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The Interdimensional Union of Deprauration

Bouncepot wrote:Don't mind me randomly being up at 7:00 a.m, I just remembered that I can hypothetically spell gibberish as “Dgeoberischi” following English spelling rules

I remember hearing that the English language has so many unnecessary rules and complications because poorer people couldn't afford to understand all of them, and so only the elite could speak "proper" english

The Republic of Kelesi

Deprauration wrote:I remember hearing that the English language has so many unnecessary rules and complications because poorer people couldn't afford to understand all of them, and so only the elite could speak "proper" english

English - especially the way we think of it as proper English - was heavily influenced by class divisions. This phenomenon is by no means unique to English, but the language’s path is particularly messy and layered due to how it evolved.

Historically, English has always been a bit of a hodgepodge. First, you have the Old English spoken by the Anglo-Saxons, a Germanic language. Then, in 1066, the Norman conquest brought an influx of French influence. After a few centuries, you get this blend of Germanic and Latinate vocabulary, which already begins to split words into high and low categories. For instance, we got "ask" (Germanic) for commoners and "inquire" (Latinate) for the upper class, or "kingly" vs. "royal." This distinction is one of the earliest markers of how English started to stratify along class lines.

In the 18th century, English was being standardized with grammar books and dictionaries. This was during a time when the educated elite were often looking down on the way commoners spoke, and it was common practice to design grammar rules based on Latin; a language that doesn’t share much with English structurally. Latin-inspired rules, like not splitting infinitives (e.g., “to boldly go” vs. “to go boldly”), were enforced not because English worked that way naturally, but because Latin did, and it sounded "refined" or "educated." English itself was never meant to follow these rules, but they became markers of "proper" speech.

Then you have pronunciation standards, which got cemented with the advent of broadcast media and education systems that emphasized "standard" English. The British Received Pronunciation is a great example of an accent that was, for a long time, a hallmark of upper-class education and a key to social mobility in Britain.

For people from poorer backgrounds, access to education was often limited, making it challenging to learn and master these proper forms. Therefore, in a way, the complex rules, elitist standards, and judgments over how to speak English often served as gatekeepers. Those who didn’t or couldn’t master these rules were socially marked as "lower class" or less educated, even though they were just using English in a way that was natural to them.

On top of that, some of the complexity of English grammar and spelling is a historical accident. English spelling, for example, didn’t become standardized until the printing press came along in the 15th century, and even then, it was inconsistently enforced. So, while other languages underwent spelling reforms, English was left with a chaotic mix of influences, like silent letters and inconsistent rules, that has endured.

TL;DR: you're right.

The Do we Acknowledge or Not of Warzone Codger

^Let's know our place then.

The Federal Republic of BRASIL1235

Government
State-Owned Industry
Private Industry
Black Market (estimated)
A Economia BRASIL1235ianaPIB: 35,9 trilhões de reais
43.796 reais por pessoa

Government
State-Owned Industry
Private Industry
Black Market (estimated)
The Economy BRAZIL1235ianaGDP: 35.9 trillion reais
43,796 reais per person

The Federal Republic of BRASIL1235

What did you think of my economy?

BRASIL1235 wrote:Government
State-Owned Industry
Private Industry
Black Market (estimated)
A Economia BRASIL1235ianaPIB: 35,9 trilhões de reais
43.796 reais por pessoa

Government
State-Owned Industry
Private Industry
Black Market (estimated)
The Economy BRAZIL1235ianaGDP: 35.9 trillion reais
43,796 reais per person

The Ersialistlik Organisatsioon of Perno Comitee

Bouncepot wrote:Hey Perno, what do you think of these flags: https://youtu.be/YijXYG0edSA?si=az9GcLbs0lVYsXV8 (these are the 19 grand divisions of Bouncepot)

Some Are interesting some are Boring.
Prθto has a very interesting flag, but it kinda makes me feel bad.
Gátirea has a cool flag.
Θaštë (I hope I Spelt it correctly) has a cool flag too.

The Singularity of Bouncepot

Deprauration wrote:I remember hearing that the English language has so many unnecessary rules and complications because poorer people couldn't afford to understand all of them, and so only the elite could speak "proper" english

In linguistics We refer to the idea of there being a correct way to speak a language as “Prescriptivism”

The Singularity of Bouncepot

Perno Comitee wrote:Some Are interesting some are Boring.
Prθto has a very interesting flag, but it kinda makes me feel bad.
Gátirea has a cool flag.
Θaštë (I hope I Spelt it correctly) has a cool flag too.

