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Nation of ecologists

The most serene republicans wrote:Hey Nation of ecologists I have a very important lore question for you
Brazil IRL has sort of this national internal joke where we all say Acre either doesn't exist or it's basically still on the cretaceous period or there are aliens there, sometimes all three (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_conspiracy#Similar_satirical_conspiracy_theories).
Is this still a thing in NoE?

Well, it depends. Is this inside joke popular in the western half of the country? Or is it primarily a coastal city thing. Because since it is a decently important region within the country, it might actually be more well travelled.

Gloriosya

Nation of ecologists wrote:This is really great! Hopefully they get to join government. The German Greens are doing spectacular as well.

I think it depends on how left-wing the Green Party is and how eco-friendly the Conservative party is. Because yes, this is quite the recent trend, such as in Austria (People's Party and Greens formed government), Ireland (greens joined government with Fianna Fail and Fine Gael) and the Greens in Baden-Wurttemberg formed a coalition with the CDU. Personally, I find it a bit counterproductive but as long as the right-wing party agrees to be as environmentalist as the Greens are, along with the Greens being able to keep the government in check, I don't think it's particularly damaging. Plus, these "right-wing" parties mostly big tent centre-right.

Hah. I'll change that.

yes, i agree with you mostly
though the austrian people's party is much more conservative than the CDU or Fine Gael/Fianna Fail, at least to me

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The most serene republicans

Nation of ecologists wrote:Well, it depends. Is this inside joke popular in the western half of the country? Or is it primarily a coastal city thing. Because since it is a decently important region within the country, it might actually be more well travelled.

It's an everywhere thing, with some regional variations. I think even the acrean government joked around with it at some point.
By the way, Acre is actuallty one of those weird places where everything supernatural seems to happen.
Case and point, Bruno Borges: https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2020/07/a-room-full-of-crazy-and-the-weird-vanishing-of-bruno-borges/
Not only did the stuff on this article actually happen, Bruno Borges eventually returned home with a life-sized statue of himself, "a lot of new information" and a promise to illuminate humanity onto another level of counsciousness.

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Nation of ecologists

The most serene republicans wrote:It's an everywhere thing, with some regional variations. I think even the acrean government joked around with it at some point.
By the way, Acre is actuallty one of those weird places where everything supernatural seems to happen.
Case and point, Bruno Borges: https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2020/07/a-room-full-of-crazy-and-the-weird-vanishing-of-bruno-borges/
Not only did the stuff on this article actually happen, Bruno Borges eventually returned home with a life-sized statue of himself, "a lot of new information" and a promise to illuminate humanity onto another level of counsciousness.

Well, in that case, it is definitely cannon.

Calenmor, Atsvea, Lord Dominator, The Teeth, and 3 othersMiddle Barael, The most serene republicans, and The world wildlife fund

Chan island

Gloriosya wrote:Has this RMB any opinion of the trend in europe of some green parties forming coalitions with right wing parties to get in government?
I don't remember very well if this sort of political debate is very welcomed here but it is worth giving a shot XD

Do you think the event explained above is good, bad or not interesting at all?

Oh don't worry, this is a fascinating question and it's been on my mind a lot.

Today I learned a word called "pasokification". It's a description of how centre-left parties across Europe have utterly crashed in the past decade. The namesake was the pasok party in Greece, which in 2000 achieved 44% of the vote, yet in 2015 in it's last ever contested election won less than 5% of the vote.

A similar trend is visible in the Netherlands, France, Germany, Sweden, the UK.... you get the picture.

At the moment, the big discussion in Britain is about how the Labour party has lost a lot of ground despite being in opposition for 11 years (it lost over 200 councillors on Thursday's local elections). But while the discussion of how to reverse the damage to the party has been dominant, I've been thinking a lot about what is coming next. What politics would Labour have to adopt to be electable- or what party would replace it.

The Greens seem an obvious answer, but as you highlight, it's really not so straightforward. Especially in Britain, where tribal loyalties play a huge role in politics, the question of the greens is not so obvious as it may be in say, Germany.

Leaving apart the distortions of the FTPT electoral system (which is putting Labour on life support at this point anyway), it seems pretty clear that generally green parties and conservatives in actuality have a lot more in common than either would care to admit. Their demographics for a start- green voters tend to be much richer than the national average, and while recent years have somewhat confused the picture, the same is/was true of conservatives in Europe. Their stated interests are not as wildly divergent as it would appear at first glance. They collaborate on many campaigns on the local level, most commonly in opposition to new developments.

