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Jiria

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
The Issue
A group of holidaymakers from Evil Dictators Happyland have been arrested while visiting the scenic, yet corrupt and totalitarian, nation of Maxtopia on charges of drug trafficking - an offence which carries the maximum sentence of the death penalty. The story has provoked outrage from citizens, many believing the government should intervene to bring the tourists back home.
Not sure what I'll do with this issue, but once I thought about it, "scenic, yet corrupt and totalitarian" is an accurate description of EDH.

If this were a geopolitical simulator, Maxtopia were a country I didn't care for, and if I had sufficient ability, I'd say get the tourists back home.

Then deal with them once we got them back.

The Fresh Juicy Brains of The Soylent Green Party

Congratulations Kuriko! Your Security Council resolution passed by a landslide;D

THX1138, Evil Dictators Happyland, Kuriko, Valentian Elysium, and 5 othersExtreme delusional grahnol, Haivon, Kurshivar, Dorab, and India-america

Extreme delusional grahnol

Don't you all ever just want to come up with incredibly creative ways of oppressing your people and tricking them into thinking your country is amazing and that the rest of the world is a dystopia of which your country is a pedestal?

T a m o s and Kurshivar

T a m o s

> plays kahoot
> names team Pauline Hanson

> wins

Valentian Elysium, Haivon, and Kurshivar

The Holy and Exalted Empire of Valentian Elysium

Extreme delusional grahnol wrote:Don't you all ever just want to come up with incredibly creative ways of oppressing your people and tricking them into thinking your country is amazing and that the rest of the world is a dystopia of which your country is a pedestal?

*North Korea flashbacks*

T a m o s, Extreme delusional grahnol, Haivon, and Kurshivar

T a m o s

Extreme delusional grahnol wrote:Don't you all ever just want to come up with incredibly creative ways of oppressing your people and tricking them into thinking your country is amazing and that the rest of the world is a dystopia of which your country is a pedestal?

duuuude we have the same idea

Extreme delusional grahnol

Extreme delusional grahnol

T a m o s wrote:duuuude we have the same idea

Incredibly like-minded sane countries. Now if you excuse me, my guards are on guard shooting down any aeroplanes both in and outside my country. Such demonic creations cannot dwell in the skies.

T a m o s

T a m o s

Extreme delusional grahnol wrote:Incredibly like-minded sane countries. Now if you excuse me, my guards are on guard shooting down any aeroplanes both in and outside my country. Such demonic creations cannot dwell in the skies.

Ah, that is where we differ. I keep my planes up because it boosts scientific progress and the economy. I find.... Other ways to hypnotise my people

Extreme delusional grahnol

Extreme delusional grahnol

T a m o s wrote:Ah, that is where we differ. I keep my planes up because it boosts scientific progress and the economy. I find.... Other ways to hypnotise my people

Looks like my guards have a job to do.

T a m o s

T a m o s

Extreme delusional grahnol wrote:Looks like my guards have a job to do.

drugged water will do a better job my friend. And ridiculous surveillance

Kurshivar and Dorab

Ferte

I demand my country to be ULTRA RARE

Kalraydas

Don't mind the low civil rights, that's just the result of a few odd policies I'm trying to get rid of and a very active police enforcement, in addition to some more moderate policies such as gun control and a total recreational drugs ban. Also, any issue answer you take that limits civil rights will always do a lot more damage than any boost does. For example, marrige: Saying citizens can marry anyone at anytime? 0.5 increase. Saying they have to take a breathalyzer test to make sure it isn't a drunk marriage? -1.2 CR.

Haivon wrote:If you want to join telegram Xkisp!

Cute, don't worry young ones, your space programs will get there some day. Although here's some advice, legalize true AI and build space elevators.

The Commonwealth of Haivon

Kalraydas wrote:Don't mind the low civil rights, that's just the result of a few odd policies I'm trying to get rid of and a very active police enforcement, in addition to some more moderate policies such as gun control and a total recreational drugs ban. Also, any issue answer you take that limits civil rights will always do a lot more damage than any boost does. For example, marrige: Saying citizens can marry anyone at anytime? 0.5 increase. Saying they have to take a breathalyzer test to make sure it isn't a drunk marriage? -1.2 CR.

Cute, don't worry young ones, your space programs will get there some day. Although here's some advice, legalize true AI and build space elevators.

Sorry, but we don't answer or receive Issues in XKISP. We only use it to post Factbooks and develop projects.

