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The Empire of Bathera

Qroma wrote:My bad, i forgot murders are always the victim's fault.

no one said that, its the fault of the shooter and the police for not doing their job

Qroma and Phillip isle

Dectanache

St Scarlett wrote:Your rights are meaningless when you've had two mass shootings in a week.

bro im sorry, i don't like my rights being thrown out, i don't care how many mass shootings there are. i love my guns and i love my rights. the government should not have the ability to "suspend" civil rights and pull a nazi germany

Bathera and Vallony

Vallony

Dectanache wrote:bro im sorry, i don't like my rights being thrown out, i don't care how many mass shootings there are. i love my guns and i love my rights. the government should not have the ability to "suspend" civil rights and pull a nazi germany

agreed. My great grandfather would agree heavily with that one.

The Empire of Bathera

Dectanache wrote:

sorry i don't live in texas, i do not agree with texas letting people open carry without a license.
mr. ramos got his guns from either his close family or somebody near him. them giving him the gun was their irresponsibility. and regardless, anyone can find a gun if they try hard enough, gun control won't stop this.

Gun ownership should require a licence, they should not be banned

Vallony

Dectanache

Berlin and Hanover wrote:That's not the issue, the issue is that America has so much shootings compared to others with high gun ownership, or low gun ownership for that matter. Every shooting is tragic, and in the words of Stalin; "A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths are a statistic." It's unfortunate how true this has become in recent years for the United States.

the problem is, is that police departments or at least the police force are underequipped since america is so decentralized, police departments vary so much. Or people just want to defund cops.

Vallony

The Haugen Matriarchy of St Scarlett

Bathera wrote:People die in car accidents all the time should we ban them?

No, you should have a strict highway code and licenses that can only be obtained with extensive training... oh wait...

Dectanache

St Scarlett wrote:No, you should have a strict highway code and licenses that can only be obtained with extensive training... oh wait...

i don't think you realize how difficult it is to get a gun license in a lot of states in america

Qroma

Bathera wrote:People die in car accidents all the time should we ban them?

you dont want me to answer that

The Empire of Bathera

Dectanache wrote:the problem is, is that police departments or at least the police force are underequipped since america is so decentralized, police departments vary so much. Or people just want to defund cops.

1 No, some police departments have freaking tanks
2 You dont need a lot to take down a scholl shooter

The Haugen Matriarchy of St Scarlett

Dectanache wrote:mr. ramos got his guns from either his close family or somebody near him. them giving him the gun was their irresponsibility. and regardless, anyone can find a gun if they try hard enough, gun control won't stop this.

Wrong, after turning 18 he walked into a gun shop and bought two rifles, nobody checked his mental health for even a second, this is the problem.

You don't even have your facts straight, you shouldn't be arguing anything.

The Empire of Bathera

St Scarlett wrote:No, you should have a strict highway code and licenses that can only be obtained with extensive training... oh wait...

I agree

Dectanache

Bathera wrote:1 No, some police departments have freaking tanks
2 You dont need a lot to take down a scholl shooter

yes SOME police departments have tanks, millions of others DO NOT. that's why i said america is so decentralized that police departments vary so much in funding

yes you do not need a lot to take down a school shooter, the resource officers, if there were any in that school (which should be a requirement in my opinion), failed to do their job

The Haugen Matriarchy of St Scarlett

Vallony wrote:Thats a bad take.

No it's not, when kids and minorities are dying "muh second amendment" is meaningless. If the second amendment means less gun restriction and therefore more child death, it should be reassessed and amended not protected "because it's my right!!!"

The Haugen Matriarchy of St Scarlett

Dectanache wrote:bro im sorry, i don't like my rights being thrown out, i don't care how many mass shootings there are. i love my guns and i love my rights. the government should not have the ability to "suspend" civil rights and pull a nazi germany

Lmao, how can you be this ignorant?

"I don't care how many people die I need to be able to buy as many guns as I want without having to do any real background checks"

The government has every right to reassess rights that are harmful. Owning slaves was once considered a right in America, banning it was not "a Nazi germany".

Dectanache

St Scarlett wrote:Wrong, after turning 18 he walked into a gun shop and bought two rifles, nobody checked his mental health for even a second, this is the problem.

You don't even have your facts straight, you shouldn't be arguing anything.

that's the failure of the gun store owners, their business permits should be removed.

Dectanache

St Scarlett wrote:Lmao, how can you be this ignorant?

"I don't care how many people die I need to be able to buy as many guns as I want without having to do any real background checks"

The government has every right to reassess rights that are harmful. Owning slaves was once considered a right in America, banning it was not "a Nazi germany".

no the government does not have a right

The Haugen Matriarchy of St Scarlett

Dectanache wrote:i don't think you realize how difficult it is to get a gun license in a lot of states in america

Clearly not difficult enough, unless you can suggest another reason America has twice as many shootings as any other nation in the developed world?

Yahlia, Laver Island, Qroma, Apabeossie, and 5 othersRary, Libertandonien, Eco-Paris Reformation, Berlin and Hanover, and Phillip isle

The Grand Falconer of Europe of The New Nordic Union

Dectanache wrote:i don't think you realize how difficult it is to get a gun license in a lot of states in america

In several states, you don't need one.

Dectanache

St Scarlett wrote:Clearly not difficult enough, unless you can suggest another reason America has twice as many shootings as any other nation in the developed world?

america is very decentralized. it varies a lot by state but in a lot of states, it's hard to get a gun license

The Haugen Matriarchy of St Scarlett

Dectanache wrote:no the government does not have a right

So you think they shouldn't have banned slavery then?

Good to know.

Laver Island, Qroma, Rary, Libertandonien, and 4 othersEco-Paris Reformation, Berlin and Hanover, Phillip isle, and Abeskaland

Dectanache

my rights should not be taken away because of someone else's action, the law enforcements incapability to do their job should not land on me

The Open Principality of Eco-Paris Reformation

This much I can say. As a conservative in the United States, I believe in the right to bear arms in order to protect oneself, one's life, and one's property. I can, however, understand both sides of the argument and believe that there should be more restrictions on who can have firearms and what sorts of guns they may have. It is never a good idea to ban anything. People will discover methods to get around the law. Expanding background checks and increasing law and order are what we need. Security is also quite important. Mental health is also a major issue that has to be addressed.

Nardin, Rary, Libertandonien, Berlin and Hanover, and 2 othersPhillip isle, and Abeskaland

The Constitutional Monarchy of Regnum Italiae

In Italy, and pretty much all over Europe, you can easily have a license to own a gun. Yet, your gun needs to be registered, you can use only certain types of ammunition, you cannot own military grade weapons (why would anyone need an AR (who need extensive training to be used properly) when a gun is way more effective and easy to use? There's a reason to why peasants used forks and spears rather than swords and bows), and to carry a gun out of your house you'd need another kind of permit. So, actually, you are pretty free to own guns in Italy. USAmericans pride themselves in having rights anyone has, but do not want the responsibilities that such right carry with them. Fix your country.

The Federal Kingdom of Nardin

I can understand owning something like a small sidearm for home defense, but what civilian in their right mind would want (or need, really) to own full or semi-automatic rifles? And why would you want to let 18 year olds be able to buy them?

Dectanache

St Scarlett wrote:So you think they shouldn't have banned slavery then?

Good to know.

those are two separate situations, one is letting people be free and the other is removing people's guns are two different things. the second amendment ensures that you wont be enslaved by the government

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