I don't remember Prθo being spelled with a t between the theta and o, but hey it's sometimes alternately spelled like “Prθto” in official documents, but what do you think about the flag of Θisθinar?

The Ersialistlik Organisatsioon of Perno Comitee

Bouncepot wrote:I don't remember Prθo being spelled with a t between the theta and o, but hey it's sometimes alternately spelled like “Prθto” in official documents, but what do you think about the flag of Θisθinar?

Nah, I just forgot to check If I wrote it correctly.
Θisθinar 7.5/10,
But for some reason I Don't like the red and orange touching eachother.

The Singularity of Bouncepot

Perno Comitee wrote:Nah, I just forgot to check If I wrote it correctly.
Θisθinar 7.5/10,
But for some reason I Don't like the red and orange touching eachother.

It's actually meant to be yellow lol, I'm surprised you haven't commented on the capital theta thats on the flag of Θisθinar

The Ersialistlik Organisatsioon of Perno Comitee

Bouncepot wrote:It's actually meant to be yellow lol, I'm surprised you haven't commented on the capital theta thats on the flag of Θisθinar

a little bit of orange is inside the theta,
That kinda p***ed me off.
Is it meant to be like that?

The Singularity of Bouncepot

Perno Comitee wrote:a little bit of orange is inside the theta,
That kinda p***ed me off.
Is it meant to be like that?

Before that it was actually a more orangish yellow color, Also here's the distribution of Ridinian Languages: https://youtu.be/M_cgHBdatuw?si=SVAYfoJe8RYUbS5U (Western, Insular, & Peninsular are branches that went extinct, and Pelsaquin and Gátire are Eastern Ridinian while Gür & Fayrian are Central Ridinian)

The Federation of Tomato Lands

daily meme 15/20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5KEC-CHOdQ

The Ersialistlik Organisatsioon of Perno Comitee

The Картофельная Империя is back and this time I Made a poll.

page=poll/p=306609

Do You like potatoes?

And Also:
Does allergy of potatoes exist?

Brihottoro bongo

Mallabhum State wrote:
Fan of the Theatre of Cruelty and Antonin Artaud
Additionally im like 2% french on my mother's side, but thats not rlly enough to account for anything tbh

Noice

The Singularity of Bouncepot

Perno Comitee what do you think about that Ridinian language distribution map?

The Ersialistlik Organisatsioon of Perno Comitee

Bouncepot wrote:Perno Comitee what do you think about that Ridinian language distribution map?

It's difficult for me to tell apart from some of the colors.

The Interdimensional Union of Deprauration

Bouncepot, are you learning linguistics?

The Singularity of Bouncepot

Perno Comitee wrote:It's difficult for me to tell apart from some of the colors.

Sorry that's a blunder on my part, but you can probably tell which branch is where, Peninsular is on Crimea as well as certain locations close to Crimea , Insular is on the random islands in the Baltic including Hiiumaa & Saaremaa, West sprinkled throughout the Benelux & British isles.

The Singularity of Bouncepot

Deprauration wrote:Bouncepot, are you learning linguistics?

No I just know a lot of stuff about linguistics

The Ersialistlik Organisatsioon of Perno Comitee

Bouncepot wrote:Sorry that's a blunder on my part, but you can probably tell which branch is where, Peninsular is on Crimea, Insular is on the random islands in the Baltic including Hiiumaa & Saaremaa, West sprinkled throughout the Benelux & British isles.

Yes, that's true

Btw I will ask you what you think of the Echemin [eχɛmin] language map, when I Fix the "Minor" inaccuracies on the map.

The Interdimensional Union of Deprauration

The most degenerate person you've ever met here?
Considering that this region is ejection-free, it's most likely that lots of absolutely horrible people were here for some time before nationstates mods took them out

The Singularity of Bouncepot

Perno Comitee wrote:Yes, that's true

Btw I will ask you what you think of the Echemin [eχɛmin] language map, when I Fix the "Minor" inaccuracies on the map.

I have a question for you, since y'know you own Hiiumaa & Saaremaa in universe what happened to the Insular Ridinian language of Jándzao (pronounced [jaːntsau̯]) which was spoken of Hiiumaa, considering you know, Jándzao went extinct in 1996.

The Interdimensional Union of Deprauration

Kelesi wrote: -snip-

I often think about how class separation impacts our aspects of life, including our language.

The United Artzik Space Command of Artzikatonastan

instead of preparing cakes and decorations for Halloween, prepare the defenses and guns for when Mariah Carey will defrost herself.

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