I also assume collecting DNA from the Celestials and using that to harness some power is out of the question as well?
Personally I’m just trying to not only see if I can squeeze in what I want to do, but also getting a more through understanding of the lore of the Celestials; both to help me in RP with Golgoth and whenever I introduce the Valar
The only people (Non-celestials) who were able to do that is Roxium with the CEVA. The only one alive is Azalea (CEVA-00 Mk1 Alpha). They did this by getting a scale from Azerian, and shoving it into the Adam Seed.
To go from a small biopsy of ANY Celestial, requires a lot of things that Roxium would be able to give u a heads up on.
Expanding on what Aerlanica said, Azalea, full designation Celestial Evangelion Unit-00 Mark I Alpha, is only Cicada's FIRST attempt at making an artificial Celestial, or as they're calling it, a synthetic humanoid Celestial Evangelion. Also, here's a correction: They shoved the scale into a thing called an S2 core, NOT the Adam Seed. To be more specific, they created Azalea by extracting something called an embryo from the seed, and then shoving the scale into the S2 core that formed within the embryo. Azalea was their first attempt at making a Celestial Evangelion, or CEVA for short, which is an Evangelion with the power of a Celestial. Evangelions are basically giant robot-sized (~80 meters tall) cyborgs. They, along with another organization called NERV, have since made two more Celestial Evangelion prototypes: Units 00 Mark I Beta, and 00 Mark II. The two CEVAs made after Azalea were created without Celestial DNA. To give them Celestial powers, they extracted an S2 core from the Adam Seed and shoved a scale into said S2 core, creating something called a Celestial S2 Core. CEVA 00 Mark I Beta was the first attempt at seeing if shoving a Celestial S2 Core into an Evangelion would work. They basically replaced CEVA 00 Mark I Beta's original S2 core with the Celestial S2 Core and ran a few tests with pretty disappointing results, before removing the Celestial S2 Core and sticking it into storage. Before anything else could be done, a... situation forced them to deploy Azalea, whom is sentient and has no pilot, and CEVA 00 Mark I Beta, whom is now a bog-standard Evangelion. CEVA 00 Mark I Beta was destroyed/corrupted by Iblion. CEVA 00 Mark II is their latest attempt, and is, or soon to be was, designed to utilize two S2 cores instead of one. They basically planned on shoving the Celestial S2 Core into CEVA 00 Mark II without removing its original S2 core. Those plans have since been scrapped after the Celestial S2 Core went "Rogue" and was subsequently destroyed by a bomb that used up the Roxium Federation's entire neutronium stockpile.
Monsone
Well, you can sequence and capture Celestial DNA, but I don't know how sucessful doing so would be given that in Roxium's CEVA project, the side-effect has been two sentient creatures, one of which was violently terminated. So, arguably you could use Celestial DNA as an energy source, but there are better alternatives.
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Ok, interesting…
Now is it possible to use Celestial DNA as not as a way to create sentient life; but rather to achieve Celestial levels of power within one person? Like using the DNA to cause a favorable mutation within the person in question to give them some of the power
I'd say it'd be pretty hard to do with a high risk of a brutal and terrible death, in conjunction with an even higher risk of not even getting any powers what so ever.
The latest bits of the CEVA Project plot just so happens to be going over that. Cicada and NERV know that shoving Azarian's scales into S2 cores seemingly always leads to sentience, no matter if said S2 core is standalone or in a newly extracted embryo. In my latest (As of me typing this) RP post, some scientists started brainstorming ideas on how to give CEVA 00 Mark II Celestial powers without making it sentient, with one of them coming up with the idea to shove one of Azarian's scales into the CEVA's unused second S2 core socket. They've so far not gone ahead with the idea due to requiring Inaki and Risato's approval. Coincidentally said brainstorming session is happening at the same time as Inaki and Risato's meeting with Erich, meaning those scientists will have to wait a while.
Roxium, I don’t know why I never thought about this… but I want Shunni to visit Roxium :D
She’s very smart, canonically in some universes single-handedly figuring out how to travel across the multiverse. Plus… as will later be revealed, is the genius behind Project Elrond and the main developer of the newest version of the Gondorian Gauntlet; GX, which instead of being wore by the user… it’s going to be underneath the users skin. An expert at many different scientific fields including biology, chemistry, psychology, genetics, and others, in addition to her skills at different art forms including dance and writing, and her skills at mathematics. She is also an avid anime fan.
I think she’ll have fun lol XD. Besides while she’s been a major character of mine for a while… her role going forward will only grow; think it’s time she get out of Gondor, as well as the people I typically RP with; Rei, Kansas, and Aeri, and branch out
Also; Aerlanica, Tyramon, Monsone… from now on whenever a Gondorian is talking about Celestials in RP, they’re going to be using the word Ceylar. I like Ceylar over Celestials because it fits in with Malar and Valar, just clearing up confusion for future reference :)
He'd still run the same risks. Mi-Kal is strong, but he's no Ceylar. The only way someone can become a celestial is if they interact with the source code of the universe which, as stated earlier, only happened one time way in the past with technology that is still being reinvented by Monsone...and it pissed off all the Celestials, who dogpiled on them.
Monsone
Not quite reinvented. The technology is an adaptation of the method needed to interact with the universe's source code, or crash and destroy the universe. And even then, the technology was initially designed as a weapon because bigger boom=better.
What you guys are talking about sounds a lot like Sparanoda's Chemophysical Laws Adapter (CLA or CLA drive for short), which locally and temporarily alters some rules of the universe to do things like travel through time, travel faster than light, create and contain gravity, and use Star Wars-like laws of physics in space.
But the way it does it probably different. My guess is that magitek uses the rules of the universe as they are, just including some rules that are magical. CLA tech actually changes these rules, and in theory can be made to do literally anything - but, that is just in theory. There are some practical limitations.
As for the time travel, thus far material has only been sent back a few tiny fractions of a second - enough time to duplicate photons.
More or less. Similar but less localized, mostly uncontrollable, incredibly unpredictable, and capable of ending the entirety of this universe without warning if something goes wrong. Which is coincidentally why the technology never was actually used outside of a singular test application, and the whole rewrite scenario has only occurred once.
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