Gay EqualityBoard

Liberfreedomia wrote:

It's great that you're proud of it, pride is a really personal feeling. I personally don't feel any pride with regards to me being a part of the LGBT, but I'm glad for you that you do. 🙂

I’m sorry to hear that. If you’re gay you can be proud of yourself in this day and age. Self-hate is a common condition than can be overcome. Most of us have been there.

Liberfreedomia wrote:

I think you misunderstand me, sorry if I wasn't clear. I don't hate myself in the slightest. My sexuality is a part of me, but it's just one small part. I feel pride when I accomplish or do something. I'm bi, I don't mind it, I just don't feel proud to be bi.

All right. We’re talking at cross purposes. You are posting to us from a “christian” region. I’m not sure why you are keen to make the point you are making.

Liberfreedomia wrote:

I'm a part of the LGBT but I don't feel like a part of the community. Another issue is that I'm not a big fan of labels, nor do I get why we're lumped together. Than again I'm very individualistic minded so that might be it.

You dismiss Gay Pride and the rainbow flag, yet you come to us under the big banner of Union of Christian Nations. A request: If you are going to discuss LGBT matters, join the region. You would be welcome.

It is facile to rubbish labels. We are all labelled, sometimes by nasty, hateful language, and we learn to deal with it and accept a sense of pride in ourselves. Of course we are not just gay, or transgender, or female, or black, or whatever we may be, but we have a right and duty to show solidarity with those in our communities (plural). We are all individuals who think for ourselves, but we owe a duty to others.

Pretty Boy wrote:

You dismiss Gay Pride and the rainbow flag, yet you come to us under the big banner of Union of Christian Nations. A request: If you are going to discuss LGBT matters, join the region. You would be welcome.

It is facile to rubbish labels. We are all labelled, sometimes by nasty, hateful language, and we learn to deal with it and accept a sense of pride in ourselves. Of course we are not just gay, or transgender, or female, or black, or whatever we may be, but we have a right and duty to show solidarity with those in our communities (plural). We are all individuals who think for ourselves, but we owe a duty to others.

I dismiss it on a personal level, not for others. Sure that request is fine. Here is my new puppet.

I don't understand how I have a duty towards the LGBT community?

'I said to myself, enough of the shame!'

When he began performing, as a boy in South Africa, Johannes Radebe was told he would never win. But he overcame homophobia and homelessness to become a beloved dance pioneer

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/jan/22/enough-shame-johannes-radebe-fought-bullies-strictly-superstar

Libertatfreedomia wrote:

I don't understand how I have a duty towards the LGBT community?

I don’t understand how you don’t understand. 🙂

People are being imprisoned and executed in countries with too much religion for being gay. Most of us here breathe a sigh of relief that we live in some nice European country, or Canada. But do we not feel a connection with our compatriots in Uganda, Iran or Saudi Arabia? If someone is beaten up for being gay, as still happens even in the best of places, do we not take a breath and feel concern?Someone sacked from their job or bullied in the schoolyard - a shrug of the shoulders? Just as we can feel empathy for people unlike ourselves who are in difficulty, we have a bond with those who have lived and are living our own experience, don’t we?

Pretty Boy wrote:

I don’t understand how you don’t understand. 🙂

People are being imprisoned and executed in countries with too much religion for being gay. Most of us here breathe a sigh of relief that we live in some nice European country, or Canada. But do we not feel a connection with our compatriots in Uganda, Iran or Saudi Arabia? If someone is beaten up for being gay, as still happens even in the best of places, do we not take a breath and feel concern?Someone sacked from their job or bullied in the schoolyard - a shrug of the shoulders? Just as we can feel empathy for people unlike ourselves who are in difficulty, we have a bond with those who have lived and are living our own experience, don’t we?

I mean yeah sure, I don't like that those things happen but I'm not from Iran, Uganda or Saudi Arabia. I can't really impact those places. I won't vote for political parties that support those countries, but you know I don't have MBS on speed dial. I don't really feel that bond to be honest, I feel a bond with my family, friends and other people I know and further for the country I live in. But yeah as you say I do feel concern I just think I have a duty if something bad happens in Iran for example. One has a duty towards their family, friends, the people they know and the country in which one resides.

Libertatfreedomia wrote:

I mean yeah sure, I don't like that those things happen but I'm not from Iran, Uganda or Saudi Arabia. I can't really impact those places. I won't vote for political parties that support those countries, but you know I don't have MBS on speed dial. I don't really feel that bond to be honest, I feel a bond with my family, friends and other people I know and further for the country I live in. But yeah as you say I do feel concern I just think I have a duty if something bad happens in Iran for example. One has a duty towards their family, friends, the people they know and the country in which one resides.

That’s bleak. Right-wing American? Just a guess.

PS What does MBS mean?

Liberfreedomia wrote:

It's great that you're proud of it, pride is a really personal feeling. I personally don't feel any pride with regards to me being a part of the LGBT, but I'm glad for you that you do. 🙂

I refer to pride in the sense of the movement and less in that of the feeling. I don't really think I feel pride in that sense. I am just me.

Otis-T wrote:

I refer to pride in the sense of the movement and less in that of the feeling. I don't really think I feel pride in that sense. I am just me.