Don't forget that David Cameron in the UK initially ran in 2010 as the green candidate, going to arctic and spreading an environmental message. That's no accident, nor has it been an isolated occurrence. It's something that I've noticed Americans have a hard time wrapping their heads around, but Conservatives across Europe idolise the countryside (and have done for literal centuries), praise the life of small villages and purposely destroying the environment is anathema to many a conservative voter. Traditionally, it has been left of centre parties like Labour that have proposed plans like building up industry or housing, which is good for other areas of human activities but undeniably has a toll on the environment.

So it's one of those times where the traditional left-right spectrum falls apart, and why I am never super surprised by these coalitions. I mean, we already have "Greencon" governments in Austria, Ireland and (it imminently looks like) Germany.

Besides, it makes sense just from a purely practical perspective too. The greens want to be in power so that they can protect the environment. Conservatives want to be in power for power's sake for their beliefs, and a little bargaining soon sorts out a good enough deal for both parties.

And that's not even going into mentioning how green issues have been steadily growing as issues in the minds of voters across the political spectrum as the weather gradually starts to screw up more and more on the continent and consciousness about the environment is gradually getting itself felt.

Uan aa Boa wrote:Now that you represent Forest as our head of government I do wish you'd stop deliberately voting for bad resolutions.

....

If this is how the region feels, I will actually stop and take these SC and WA votes seriously. I must admit, there is some truth to this.

Shalotte, Einswenn, Calenmor, Mount Seymour, and 10 othersGloriosya, Atsvea, Ruinenlust, Lord Dominator, Uan aa Boa, The Teeth, Lura, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, and The world wildlife fund

Dark kreston

Ok, the American Green Party is communist right?

Shalotte, Gloriosya, Atsvea, Lord Dominator, and 2 othersNation of ecologists, and The world wildlife fund

The Most Serene Eco-Republic of Middle Barael

Dark kreston wrote:Ok, the American Green Party is communist right?

No, eco-socialist (essentially DemSoc but very environmentalist)

I always wish that the US Greens were a bit more moderate, like Social Democrats or Sanderists as opposed to actual Democratic Socialists. More like New Zealand’s Greens. Not anti-capitalist, but still opposed to the current method of capitalism in the US. Welfare Statists, not full-blown socialists.

But anyways it won’t make a difference, as with FPTP voting they have no chance. If only we could adopt IRV and Proportional Representation

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Shalotte

Chan island wrote:Oh don't worry, this is a fascinating question and it's been on my mind a lot.

Today I learned a word called "pasokification". It's a description of how centre-left parties across Europe have utterly crashed in the past decade. The namesake was the pasok party in Greece, which in 2000 achieved 44% of the vote, yet in 2015 in it's last ever contested election won less than 5% of the vote.

A similar trend is visible in the Netherlands, France, Germany, Sweden, the UK.... you get the picture.

At the moment, the big discussion in Britain is about how the Labour party has lost a lot of ground despite being in opposition for 11 years (it lost over 200 councillors on Thursday's local elections). But while the discussion of how to reverse the damage to the party has been dominant, I've been thinking a lot about what is coming next. What politics would Labour have to adopt to be electable- or what party would replace it.

The Greens seem an obvious answer, but as you highlight, it's really not so straightforward. Especially in Britain, where tribal loyalties play a huge role in politics, the question of the greens is not so obvious as it may be in say, Germany.

Leaving apart the distortions of the FTPT electoral system (which is putting Labour on life support at this point anyway), it seems pretty clear that generally green parties and conservatives in actuality have a lot more in common than either would care to admit. Their demographics for a start- green voters tend to be much richer than the national average, and while recent years have somewhat confused the picture, the same is/was true of conservatives in Europe. Their stated interests are not as wildly divergent as it would appear at first glance. They collaborate on many campaigns on the local level, most commonly in opposition to new developments.

Don't forget that David Cameron in the UK initially ran in 2010 as the green candidate, going to arctic and spreading an environmental message. That's no accident, nor has it been an isolated occurrence. It's something that I've noticed Americans have a hard time wrapping their heads around, but Conservatives across Europe idolise the countryside (and have done for literal centuries), praise the life of small villages and purposely destroying the environment is anathema to many a conservative voter. Traditionally, it has been left of centre parties like Labour that have proposed plans like building up industry or housing, which is good for other areas of human activities but undeniably has a toll on the environment.

So it's one of those times where the traditional left-right spectrum falls apart, and why I am never super surprised by these coalitions. I mean, we already have "Greencon" governments in Austria, Ireland and (it imminently looks like) Germany.

Besides, it makes sense just from a purely practical perspective too. The greens want to be in power so that they can protect the environment. Conservatives want to be in power for power's sake for their beliefs, and a little bargaining soon sorts out a good enough deal for both parties.

