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The Whenua Rongonui of Aotearoa Zealand

Why my economy SUCK

The Dream of Themsylvanii

Grabistonia wrote:Totally fair argument. I personally disagree, however.

Eh, I suppose we'll just have to disagree. Personally, if a tradition is rooted in injustice then I'm not interested in continuing it.

Khalkasia, Midterra, Sauros, Immaculate Perception, and 3 othersHeaven Tactical, Gramscica, and The peoples commune

Khalkasia

Aotearoa Zealand wrote:Why my economy SUCK

it wont in long run, just keep answering issues.

Grabistonia

Themsylvanii wrote:Eh, I suppose we'll just have to disagree. Personally, if a tradition is rooted in injustice then I'm not interested in continuing it.

Totally fair. Glad we can just agree to not argue.

The Ceaseless Clusterfrick of Giratyphon

Varsechnia wrote:How do you decrease black markets? What are the factors that affect it? I usually struggle with black markets on my last playthroughs.

Don't really have an answer, but here you can find the results of every issue option and the effects on every stat
http://www.mwq.dds.nl/ns/results/

South Miruva, Sauros, The left wing federation, Varsechnia, and 1 otherSkandimia

The Anarchist Confederacy of Ghillemear

Announcement from the General Assembly:

The Backup Region Amendment (Access Confirmation) has PASSED the General Assembly with 5 votes FOR and 1 ABSTENTION.

Ghillemear: FOR - "This is an important amendment that closes potential security breaches on our backup region."

Gloucester City: FOR - "It's an easy choice due to you need to backup anything to ensure a plan b if things would go wrong."

Remandia: FOR - "This amendment is essential for the safety of assemblians and continuation of TLA's legacy."

Republican jericho: ABSTAIN - In Absentia.

Sauros: FOR - "It codifies a procedure that while simple, is vital for regional security and ensuring a solid defense against raids or coup attempts."

Democratic republic of san ma: FOR - "I find that it adds extra guarantees to the process of conserving a backup plan for the TLA, and is a major bill for Internal Security."

Unity in Diversity,

Speaker Ghillemear

South Miruva, Sauros, The left wing federation, and Grabistonia

The peoples commune

What do you think of the Norwegian butcher Breivik. Killed 77 people. However, he was only sentenced to 21 years in prison. And they were given preferential treatment in jail.

Post by The party of upwards suppressed by a moderator.

The peoples commune

The party of upwards wrote:What should his sentence be?

21 years in a nursing home-level prison

Post by The party of upwards suppressed by a moderator.

The peoples commune

The party of upwards wrote:I meant, what would YOU prescribe for him if you could.

death penalty. But it's not hanging, lethal injection, or shooting, because it's too humane for such people.Take off his organs and give them to those who need them. (and no anesthesia)

Khalkasia

The Socialist People's Union of Midterra

The party of upwards wrote:I meant, what would YOU prescribe for him if you could.

My humble opinion: if someone is so detatched from society's rules and commons as to consider killing a person, worse is multiple times, not depending from the number, they surely need the longest and intensive treatment of rehab.
21 years seems fine to me.
In Midterra's system, completely relying in rehabilitation processes and structures, is even too much of a penalty, since the maximum a judge can sentence here is 10 obligatory years of strict rehabilitation, and surely these type of crimes deserve this.
Then again, in Midterra the psychologists' team that follow the singular individual are central, and have the binding opinion on how the rehab treatments are working or not; the judge can reiterate the sentence, maybe with a tweak or two on it to accomodate the psychologists' report, on and on and on... until something works out.
And if not, too bad, the subject still would have lived surveilled, restricted, and also protected, from others and from themselves.

The peoples commune

Midterra wrote:My humble opinion: if someone is so detatched from society's rules and commons as to consider killing a person, worse is multiple times, not depending from the number, they surely need the longest and intensive treatment of rehab.
21 years seems fine to me.
In Midterra's system, completely relying in rehabilitation processes and structures, is even too much of a penalty, since the maximum a judge can sentence here is 10 obligatory years of strict rehabilitation, and surely these type of crimes deserve this.
Then again, in Midterra the psychologists' team that follow the singular individual are central, and have the binding opinion on how the rehab treatments are working or not; the judge can reiterate the sentence, maybe with a tweak or two on it to accomodate the psychologists' report, on and on and on... until something works out.
And if not, too bad, the subject still would have lived surveilled, restricted, and also protected, from others and from themselves.

Why do I feel like he doesn't deserve to waste so many resources on a murderer.He had killed so many people and felt no guilt, he was hopeless.Giving his organs to the needy is the real atonement

The soviet worker, Heaven Tactical, and Skandimia

Skandimia

Hi everyone!

The Peoples Empire of Yong

I haven’t decided what Yong does with its worst criminal. I focus way more on detriment than punishment

Gonationg

The peoples commune wrote:What do you think of the Norwegian butcher Breivik. Killed 77 people. However, he was only sentenced to 21 years in prison. And they were given preferential treatment in jail.