Dorab

Kalraydas

Haivon wrote:Sorry, but we don't answer or receive Issues in XKISP. We only use it to post Factbooks and develop projects.

I know, but the example still stands. You'll get there someday.

Also, here's another set of strange statistics. 1 2 3 4 5

Kurshivar

Jiria

Haivon wrote:Sorry, but we don't answer or receive Issues in XKISP. We only use it to post Factbooks and develop projects.

I’m working on it

nation=xkisp/detail=trend/nations=kalraydas/censusid=70?add_self=1

Kurshivar

Kalraydas wrote:Don't mind the low civil rights, that's just the result of a few odd policies I'm trying to get rid of and a very active police enforcement, in addition to some more moderate policies such as gun control and a total recreational drugs ban. Also, any issue answer you take that limits civil rights will always do a lot more damage than any boost does. For example, marrige: Saying citizens can marry anyone at anytime? 0.5 increase. Saying they have to take a breathalyzer test to make sure it isn't a drunk marriage? -1.2 CR.

Cute, don't worry young ones, your space programs will get there some day. Although here's some advice, legalize true AI and build space elevators.

Good sir/madam, I am here to tell you that the XKISP is a program made of multiple nations hence the true value of its Scientific Advancement is the total of all nations that are members of the XKISP. Although the chart shows that our individual Scientific Advancement is meagre compared to yours but if you add them all (excluding yours) which is 186.84 (Kurshivar)+253.25 (Haivon)+260.42 (Valentian Elysium)+115.76 (Dollystana)+16.6 (Zovkia)+222.08 (New Mountain States of Turkey)+75.5 (XKISP itself) = 1,129.21. Ours is greater compared to yours which is 823.02. (Don't take offence it's just for fun XD)

Edit: In addition, Dorab has 79.85 making our total 1209.06 (Sorry Dorab forgot about you. Hehehe)

The Commonwealth of Haivon

Kurshivar wrote:Good sir/madam, I am here to tell you that the XKISP is a program made of multiple nations hence the true value of its Scientific Advancement is the total of all nations that are members of the XKISP. Although the chart shows that our individual Scientific Advancement is meagre compared to yours but if you add them all (excluding yours) which is 186.84 (Kurshivar)+253.25 (Haivon)+260.42 (Valentian Elysium)+115.76 (Dollystana)+16.6 (Zovkia)+222.08 (New Mountain States of Turkey)+75.5 (XKISP itself) = 1,129.21. Ours is greater compared to yours which is 823.02. (Don't take offence it's just for fun XD)

United we Stand!

Valentian Elysium, Kurshivar, and Dorab

Jiria

Kurshivar wrote:Good sir/madam, I am here to tell you that the XKISP is a program made of multiple nations hence the true value of its Scientific Advancement is the total of all nations that are members of the XKISP. Although the chart shows that our individual Scientific Advancement is meagre compared to yours but if you add them all (excluding yours) which is 186.84 (Kurshivar)+253.25 (Haivon)+260.42 (Valentian Elysium)+115.76 (Dollystana)+16.6 (Zovkia)+222.08 (New Mountain States of Turkey)+75.5 (XKISP itself) = 1,129.21. Ours is greater compared to yours which is 823.02. (Don't take offence it's just for fun XD)

Would it scale linearly though?

Just because two countries have made it to the Stone Age, for example, does not mean joining their efforts boosts them to the Bronze Age (purely illustrative example).

Sure they might get a small boost than what would occur otherwise, but each country’s contribution would be a fraction of their independent advancement.

Kalraydas, Xeknos, and Dorab

Kurshivar

Jiria wrote:Would it scale linearly though?

What do you mean?

Edit: Ah so thats what you mean. Well the main point is that he is comparing his total Scientific Advancement stat to the XKISP. Since the XKISP is a program joined by multiple nations that means the values of Scientific Advancement compared to his should be the total of all our Scientific Advancements, it doesn't mean that if a member nation makes a breakthrough in curing AIDS means we won't share it with others. If he explicitly stated a specific Scientific Advancement like Space or Medical, then I would agree with you whole-heartedly, since two nations cannot boost themselves immediately in a certain field if they work together, just like your example.

In short, he compared flexed his total Scientific Advancement and in turn we compared flexed our total Scientific Advancements. (Plus it's just for fun;))

The Kingdom of Xeknos

Damn, Kuriko, you're on a roll in the Security Council.

Dorab

The Commonwealth of Haivon

Kurshivar wrote:What do you mean?

That if a country is uncivilized it don't help more civilized Nations to increase their Scientific Advancement.