And that's not even going into mentioning how green issues have been steadily growing as issues in the minds of voters across the political spectrum as the weather gradually starts to screw up more and more on the continent and consciousness about the environment is gradually getting itself felt.

....

If this is how the region feels, I will actually stop and take these SC and WA votes seriously. I must admit, there is some truth to this.

You should probably take them seriously.

And that's coming from me.

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Nation of ecologists

Dark kreston wrote:Ok, the American Green Party is communist right?

Coming from someone who is...kind of? A member of the party (its complicated), not, it is not.

As Middle Barael said, they are an eco-socialist party that is against the ideas of capitalism and believes that the only way to protect the environment and save the Earth is to abolish the system in favour of an eco-friendly version of socialism. Personally, I find it a refreshing alternative to the traditional Democratic Party, as they are much more regulatory and environmentalist. But, sadly, unless an alternative voting system is used they will probably never crack above 1% in Presidential elections or get close to winning a seat in Congress.

The Incorporated States of Terrabod

Forest Flag Contest 2021 Announcement

Congratulations to Verdant Haven! As the most popular of the flag contest designs, with 25 eligible votes to 11 eligible votes for Mount Seymour's design, their submission will go head-to-head with the updated regional flag (another Mount Seymour(TM) creation) in a final round. The winner of this round will become our new regional flag, so please take the time to appreciate both of the incredible designs in full - they're both presented side-by-side in the dispatch below for your convenience.

With that, the final poll of the Flag Contest has begun. Voter eligibility remains the same as both other polls (see the official Flag Contest dispatch). As always, best of luck to the creators of both designs!

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The world wildlife fund

The most serene republicans wrote:Do you people have a favorite movie? Or at least something close to it?
Very unrelated to anything, I know, but I've been out for 10+ days give me a break

Yes, "An Inconvenient Truth" by Al Gore

Isbjorn Maerenne Bava Paerani wrote:You are correct. Obviously, I believe in climate change and think it is a real news.

Oh thank god. For a second there, I thought that you were being serious.

Middle Barael wrote:Official Lore Ministry Post
Lore Question of the Week #2, this week focusing on your nation’s subdivisions

1) What are the provinces/states/regions of your nation?
2) What are the major cities in each of your provinces/states/regions in your nation?
3) What are some local stereotypes about each province/state/region in your nation?

1) Provinces of Middle Barael: Northern Cothon, Southern Cothon, Northern Coast, Southern Coast, Northern Barael, Central Barael, Southern Barael, Wine Country, Grand-East, Garydos

Federal Districts (on the same level of authority as Provinces): Scania, Cothon City, Middle Barael City

2) Northern Cothon has Bellamonte and Calisota, Northern Coast has Minerva and Nava, Southern Barael has Domicile and Nevurn, Central Barael has Nance, Wine Country has Terevan, Grand-East has Likon, Garydos has Kāridohi, Cothon City Federal District has Cothon City and Gartageni, Scania Federal District has Scania, and Middle Barael City Federal District has Middle Barael City.

3) Northern Cothon is known for being very progressive, full of college students, former hippies, poor Ottomans, and liberal Gen X women. Essentially Middle Barael’s version of Oregon, except important

Southern Cothon is known for being more conservative, full of richer boomers drinking wine on their farm villas. Think of it as a mixture of Florida (but ok) and Southern Italy

Cothon City is known for being full of culture and activities. Always active, always colorful, always vibrant. The people are super cosmopolitan and super busy with activities

Northern Cothon is known for being very smart and educated, but at times somewhat snobby. It includes the city of Minerva, Middle Barael’s premier collegetown since 1431.

Southern Cothon is known for beautiful landscapes, and also lazy citrus-farmers constantly taking breaks and siestas. Slow-moving but beautiful

Northern Barael is known for being snobby and sophisticated. It’s essentially MB’s Paris. They are very proud of their Franco-German heritage (except for the Catalans, who are proud of not being Franco-German), and they love art, music, architecture, and European culture. They are fierce rivals with Southern Barael

Southern Barael, on the other hand, is known for being loud and disorienting, but still very beautiful. It’s mostly Arabs, though it has the highest concentration of recent immigrants in MB. It’s like the Middle East or North Africa but in MB. They are fierce rivals with Northern Barael

Central Barael is known for being laidback and calm, true hufflepuffs. They are located centrally between the fierce rivals of Northern Barael and Southern Barael, and they find the entire rivalry silly. They are mostly made up of Franco-Germans and Catalans, but there are still Arab and Italian influences in their culture. They are incredibly nice people, but simple in their culture

