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Taurifederation wrote:

No, but if so, if you don't want to be insolent hypocrite, you should stick to your real moral values and not to poke your nose in things that are none of your concern. And you definitely shouldn't fuel the conflict. Actually, the West really wants to see Ukraine burning and Russia exhausting ammo. Because then the West pretend to be a friend, while indebting Ukraine and making it it's puppet.

This insolent hypocrite's "real moral values" include a general distaste for unnecessary, completely unprovoked violence, which is why it kind of is my concern.
Arms manufacturers might want that, but it's far from a common attitude among the rest of us. :|

Between Russia continuing to actively murder people (pretty much a sure thing) and the US trying to make Ukraine a puppet state (according to you, a random guy on the internet), I'd go with the US.

Cheismonia wrote:

Ukraine wants to join NATO to keep Russia from invading, something Russia threatened to do if Ukraine tried to join NATO, which just an fyi tauri federation *isnt* a just reason to invade a sovereign nation.

Oh, I know, I just wanted Tauri to explain themself. Thanks for being helpful, though.

Hobbubobbia wrote:

What are you talking about?
Evidence?
It didn't, no, but then Ukraine isn't committing genocide or invading it's neighbors, so...

"B-but the US did it too!"
The US's foreign policy being horrific doesn't justify Russia doing the same with even less justification. That's a tu quoque fallacy.

Jesus christ, man, just give us the link already. If you have a source, it'd take you like three seconds to copy and paste it. It's not hard.

"Ted Bundy did it so I can too" is kind of a bad mindset imho

Esqueceu de Donbass?

Imperium einer nation wrote:

Putin was stupid to start a war. It has already been promised that he will be convicted of war crimes.

The US president responsible for the Iraq war was never convicted of war crimes.
Interesting, right? Only the leaders of small and relatively weak countries are convicted of war crimes, at least so it seems.

Helo [traveler] take a break at this [coment] before yuo keep scrolling.

Off to lunch I go. :D
yummy times shall soon abound

Taurifederation wrote:

No, but if so, if you don't want to be insolent hypocrite, you should stick to your real moral values and not to poke your nose in things that are none of your concern. And you definitely shouldn't fuel the conflict. Actually, the West really wants to see Ukraine burning and Russia exhausting ammo. Because then the West pretend to be a friend, while indebting Ukraine and making it it's puppet.

Umm, Ukraine was already The West's puppet even before the Russian invasion. No?

Cheismonia wrote:

Ukraine wants to join NATO to keep Russia from invading, something Russia threatened to do if Ukraine tried to join NATO, which just an fyi tauri federation *isnt* a just reason to invade a sovereign nation.

The Russians invaded because they're afraid of NATO's continuous advancement toward the Eastern frontier. They obviously don't want to be next. The West has taken Ukraine and totally changed it and through NATO it'll probably get worse just like what they've done to other Eastern European nations.

Hobbubobbia wrote:

unnecessary, completely unprovoked violence

So you say. I beg to differ. But it's kind of smart. Pay your agents to provoke and start a war, so then you can play as the good cop and make the country your puppet. I won't be surprised, if the Ukrainian neo-Nazis are actually CIA agents.
Almost as smart as bombing your own citizens so you can have an excuse to start a war on the other side of the Earth.

Taurifederation wrote:

And a few words about all those, who are cherishing a foreign flag instead of theirs. So, you have no respect for the flag of your country?
Do you think that any other flag can be flown higher than your own?

a flag represents the ideals of your nation, what it was built on, what it was striving for, what it is.
i have no reason to respect any flag whose meaning i find abhorrent, or who as a nation clearly are not what was advertised by the flag.

example: the USA flag.
a fairly complex pattern.
13 stripes for the original colonies built by white slave owners who thought only white men with land should vote, which only hold a fraction of their relevance in the grand scheme, ever since westward expansion, the creation of more major metropolitan areas, the west coast shipping and travel access, etc. -why would i care?

