"Everyone can be convinced through lying, whereas speaking the truth gains you many enemies."
That is why Fascism is unpopular. We smash the human sense of compassion with reality. So are worth, progress and time. Human concepts. We may not become a perfect society, but the best of all.
Temple state
Perfection is Divine. God is Perfection personified. And to attain it is what is called Sainthood in orthodox terms or Union with God in more heterodox terms.
I think you are rather just tinkering with semantics around the same thoughts that the Bible and other Perennialist worldviews already set forth in ancient times.
Denying God is like denying all positive atrributes at once, the source of virtue itself.
Or that all things have a first cause. Or, even in the small 'god' to deny that all humans are driven by and in fact worship the notions they value the most, which we all know they do.
Do you deny all spiritual existence or just the idea of a Creator even if there is spiritual existence?
Gronsted
Lies are lies, fairy tales are fairy tales. They are useful to learn, but not to be used as basis of state.
God is the opium of the masses to keep them docile and occupied. Politicians shouldn't take opium.
And even if there was a god, it would not solve, but worsen the existential questions we have. God is everywhere? How? What and where does he come from? Why did he make us? Out of boredom? Are we just servants or children that one day will become a god?
Temple state
You can't fake faith for political purposes and Fascism is, among other things, about expunging lies from politics. So why were so many of the original Fascist movements religious in your opinion?
I think you take an extreme Machiavellian position rather.
To ask if He made us in boredom tells me more about how you personally view your own existence than what it does about the nature or state of God.
As for religion not being the sound basis of government or statehood I don't know what history you study but it can't be the one about humans, because theocracies in our history tend to be the norm.
And you still haven't answered about your brand of atheism, is it metaphysical or just antitheistic?
Btw, to use quotes from Marx against Tradition? smh
And furthermore, about your first point: What is Perfection to you? Materialistic and aesthetic? Making WH40k Space Marines?
Perfection does not exist. But we need to believe in it. Same is god. We need someone we can believe in. I do not want to though.
I explained already. Life is a play, or rather a drama. Play the role you may like. It does not matter in the end if you lived a good or bad life. I will stop existing one day. Until that day, I shall play a part. As he said, "I rather be a lion for one day then a sheep the rest of my life
Maybe. What should we do else. Humans need an enemy to fight to unite. Other life would be a blessing. Without war, there is no peace or unity. But war and peace are themselves just relative terms, too vague. I asked myself what Humanity should do if it does not matter anyway. Well, if it is a game, why not be the best at it? Why not be the strongest. This will keep us occupied.
Temple state
This depressing nihilism as foundation for state ideology wouldn't last very long. Such a regime, assigning all purpose through mere physical function and aesthetics, would turn self-serving and tyrannical. The life of an ant, whatever it may think, must be along the lines of doing what it does because it is already doing it and not doing would just make it croak. Just pure instinct makes it keep on working to the grave.
But since man is not just animal, or you could say, because we have intelligence, man needs an inner cause to exist. So far we both agree.
Where we don't agree is upon showing subjects dishonesty about values. That is one of the main ingredients of tyranny. To cause the populace to fall into ignorance about what the rulers are really up to in the long run. Because I believe that good governance is fair it should show honesty in this regard about the beliefs it fosters, not talking about military and state secrets here though.
We are not ants.
Ultimately, metaphysically, God is also the only thing that can truly justify any variation of Absolute Monarchy or Autocracy. There must be a way to hold rulers accountable, I just think it is better done with Tradition than constitutions.
Gronsted
This is where we separate. Yes, we are not. We are less optimized, believing that death will give freedom. That the universe (as you call it "god") will do "good" and "judge" us. They are born, they work, they die. The communist dream. Communism doesn't work for humans. We are not ants, but we do not need to build on a false "god".
Temple state
Believing that death equals freedom is Gnostic. Far more so than any Christian doctrine.
As for the perceived moral nihilism of God it is only blamed on Him due to us being free but not wise as human beings, in our undertakings. The Judgement goes beyond your understanding. Just like the nature of God, who is within us and beyond.
I never advocated for communism. This is weak argumentation on your side. I think hierarchy must be preserved, so that everyone judicially innocent may eat and be sheltered at least. As long as they pay back to the community in some way.
Gronsted
In what part did I say YOU where a Communist? I said Communism doesn't work for us because we are not a Hive.
To finish this, I may state the obvious. Yes, knowledge is power, but some need to be left in the shadows of nothing and lies. Religion is a tool. But before we manipulate our self, we must leave behind the human perspective, see like to universe really is. We must be our worlds architects. Our children and theirs may believe in a god that does good and watches them. Like the story of Santa putting presents under the tree. The parents do it, and while the children believe it, the world gains some magic for them. We are not yet god(s). You may choose if you want to become a parent one day or stay a child. Society is formed by the strong. My friend, we should be the wolfs, not the sheep. I can respect if you believe in it for motivation, but fairy tales are not facts. I can not help you. This way can only be entered alone. There are many questions that seem to have no answers. Why believe in something that needs to be said by humans when the answer can be found outside. Life is a machine. Build from carbon and other chemicals. Evolved though biological adaptation aka. evolution. Why do we believe in things said by people 2000 years ago which didn't even know that they where not the center of the universe. Religion is fraud, a tool, a fairy tale that spreads like a virus because it is too easy and too welcoming to be denied. "Humanity was chosen by god" - "We will find salvation in heaven" - "Do no evil and you will go to heaven" There is no salvation in "heaven", and because you add "If you kill yourself it doesn't count" it makes things so ironic. Your salvation is found though purpose in life, you serve not yourself, but your species.
It might take time to eradicate the uncleaned religions of humanity, but to reeducate the people that they serve the greater good by becoming the best they can is important. Healthy egoism. Serve you kind and than yourself, not the other way around like we are educated. "Heaven" plays to this, this egoism. "I will be saved by god that loves ME unconditionally" Where once was a sense of direction it has devolved into an sick excuse for any crime because it was faulty in the first place. You die one day, regardless if you saved 1000 people or killed a million. And, in the end, what makes your rule book the best? Islam is wrong, and why may I ask? Because your Propaganda says so, or is there something else then hollow chatter from a book you learned from childbirth? Is there any sign of rules or god outside of these books? Look into the forest, look into space. There is none. I hope people will learn before we killed our self with egoism and capitalism.
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Leodoxa
Чещем а Ауве, всi лудi! Hello and Ave everyone!
I am an experienced NationStateser, and devout Roman Catholic conservative traditionalist, leaning towards Christian monarchism. I am interested in learning more about Fascism as an ideological concept, and to --at the very least-- have a community to chitchat with that shuns la mode moderne and knows the True way to live and doesn't encourage or tolerate destructive and poisonous behavior.
In terms of the poll, specifically for alternative energy sources, I firmly believe that nuclear energy should, and will be, the primary source of energy that we strive to make greater use of.
I think "All of the Above" is a bit too easy, but... I don't want our governments to solve this. They shall all fail. Out of their ashes the new fascist phoenix shall rise to restart our fight for perfection.
We cannot... we must not build on the corrupted foundations of European democracies.
A guy sees a lamp, rubs it, and a Genie comes out. The genie is so happy that he decides to grant one wish. The guy thinks about it and says "I want to be a powerful man in the world, and have a beautiful wife"
The next morning the guy awake in a unfamiliar room, and a beautiful woman said to him
"Wake up John, it's a busy day, we have a car tour in Dallas"
Temple state
Who said anything about democracies even being able to carry out these policies? I don't know about you, but I don't want to see my family starve, especially not my kids. Hence I'd appreciate if any country did all of the above, no matter their other deficiencies.
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