Scania is a cosmopolitan city. It has a bit of every culture in Middle Barael, but it’s mostly Franco-German and Catalan in personality, though the Futuro-Gothic architecture looks like something out of Star Wars (in fact the Star Wars planet of Raxus (aka Raxus Secundus) was designed to look like Scania). It’s people are busy and fast-moving, but still very polite and nice

Middle Barael City is known for being full of diplomats and executives. It’s very urban and it’s people are very busy and usually don’t have much time to talk. It’s like the NYC of Middle Barael, only not as big or important

The Wine Country is known for its beautiful landscape and farming villas, and not as much else. It’s not as densely populated than the other areas, and there aren’t many stereotypes associated with it

Grand-East is known for being full of Israelis, developing new advanced agricultural techniques and yelling at each other to show their love. It is one of the smaller provinces, but has its own character. It’s people are loud and love to negotiate/barter/debate, but sweet on the inside. They have developed many technologies in Grand-East, such as new farming techniques like hydroponics and pseudo-poldering, and it’s the center of Middle Barael’s IT industry.

Finally, Garydos is the weird cousin of the rest of Middle Barael. It joined 20 years after the rest of MB, and it’s thought of by most outsiders as weird and backward. It’s culture is a blend of British traders and Asian/Pacific indentured servants brought by the British to work the land. It’s very different from the rest of the country, and often forgotten because of this

1 & 2. We don't really have any regions, states, or provinces of the like, but we are mainly divided up into several divisions of which we focus different work on. The "regions" of our nation includes our Climate Division, our Food Division, our Forests Division, our Freshwater Division, our Oceans Division, and our Wildlife Division.

3. Some stereotypes of our nation as a whole could include things as being progressive, very diverse, pretty secular, feminist, environmentalist, and being woke.

Calenmor, Atsvea, Lord Dominator, Middle Barael, and 2 othersHamyan, and Nation of ecologists

Cameroi

there are only and exactly three "cities" in cameroi. one is the capitol, one is the space port and one is the university. which is not to say we have only one of each of these, but rather that only one of each is surrounded by or adjacent to, anything resembling a city. and even then, these cities are more like a village of villages, each neighborhood enjoying a relatively high degree of soverign indipendence.

movies movies, basically pretty much everyone makes their own. that's what our idea of an internet is all about. no corporate social media, but a not for profit internet, or internet equivalent, on which nearly all content is user provided. of course, yes, some get a lot more followers then others, but no matter what you upload, there will be at least some who like it and some who don't. celebrity isn't really a thing though, and most creators choose to remain mostly anonymous.

and the most popular don't tell emotional or dramatic stories, but are interesting imaginary worlds others can cybernetically walk around in as the choose, much like that lynden thing, only there's no cost to upload and no need to be publicly present as an avatar ether, unless wishing to meet someone there. one way non-participatory entertainment isn't very much of a thing. people have their own ideas and visually share them. not that eveyone has to be any kind of a visual artists, but i would estimate a very large majority of cameroi have at least so talent and ability to do so.

regions are, well every nine, more or less villages, form a district, and similarly districts form counties and the counties form shires and the shires form bio-regions, and these form states and these form bio-provences and these form cameroi. as for having names, well villages like adult cameroi, name themselves as they will, preferably an original concatenation of phonemes. camoroi aren't big on the naming this after that or whom. names of natural features sometimes, or prominent species combined with them, like pesky deer road, or cougar gap, that sort of thing.

for stereotypes, you'd have to ask school kids, and every school has their own, and kids are always making up new ones.
once they've graduated, entered adulthood, passed through pujzush, the concept is one they tend to leave behind as immature.

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The Rustling Leaves of New Kvenland

Middle Barael wrote:Official Lore Ministry Post
Lore Question of the Week #2, this week focusing on your nation’s subdivisions

1) What are the provinces/states/regions of your nation?
2) What are the major cities in each of your provinces/states/regions in your nation?
3) What are some local stereotypes about each province/state/region in your nation?

1) Very glad this is this week's question, just finished a rough outline of Satka's provinces (https://i.imgur.com/1GYmr9a.png). There are 233 of them, divided between 10 regions: Saklotha, the Keos Prairie, Healia, the Tochakwīje Plateau, the Coastlands, Teashje, Kolh, Sehiesi and Hiashan, Jomalalet, and the Fai Islands. (Forgive me for not coming up with 233 province names.) "Province" might be a misnomer, though, some of them would be better translated as prefectures, republics, metropoles, okrugs, or national parks.