50 stars for the 50 states, most of which were stolen via genocide or war with mexico. some of which i'd be more than happy to give back(texas can go all independent republic or go back to mexico, either works for me, they aren't bringing down the average IQ nationally anymore, i don't care), while i'm still perplexed as to why we haven't made puerto rico a state(i think they just don't want the stars on the flag to be asymmetrical and are too lazy to do a redesign). - either way i have no dogmatic attachment to any particular number of states. as one of my first political acts as a joke in school i wrote a letter to president george w bush asking him to please eliminate 3 states, by combining north and south dakota, virginia and west virginia, north and south carolina, and as a bonus he could sell his own state of texas back to mexico to make the number of stars even so it's easier to work around redesigning the flag.

the colors can be seen representing multiple things. they are the colors of the french revolution blue white and red, representing enlightenment era values of a liberal democratic flavor, liberty egality fraternity, and after over 300 years i have yet to see the returns on that IOU.
they can be seen to be white for peace, blue for the unity/loyalty, and red for the blood of the fallen who fought for our independence. but white is a lie, we fund most of the world's conflicts and once crushed an entire country over bananas; blue is BS, neither our culture nor our politics is united across the country in any meaningful way and due to the individualism that american capitalism is based on, we're barely loyal to our own immediate family; and as for the red, throwing away all our flowery bs about phreedum and taxation, we left england mainly for two reasons: we wanted to expand west and take native lands but an english peace treaty with the tribes prevented us from doing so, and england was already discussing ending slavery(which they did like 10 years after the war or something like that) which would have been devastating to the colonial economic structure which they needed to maintain to be able to accommodate the growth they were envisioning. -Why would i support any of that? with that in mind, had we stayed with england and ditched slavery when they did, america might be a vastly different place. we may have avoided the slaughter of the natives, the civil war and it's divisions which birthed the KKK, etc. A smaller place, the part i live in would likely not be part of it, but i'd be much prouder of the flag possibly.

the dirt i stand on belongs to no one, the flag of my nation is as symbolic as a border crossing station, it just represents a line on a map in that regard.

with all this in mind, it represents lies, unkept promises, hypocrisy, and dogma. i don't wave my country's flag on a daily basis because what am i saying by doing so? look at me, i'm american? i'm in america, we're mostly american, and our constitution is written so that it applies to all people(whether the powers that be honor that is a different question) not just citizens. who cares? that's like bragging about being a good christian at a church group meeting, "that's great, we're ALL christians, kathy, now sit the bejeezus down and help us figure out the sunday bake sale.."
I don't fly it during war, because i don't support my country bombing the hell out of people because of oil/bananas/etc. or other dumb unjustified reasons.
most importantly, i don't fly it because i don't want to give any of my politicians support for the assumption that they're doing their jobs WELL.

when our prison system looks like finland's, or our gov actually gives us a proper healthcare system, or we actually do something meaningful about the fascism problem, i'll fly it(i may need to have it drycleaned).
as is, other than independence day, veterans day and memorial day, the people you usually see flying the US flag here in the US are religious fanatic rightwing racists and neonazi's who talk about america with the same zealotry nazis talked about the reich, believe "the south will rise again", want a second civil war, etc. They use it as a surrogate for the reich flag or as a surrogate for the confederate flag(which european groups use as a surrogate for the reich flag)
luckily those folk are rare in my neck of the woods, so i usually see the US flag only on buildings like schools, libraries, city courthouse buildings, etc., or being flown alongside local sports team flags by immigrants that are happy to be here, but that's not as prevalent lately for obvious reasons.

every country can look at their history under a flag and likewise realize that flag is a bounced check in one form or another.

Taurifederation wrote:

Pay to your agents to provoke and start a war, so then you can play as the good cop and make the country your puppet.
I won't be surprised, if the Ukrainian neo-Nazis are actually CIA agents.
Almost as smart as bombing your own citizens so you can have an excuse to start a war on the other side of the Earth.

You're not serious, right?