The People's Dictatorship of Evil Dictators Happyland

Kurshivar wrote:What do you mean?

Edit: Ah so thats what you mean. Well the main point is that he is comparing his total Scientific Advancement stat to the XKISP. Since the XKISP is a program joined by multiple nations that means the values of Scientific Advancement compared to his should be the total of all our Scientific Advancements, it doesn't mean that if a member nation makes a breakthrough in curing AIDS means we won't share it with others. If he explicitly stated a specific Scientific Advancement like Space or Medical, then I would agree with you whole-heartedly, since two nations cannot boost themselves immediately in a certain field if they work together, just like your example.

In short, he compared flexed his total Scientific Advancement and in turn we compared flexed our total Scientific Advancements. (Plus it's just for fun;))

If five nations with the exact same tech level share everything they know, total scientific advancement doesn't increase because none of them are giving new information. It's not fair to assume that more advanced nations know everything that less advanced ones do (for example, Vikings were producing high-carbon steel centuries before continental figured that out even though the Vikings lacked many architectural innovations that the Europeans had at the time), but it's equally unfair to assume that science "stacks" and that getting a hundred medieval civilizations to share technology results in faster than light travel.

Kalraydas and Dorab

Dorab

Kurshivar wrote:What do you mean?

Edit: Ah so thats what you mean. Well the main point is that he is comparing his total Scientific Advancement stat to the XKISP. Since the XKISP is a program joined by multiple nations that means the values of Scientific Advancement compared to his should be the total of all our Scientific Advancements, it doesn't mean that if a member nation makes a breakthrough in curing AIDS means we won't share it with others. If he explicitly stated a specific Scientific Advancement like Space or Medical, then I would agree with you whole-heartedly, since two nations cannot boost themselves immediately in a certain field if they work together, just like your example.

In short, he compared flexed his total Scientific Advancement and in turn we compared flexed our total Scientific Advancements. (Plus it's just for fun;))

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:If five nations with the exact same tech level share everything they know, total scientific advancement doesn't increase because none of them are giving new information. It's not fair to assume that more advanced nations know everything that less advanced ones do (for example, Vikings were producing high-carbon steel centuries before continental figured that out even though the Vikings lacked many architectural innovations that the Europeans had at the time), but it's equally unfair to assume that science "stacks" and that getting a hundred medieval civilizations to share technology results in faster than light travel.

It could be more accurate to take the nation with the largest scientific advancment, then add a fraction of the rest of the nations'. (I'm not sure what percentage it would be though.)

The Kingdom of Xeknos

Dorab wrote:It could be more accurate to take the nation with the largest scientific advancment, then add a fraction of the rest of the nations'. (I'm not sure what percentage it would be though.)

It's not necessarily additive - this is only true if the lesser advanced nations know something that the most technological advanced nation does not. It be fairer to compare to to, say, research treaties in games like Stellaris, where everyone gains a general bonus to research speed, plus a bonus in research speed toward technologies that other nations already know. More minds researching will generally mean faster progress, in theory.

Dorab

Jiria

Xeknos wrote:It's not necessarily additive - this is only true if the lesser advanced nations know something that the most technological advanced nation does not. It be fairer to compare to to, say, research treaties in games like Stellaris, where everyone gains a general bonus to research speed, plus a bonus in research speed toward technologies that other nations already know. More minds researching will generally mean faster progress, in theory.

The end result could be simplified as being a fractional additive - whether the exact mechanism is through additional funding by which the most advanced country could conduct more research, or delegation of some responsibilities to enable more optimum use of higher-level resources for research.

I think an example of a decent (and arbitrary) way to calculate this would be to have the most advanced country as the baseline, then categorize any additional partner nations into a number of categories according to their relative advancement. Example categories: A, B, C, and D, whereas a category A country is a near-peer and adds 10% of the baseline value, a category B having at least 75% science and adds 5%, a category C having at least 50% science and adds 2%, and a category D having less than 50% and adding 1%.

The categories wouldn't scale linearly either because more advanced nations would be more likely to have more to contribute, via supporting functions such as funds & industry, if not through direct scientific advancement.

But imho the real way that R&D partnerships work is that there is less of an impact on the rate of progress, but rather a sharing of the burden of costs. Which would mean that this whole space program partnership would simply mean that whoever has the highest value is the rate of progress, and everyone below that essentially gets a free upgrade to that level. In return the less advanced nations share some of the costs, so that the most advanced nation benefits in not having to pay as much for its R&D.

Dorab

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