2 [including cities over 1 million]) Saklotha: Iskail (national capital), Gajēthjā, Keseohtilheohji
Keos: Hkīkacha, Loiken, Sash, Haichowakishkail, Kotho
Healia: N/A
Tochakwīje: Tthosil
Coastlands: Hkēsalī
Teashje: Goka, Kwiotios
Kolh: N/A
Sehiesi and Hiashan: Shaigloideakohes, Keok, Katlhaiswe
Jomalalet: Salemsis
Fai Islands: Teotthisī, Katsat

3) Saklotha is temperate rainforests and the ivory tower liberal capital, Keos is the down-to-earth prairie people, Healia is exactly 4 shepherds, Tochakwīje is full of polyandrous barbarians high in the mountains, the Coastlands is rolling hills and cult country, Teashje has gorgeous landscapes and not much else, Kolh is full of polygynous barbarians from the tundra, Sehiesi and Hiashan are fishermen who only care about sports, Jomalalet doesn't exist, and the Fai Islands are tropical rainforests, chocolate and spices, and lots and lots of monkeys. This is still a pretty new project, so that's about all the stereotypes I have right now, to be honest.

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Kepler-0085

The world wildlife fund wrote:Hmmmm, how about I do anyways. *like*

I meant lord dominator, youre a good panda

Verdant Haven wrote:As has been mentioned a couple times recently, an awful lot of the government's current discussions have revolved around the mapping situation, and getting that going again. I don't have any updates on that (not my department!), but it did inspire me to finally digitize some of the stuff I did a while back on the subject of my nation's history. I put together a Factbook with maps and an animation showing the development of Verdant Haven over time - hopefully it's an interesting tidbit for those who are fond of world building, national lore, and history!

On the Historic Development of Verdant Haven
A product of the Havenian Department of Education

It has been approximately 1000 years since the first foreign settlers and colonizers began moving to the untamed wilderness that is now known as Verdant Haven. In honor of this occasion, the National Chamber, with approval of the Court of Chancery, has authorized the Executive Branch to assemble and present the following report regarding the development of borders and placenames within our modern nation. It is well known that the twelve bailiwicks previously were duchies under the decadent and repugnant rule of the fallen Principate, but it is hoped that the following information, properly disseminated through the Department of Education to the Reeves-General for inclusion in curricula nationwide, will inspire further knowledge amongst the population, and interest in the deep history of our people, our nation, and the land we share.

1000 years before present:

The first city-states recognizable as parts of modern Verdant Haven first developed around 1000 years ago, along the coasts of the modern nation. The first three known to have been founded are Harventia (today called Haventia), Macota, and the coastal city of Salvation. Harventia and Macota were founded by expeditions of the Harven and Macota families respectively, who sent military expeditions from overseas to establish footholds in the unexplored wilds of the Forestian coast, and followed them after a time with colonists, equipment, and the basics of agricultural subsistence. To the north, a fleet of Diverrese refugees seeking to escape from war in their homeland found themselves bereft of mast and sail in an enormous storm off the coast, and were left to drift, hopeless on the waters, until through some miracle the tides brought them in sight of the Forest coast. They landed on one of the perilously few approachable beaches in this part of the country, about 100km south of Friar's Point, and there founded a new home they called "Salvation" for the succor it gave them. Though contact with them is not yet believed to have been made at this time, it is known that the indigenous Gaw people already occupied significant portions of the northwestern mountain highlands well before any of these cities were founded, and their communities are believed to have been centered somewhere south of the mountain that now bears their name.

800 years before present:

Those first three city-states each expanded rapidly in the unclaimed wilds, establishing themselves as ducal governments, as was the style at the time. Shifts in orthography and language led to the Harven family name settling as "Haven," with the name of their capital becoming Haventia to match. They declared the Duchy of Verdantia (Verdanza), in honor of the seemingly endless green of the interior, and staked claim to a vast swath of land stretching from the Jade River in the east all the way to the Pebble River in the west. They also sent exploration parties all the way to the east coast, where they established the small outpost of Seawatch to keep an eye for threats from the oceans beyond. The Macota family were not so modest, and simply named their entire duchy after themselves. Having made contact with the Gaw people, they began a profitable trade, establishing one of the first trade routes in the area along a road they built from the city of Macota all the way to Gaw territory. They established city halfway along the route to provide supplies and defenses for their convoys, under the command of a cadet branch of the family – the Viridi. This city was called Viri. Having been exposed to this new form of governance and city-building, the Gaw decided to profit from this trade by emulating certain aspects of what they saw, establishing a de facto capital city called Monteverde (the name in use at the time for nearby Green Mountain), and claiming certain borders in the fashion of a duchy, which came to be called Gawland. The Diverrese meanwhile had found the frequent storms on the eastern coast to be exceedingly challenging, and having now spread as far as The Father and the Jade River, they constructed a new capital just below the impassible rapids, called Rapidham, from which they began to conduct long-distance riverine trade with the city of Haventia to their south. They named their duchy Diverre (Diverr) after their destroyed homeland. Meanwhile, small unaffiliated merchant houses from afar had noticed the growing trade opportunities of this new land, and began setting up their own operations amongst the broad dales between Verdantia and Macota.