Hobbubobbia wrote:

You're not serious, right?

It's not like US has never done something like this...
https://mronline.org/2022/01/09/21st-century-u-s-coups-and-attempted-coups-in-latin-america/

Taurifederation wrote:

The US president responsible for the Iraq war was never convicted of war crimes.
Interesting, right? Only the leaders of small and relatively weak countries are convicted of war crimes, at least so it seems.

Several countries committed war crimes. But, who am I to judge :\

Hobbubobbia wrote:

You're not serious, right?

he's one hundred percent serious. you realize tauri is either the russian equivalent of Q-anon or a Russian FSB propaganda agent, right? he has literally the most stereotypical, cartoonish, everything bad is america, russia is good, bad russia is western imperialist lies, whataboutism @ss takes ever. he will not move or yield and is usually politically wrong by default.

Taurifederation wrote:

The US president responsible for the Iraq war was never convicted of war crimes.
Interesting, right? Only the leaders of small and relatively weak countries are convicted of war crimes, at least so it seems.

all the more reason to push for them on Putin now while he's doing it openly and the fire is hot, then start using the case as precedent when filing against other superpowers like the US, Right?

Reformed Archaria Steppe wrote:

everything bad is america, russia is good, bad russia is western imperialist lies

I'm just saying - you have your part of the world, we have ours. Stay there and don't comment the things we are doing and our relations will be normal, despite the fact that there are a bunch of your spies in our country and vice versa.

HEEELP MEEEEEEEEEEE SOMEONE CALLED The union of new rhodesiaTRIED TO EXECUTE ME SAVE ME

Kekelok wrote:

HEEELP MEEEEEEEEEEE SOMEONE CALLED The union of new rhodesiaTRIED TO EXECUTE ME SAVE ME

get over here you little...

grabs FN FAL

Taurifederation wrote:

I'm just saying - you have your part of the world, we have ours. Stay there and don't comment the things we are doing and our relations will be normal, despite the fact that there are a bunch of enemy spies in both our countries.

see what i mean Hobbubobbia? typical KGB mobster response, "Ignore Russian Invasion and Mass Murder and will be having NO PROBLEM, Da?"

GHR is already in on Flora island

New Anarchisticstan wrote:

Depends on what you eat shrimp with. Definitely never eat it with cocktails.

Always eat it with pasta.

Pre-christian persecuted people wrote:

So a Russian state media announced that ww3 has started when Moskva was destroyed by Ukrainians. Taurifederation, are you still claiming I am speaking nonsense?

Only a few km of Russian land has been bombed. Moskva is safe.

Taurifederation wrote:

Perhaps because they weren't US puppet states? Actually, everybody who is not US ally was either invaded or bombed by USA(or destabilized).
There are a few exceptions, countries who actually have strong military and good enough economy/natural resources.
Actually the serious discrimination started long before the current saga. You haven't been there, you haven't seen it.
And a few words about all those, who are cherishing a foreign flag instead of theirs. So, you have no respect for the flag of your country?
Do you think that any other flag can be flown higher than your own?
Watching the news and commenting things you don't understand doesn't make you righteous.

I think many countries' flags deserved to be flown higher than the US. Russia and Ukraine are not on the list.

Cheismonia wrote:

Ukraine wants to join NATO to keep Russia from invading, something Russia threatened to do if Ukraine tried to join NATO, which just an fyi tauri federation *isnt* a just reason to invade a sovereign nation.

Ukraine didn't want to join NATO until Russia started to attack them.

Flora island wrote:

Shut up, idiotz Putin is a Dictator.

No. And soon he will be dictating you. :P

The union of new rhodesia wrote:

grabs FN FAL

good choice.

Reformed Archaria Steppe wrote:

good choice.

who wants to tango with Rhodesia? ladies first.

Taurifederation wrote:

No. And soon he will be dictating you. :P

Pfft, you think he'll rule the world? He has to use 1/4 of his military to fight a country 1/50 the size and 1/4 the population of his own.