Whilst I agree people should be given punishment for crime, I'm also shocked by the people's response here given it being a leftist channel. Personally, my focus will always be on rehabilitation into society. I think if you're taking 20 years of someone's life, then, really, why not 50? or 60?
To clarify what I mean, this. Imagine a 20 year old is a convicted murderer. He gets 20 years in jail. What do you think he's going to do when he's released as a 40 year old, go to college, start a career? Perhaps, but that's not nearly as likely, especially if the emphasis is on punishment rather than reforming the criminal.
Also, what do you think his odds are of landing a great job with that criminal record on him after being released? Of course, not matter how long, he'll still be a convicted criminal. But yeah

Midterra, Sauros, Vilvorika, The left wing federation, and 5 othersThemsylvanii, Immaculate Perception, Doringia, Polsovia, and Grabistonia

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The left wing federation

Punishment and revenge are never a good way to run a society, and are especially not good ways to treat criminals. We should always focus on giving people a second chance, or if they're too dangerous to let out into the public locked away in at least a moderately humane prison system to reform them into not being murderous beasts.

We should also focus on reducing the societal factors that cause crime, such as poverty and homelessness, rather than blindly punishing everyone for something they may have had to do to survive.

Midterra, Sauros, Vilvorika, Alans Land, and 5 othersThemsylvanii, Immaculate Perception, Doringia, Polsovia, and Lystale

The Manifest Destiny of Heaven Tactical

The party of upwards wrote:What should his sentence be?

Death by a million cuts. We too are subjected to the anti-death penalty capitalists who seek to destroy the leftist utopia our forefathers so diligently fought and bled for. these proxy attacks come via unjust “supply manipulation” of a free and honorable lands are clearly politically aimed bans. These meddling Provocateur’s and their profit driven big pharma conglomerates
seek to cripple our spirt and divide us via these proxy attacks, as such we do not have nor produce the needed chemical formulations for such humane dispatch methods, and shortages the world over run rampant. An interesting and generally much more effective crime deterrent was introduced 2 days after the botched execution of the anti-government leader H. Godwit in which it took 72 hrs before he was finally declared deceased. We mock those who say his prolonged death was not accidental at all and was carried out to intimidate.

Vilvorika

The left wing federation wrote:Punishment and revenge are never a good way to run a society, and are especially not good ways to treat criminals. We should always focus on giving people a second chance, or if they're too dangerous to let out into the public locked away in at least a moderately humane prison system to reform them into not being murderous beasts.

We should also focus on reducing the societal factors that cause crime, such as poverty and homelessness, rather than blindly punishing everyone for something they may have had to do to survive.

Excellent point. I feel that most people are too focused on the immediate facts and nature of a crime when judging criminals and not the underlying factors and root causes behind that crime.

Most crime is not done out of true malice, and even then that malice must have been instilled at some point in a criminal's life.

Criminals aren't born, they're made.

Midterra, Sauros, The left wing federation, Gonationg, and 3 othersImmaculate Perception, Doringia, and Lystale

The soviet worker

The peoples commune wrote:death penalty. But it's not hanging, lethal injection, or shooting, because it's too humane for such people.Take off his organs and give them to those who need them. (and no anesthesia)

Kinda harsh but sort of agree

Khalkasia

Grabistonia

Midterra wrote:My humble opinion: if someone is so detatched from society's rules and commons as to consider killing a person, worse is multiple times, not depending from the number, they surely need the longest and intensive treatment of rehab.
21 years seems fine to me.
In Midterra's system, completely relying in rehabilitation processes and structures, is even too much of a penalty, since the maximum a judge can sentence here is 10 obligatory years of strict rehabilitation, and surely these type of crimes deserve this.
Then again, in Midterra the psychologists' team that follow the singular individual are central, and have the binding opinion on how the rehab treatments are working or not; the judge can reiterate the sentence, maybe with a tweak or two on it to accomodate the psychologists' report, on and on and on... until something works out.
And if not, too bad, the subject still would have lived surveilled, restricted, and also protected, from others and from themselves.

The death penalty in Grabistonia is only limited to those who a board of 13 psychologists from across the nation vote unanimously, otherwise it is up to the judge for other penalties, the limit being 20 years in prison. We focus the most on rehabilitation over punishment, due to the fact that the few felonies we do have in Grabistonia are a cause of mental trauma or illness. If you take a look, crime is on the downturn in our glorious nation. Other than the council and judging, our system works similar to yours.

The only people that are executed with no trials are pedos. They are despicable and have no right to a fair trial after a child is hurt.

Vilvorika

Grabistonia wrote:

The death penalty in Grabistonia is only limited to those who a board of 13 psychologists from across the nation vote unanimously, otherwise it is up to the judge for other penalties, the limit being 20 years in prison. We focus the most on rehabilitation over punishment, due to the fact that the few felonies we do have in Grabistonia are a cause of mental trauma or illness. If you take a look, crime is on the downturn in our glorious nation. Other than the council and judging, our system works similar to yours.

The only people that are executed with no trials are pedos. They are despicable and have no right to a fair trial after a child is hurt.

But how would you know the accused actually did it without a fair trial? 

The Rosy Red Republics of Gloucester City

The Gloucester death penalty is between 2 options.

1. Listsn a capitalist person rant about free and fair elections for these crimes.

Anything besides murder and disrespecting King Deslacino who is a legend in Gloucester lore

2. Ride a skateboard throughout the entirety of the transcontinental and if you do it somehow u gotta do thst 17 mire times.

Grabistonia

Vilvorika wrote:But how would you know the accused actually did it without a fair trial? 

The point is that proven pedophiles with hard evidence are executed, those accused are not terminated until proof is found in any form.

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