700 years before present:

The seaward marches around Seawatch were soon incorporated as the Duchy of the Seamarch (Seamarch), and the once-small outpost, now a thriving city, became known as Watchtower. Viri, similarly, expanded under the Viridi family (Viri), growing into a full duchy of its own, even larger than its parent Macota. Pressed on both sides by established military and economic powers, the traders of the dales signed a treaty creating the Alliance of the Dale Cities, with nebulous goals of defending each other from any incursions, and upholding the independence of each signatory. To the north of Verdantia, the influential Green family (no relation to the mountain) had established a major economic foothold by exploiting both the timber and mineral resources of that remote area, and trading with both Verdantia and Diverre. The Haven family recognized this, and granted them exclusive tradings rights north of a line drawn from the highest navigable point on the Pebble River east to the Jade River just below Diverre. The Alliance of the Dale Cities did not acknowledge the authority of the Verdantia to dictate economic control of the interior in this manner, and incidents of freebooting, poaching, and bushwhacking were common in the contested areas along the borders. The alliance found itself on the losing end of this equation in the long run however, as the loose association of the merchants led to many squabbles about who should pay for defenses of which areas, with each house seeking advantage even against its friends.

600 years before present:

The Alliance of the Dale Cities proved short-lived, and in less than a century the most powerful house had exerted itself over the others from their city of Pebblestone Dale, forming its own duchy and compelling subservience from rivals. Though this left more losers than winners, it did serve to solidify resistance to foreign incursion, and established the modern borders of the area now known as the Bailiwick of The Dale. The Green's Wood area became the new duchy of Greenswood (Grenwood) and they extended even further economic ventures to the west into the outer territory called the Woods Riding. In a bid for parity, Macota sent ventures north and created a territory of their own, the Arbore Riding. The border between the two was very much in question for a time, though most acknowledged the natural barrier of the Peacewell River and The Mother as being the best landmarks for this purpose. In the far west, repeated incursions by the Eax people, following the Western River down from the north and then pushing inland, had compelled settlers and farmers to band together for defense. They built the fortress of Tleaste to guard the crossing point most often used by the Eax forces, and the local nobles were recognized by the other duchies for the service being provided through their elevation to equal rank, as Dukes of Westguard (Wesgard). All of this expansion however was beginning to severely hamper the Gaw way of life, and they began military incursions against Viridi to claim back territory they felt was being stolen.

500 years before present:

With major advances in roads and communications, as well as the slow accumulation of vast fortunes, the long-time powerbrokers in Haventia and Macota exerted their influence to form suzerainties over their offshoots. Verdantia lay full claim to its one-time colony of The Seamarch, and declared the Grand Duchy of the Verdant Seas. Always independent, Greenswood did not submit to the Havens, instead citing the now centuries-old decree granting them exclusive rights in the north to claim exemption. Forever copying their eastern neighbors, and obsessed with maintaining "equal rank," the Macota family then re-absorbed their cadet branch's claims and declared the Grand Duchy of Macota-Viridi. This proved relatively stable for a time, and with questions over the borders of the northern ridings being settled along common-sense lines, a period of calm and prosperity seemed imminent.

400 years before present:

That period of calm did not last. With no more room to expand into wilderness, the duchies turned on each other with immense speed. Quietly seething at the insult Greenswood had given by choosing to trade more with Diverre instead of with Verdantia, Verdant Seas hammered north into Diverre and seized large chunks of land. So much land was gained that Verdant Seas combined it with the northern parts of Seamarch to form a third duchy, Easttree (Easttree), control over which it granted to the senior-most officers and generals of their successful campaign. Hauling home the spoils of war, the Havens established the Haventian Art Depository (today the Federal Art Depository - Fad) to display the treasures. The ruling Brandt family of Diverre, reeling from the blow, quickly pulled in the Greens of Greenswood (and their offshoots) and formed a political entity of their own to resist, the Grand Duchy of Brandt. In the west, the hardened march veterans of Westguard struck north and burned the Gaw capital, seizing the territory and driving them back to the most remote of their traditional homes. Claiming to have done this to help their "friends" in Viridi, the Westguardians then struck hard into Viridi themselves, seizing even more land, and causing the ducal government to flee from Viri to their coastal city of Midway, ironically a city so-named because it was the halfway point on the once-lucrative trade road between Macota and the capital of their attacker, Tleaste. The land seized in this attack was combined with lands seized from the Gaw to become the duchy of Arborea (Arbore), with the Gaw driven far back into a frontier mountain territory called only "The Highlands" - today known as High Pine. Though never declared as such by the rulers, most historians today consider this area, known as "The Marcher Highlands," to be the fourth constituent Grand Duchy of historic Verdant Haven. This massive conquest by Westguard was likely successful for one major reason – the primary armies of Macota-Viridi were themselves occupied hundreds of miles away on the opposite side of the grand duchy, where they were busy conquering The Dales and forcibly integrating the trade cities into their own holdings.