Well put. I’d agree with that. I don’t feel a puffed up pride in myself, but I feel a strong connection with a group of fellow human beings. That’s good enough for me.

Pretty Boy wrote:

That’s bleak. Right-wing American? Just a guess.

PS What does MBS mean?

Nope, left-wing social democrat from Europe. In full support of gay rights lol.

MBS: Mohammed bin Salman, Crown Prince, Prime Minister and de facto leader of Saudi Arabia

Libertatfreedomia wrote:

Nope, left-wing social democrat from Europe. In full support of gay rights lol.

MBS: Mohammed bin Salman, Crown Prince, Prime Minister and de facto leader of Saudi Arabia

OK

Pretty Boy wrote:

OK

What made you think I'm a right-wing American of all things?

Otis-T wrote:

I refer to pride in the sense of the movement and less in that of the feeling. I don't really think I feel pride in that sense. I am just me.

Yeah but I don't feel represented by the movement either. 😅

Libertatfreedomia wrote:

What made you think I'm a right-wing American of all things?

« One has a duty towards their family, friends, the people they know and the country in which one resides.« »

Text book.

Libertatfreedomia wrote:

Yeah but I don't feel represented by the movement either. 😅

This region is called Gay Equality. That’s our aim. Our banner is a bunched rainbow with a big loving heart in the middle. You don’t feel represented by that sort of thing, ok, why then are you here?

Pretty Boy wrote:

« One has a duty towards their family, friends, the people they know and the country in which one resides.« »

Text book.This region is called Gay Equality. That’s our aim. Our banner is a bunched rainbow with a big loving heart in the middle. You don’t feel represented by that sort of thing, ok, why then are you here?

I mean sure, but why would I give conservatives ownership over those values? I mean I care about the people around me so I want them to have healthcare, economic support and education, thus I vote left-wing on economic issues.

On the other part you requested I move a nation here. Plus I like chatting about people's different perspectives. 😅

Is there something you think I said that you have a problem with?

Libertatfreedomia wrote:

Is there something you think I said that you have a problem with?

Just about everything but it’s novel to have discussion here and I wouldn’t want to deprive anyone of that. Love and peace. 😇

Pretty Boy wrote:

Just about everything but it’s novel to have discussion here and I wouldn’t want to deprive anyone of that. Love and peace. 😇

I mean sure, anything in particular?

Libertatfreedomia wrote:

Yeah but I don't feel represented by the movement either. 😅

Would you mind elaborating on this a bit more? In what sense do you not feel represented?

I find your take interesting in the sense that you question whether you'd rather be bold and essentially be yourself freely versus assimilate with norms that would scrutinize and repress you without repercussions. Neither option is comfortable because in one you face resistance and discrimination, but in the other you're just hiding in hopes people you've built relationships with don't find out and ostracize you.

Pride is an incredibly diverse movement with many different focuses and sects at this point and your generalization of the people it covers seems very shallow and overdone.

My aim is not to convince you to accept pride or become involved in it either, I just want to better understand your take because it seems quite counter intuitive in the sense of gaining acceptance at any scale, whether it be personal or greater.

Libertatfreedomia wrote:

I mean sure, anything in particular?

Dismissive attitude to the idea of a « gay community ». We are individuals who think for ourselves, sure, but the whole idea is to be able to connect and empathise with strangers, as opposed to just « family and friends ».

Pretty Boy wrote:

Dismissive attitude to the idea of a « gay community ». We are individuals who think for ourselves, sure, but the whole idea is to be able to connect and empathise with strangers, as opposed to just « family and friends ».

I mean yeah with regards to me personally. I don't care or judge what others do. I do believe you have a duty to your family and friends before anyone else. Doesn't mean you can't connect to others, we were talking about those you have a duty towards.

Otis-T wrote:

Would you mind elaborating on this a bit more? In what sense do you not feel represented?

I find your take interesting in the sense that you question whether you'd rather be bold and essentially be yourself freely versus assimilate with norms that would scrutinize and repress you without repercussions. Neither option is comfortable because in one you face resistance and discrimination, but in the other you're just hiding in hopes people you've built relationships with don't find out and ostracize you.

Pride is an incredibly diverse movement with many different focuses and sects at this point and your generalization of the people it covers seems very shallow and overdone.

My aim is not to convince you to accept pride or become involved in it either, I just want to better understand your take because it seems quite counter intuitive in the sense of gaining acceptance at any scale, whether it be personal or greater.

I mean genuinely it just isn't my thing. I'm bi, but I'm also pretty regular of a guy when it comes to my interests. Next to that, my sexuality is a part of me, but I don't make it my personality. I'm not the type to scream "I'm queer and I'm here". Like I'm bi, I'm okay with that, I don't accept homophobia and so on. I'm just not the type to wave a rainbow flag around.

Also often a big focus of the community gets into the realm of identity politics. That's not really my thing, I take people as individuals and have more of an interest with economic or foreign policy issues.

Than you have trans advocacy which is good, but I'm not trans and their issues are very different from the L, G and B.

But again I don't mind Pride people should be free to express themselves however they want, it's just not my cup of tea.