350 years before present:

Amongst the chaos of so many simultaneous wars, the ruling branch of the Haven family was overthrown and assassinated by a group of courtiers and soldiers loyal to the royal duke Tattven, an extremely gifted, if underhanded, military commander. Spending tremendous resources to bring in foreign mercenaries to bolster the armies of the Verdant Seas, Tattven overran first Brandt, and then Macota-Viridi, forcing them to acknowledge the overlordship of Verdantia (pronunciation having by now drifted to Verdanza). Such was the enmity between the Tattvens and the Macota after centuries of emulation and competition, that Tattven forced the duchy of Macota to change it name, so the high dignity of a duchy would no longer be linked to their family. The nobles selected Longmouth as the duchy's new name, to reference the ancient and esteemed academic institution in which they took so much pride, the famous Longmouth Lowland University (Llu). The armies of the Highland Marches held out longest, due to a combination of experience and distance, but eventually even they were forced to acquiesce. Arbore Riding and Woods Riding were combined into the duchy of Ridwood (Ridwood), and under the new principate the major borders and names of modern Verdant Haven finally fell into place.

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Middle Barael wrote:Official Lore Ministry Post
Lore Question of the Week #2, this week focusing on your nation’s subdivisions

1) What are the provinces/states/regions of your nation?
2) What are the major cities in each of your provinces/states/regions in your nation?
3) What are some local stereotypes about each province/state/region in your nation?

you think imma let go of this monstrosity? nuh uh!

1-Olwenia:Lower frixa-zato:Being rich
2-Laniar:Wingelond:Being fishermen
3-Elwandar:Sinudin:Being cold
4-Izil:Urwli:Being annoying

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The most serene republicans wrote:Do you people have a favorite movie? Or at least something close to it?
Very unrelated to anything, I know, but I've been out for 10+ days give me a break

yep. The Mad Max films.
I refuse to choose which is best, they're all great :D

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Cuillin wrote:Good news from Scotland tonight! A fantastic election result with 8 Green Party MSPs elected and a pro-independance majority. This could be the Greenest parliament we have had, and perhaps the start of Scotland becoming an independent state. Stop the world guys, we want to get on!

🎉
If we finally get independence a LOT of people will switch from voting SNP to greens.

all my siblings and my own peers (age range 16 to 25) mainly supported SNP so we can have independence and enough power that a green government could actually make a difference in Scotland without being dragged behind by the [expletive] tories.

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Simbolon

I'd like to ask anyone familiar with the GA rules etc. There's this proposal that reached quorum titled "Freedom of Dress". Given that Prudism is a policy one might have, is it against the game mechanic (or whatever term that describes it well)?

The most serene republicans wrote:Do you people have a favorite movie? Or at least something close to it?
Very unrelated to anything, I know, but I've been out for 10+ days give me a break

Generally, I don't watch movies often due to their standalone nature (and I usually don't have time for it). The last movie I watched was Palm Springs (2020), I'd give it a solid 8.5.

If you happened to be a Star Wars fan, I'd recommend Rogue One (2016) in case you haven't watched it. A straight up 9 in my opinion..

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Ruinenlust wrote:Also I think Uan aa Boa suggested some kind of thingy for people interested in WA proposal discussions or something that wasn't on the forums. I'd be happy for that. I always like people's suggestions and ideas.

That discussion is already up and running, and everyone is welcome to join in.

https://forest.freeflarum.com/d/213-the-general-assembly-thread

Simbolon wrote:I'd like to ask anyone familiar with the GA rules etc. There's this proposal that reached quorum titled "Freedom of Dress". Given that Prudism is a policy one might have, is it against the game mechanic (or whatever term that describes it well)?

Freedom of Dress does look as if it might conflict with the Prudism policy. I think the main motivation behind it was to prevent sexist dress codes at work, but I'm planning to vote against any resolution that protects the "right" to wear a swastika T-shirt to a synagogue.

In terms of the rules, GA resolutions can and do prohibit some answers to in-game issues. The GA bans slavery and ritual sacrifice while requiring that abortion be legal and available. Nothing prevents a WA nation from answering issues in a way that breaks GA law. NationStates comprises a number of minigames that don't fully align.

GA law sets out penalties for non-compliance in the form of fines and economic sanctions depending on the severity of the breach. These measures are 100% roleplay - they won't affect a nation's stats at all. Conversely, when a resolution passes it has a small effect on the stats of every WA nation even if they're actually not compliant.

Here's an explanation from Separatist Peoples of the GA Secretariat.

viewtopic.php?p=38591067#p38591067

Middle Barael wrote:I always wish that the US Greens were a bit more moderate...

I don't know anything about the US Green Party in particular, but I often suspect that people who wish greens were more moderate are effectively wishing that what needs to be done was less drastic and more palatable, or that the kind of empty greenwash represented by the 2010 UK posturing Chan island mentioned was enough (Cameron got himself photographed cycling to work with his limo driving along behind him; any policy changes in his 6 years in power did functionally nothing to avert the climate crisis). Capitalism is destroying the environment and recognising that isn't extremist, it's just honest.

I've probably shared it before, but totally this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir-XjQhOyNQ

We're talking zero economic growth - in fact we're talking economic shrinking in terms of GDP. Denying that to appease voters for mainstream political parties is going nowhere as a strategy.

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Simbolon

Uan aa Boa wrote:GA resolutions can and do prohibit some answers to in-game issues.

Ah, I see. Thank you for clarifying. Much appreciated <3

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wait. The poll says "updated regional flag" or "verdant haven". But isn't Verdant Haven's flag the updated one? Im confused.

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Kepler-0085 wrote:I meant lord dominator, youre a good panda

nice

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Nation of ecologists wrote:wait. The poll says "updated regional flag" or "verdant haven". But isn't Verdant Haven's flag the updated one? Im confused.

No, the updated regional flag is the design on the right of this dispatch. In Mount Seymour's own words:

When I created our current flag back in 2016, I didn't have any downloaded graphics software. As I recall, I made the flag in a vector-editor web tool that may not even exist anymore. The tool didn't have snapping or alignment functions, so I basically just eyeballed everything. As a result, if you look very closely, you may notice that some corners don't exactly meet up and some elements aren't quite centered. I wanted to fix these errors in a renovated design.

I also wanted to incorporate the style of the new Forest logo that I had recently created for an update of the regional dispatches and forum (you can see it in action at the top of the Flag Contest dispatch, as a matter of fact). It's based on the current flag -- for example, the trees are the same dimensions and proportions -- but everything is a little more rounded and smooth, less "chunky". I think it looks both a bit more elegant and a bit more friendly.

Thus, the updated regional flag is a modernised version of the existing regional flag. In contrast, Verdant Haven's design is their own original creation that is inspired by our existing regional flag.

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Terrabod wrote:No, the updated regional flag is the design on the right of this dispatch. In Mount Seymour's own words:

When I created our current flag back in 2016, I didn't have any downloaded graphics software. As I recall, I made the flag in a vector-editor web tool that may not even exist anymore. The tool didn't have snapping or alignment functions, so I basically just eyeballed everything. As a result, if you look very closely, you may notice that some corners don't exactly meet up and some elements aren't quite centered. I wanted to fix these errors in a renovated design.

I also wanted to incorporate the style of the new Forest logo that I had recently created for an update of the regional dispatches and forum (you can see it in action at the top of the Flag Contest dispatch, as a matter of fact). It's based on the current flag -- for example, the trees are the same dimensions and proportions -- but everything is a little more rounded and smooth, less "chunky". I think it looks both a bit more elegant and a bit more friendly.

Thus, the updated regional flag is a modernised version of the existing regional flag. In contrast, Verdant Haven's design is their own original creation that is inspired by our existing regional flag.

Ah, I see. Thank you. It was just confusing because I thought the current one was the one we've always had. Thanks!

Simbolon

Emm, quick question. What would happen to our flag in the event of a tie? Would we cycle flags every tertile? Would we be stuck in a purgatory? Would Chan island's lackeys got buried again after rising?

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Simbolon wrote:Emm, quick question. What would happen to our flag in the event of a tie? Would we cycle flags every tertile? Would we be stuck in a purgatory? Would Chan island's lackeys got buried again after rising?

First of all, fear suddenly grips Terrabod's heart.

Secondly, I think it would make sense for me to then cast a vote for the status quo - which, as we've just discussed, isn't the status quo at all, but you know what I mean. I'm definitely open to suggestions, though. Including me being fired by his lordship for failing to provide a clear-cut resolution to the Flag Contest which would undoubtedly be a grievous offence (if his lordship thought it was a grievous offence).

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