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The Red and Gold Republic of Llorens

One thousand down, many thousands to go!

Nottinhaps, Libertasnia, Argentigrad, Dawtania, and 2 othersAgraestan, and Gloucester City

The Cryptocracy of The Final Horseman

Llo is a big nerd

The Commonwealth of Greylyn

The Final Horseman wrote:Llo is a big nerd

Yes. He is. And Hecknamistan is a meanie cuz he keeps changing my discord name. 😡 🐜

The Proletarian Dictatorship of Argentigrad

We've reached one thousand RMB pages!

Thanks to everyone who's been a part of this journey, whether you are a long-time citizen or not, and wether you post regularly or are otherwise more silent, because, even without knowing, and by just residing in TLA, you have contributed to making our region a better place, and our community a more lively and friendly one.

No matter the reason you joined us, no matter your ideology, thank you for being with us, because we find our Unity in Diversity!

Sincerely,
Argentigrad.

I wanted to be the first, but Llo had to take that away from me! Grrrr...

Mexican Communists, The Final Horseman, Nottinhaps, Llorens, and 11 othersNew Arkados, Kavagrad, Grod Island, Greater Vietnam, Dawtania, Greylyn, Fevhader, Idezvoya, The concordian federation, Indohyusiana, and Gaymer nation

Nottinhaps

We managed to get to 1000 pages of RMB!

In these 1000 pages contain the history of TLA: Its founding, our very first election, the development of our government structure, the April Crisis, the August Farce... the list goes on and on.

These 1000 pages also show how every member of this wonderful community came to TLA, and how they continued to build upon TLA. It serves as a testimony that every nation can eventually become pillars of this community.

So here's to another thousand pages on the RMB.

The Commonwealth of Greylyn

NOW PRESENTING....The....
Civil Service Bill!!! 🎉 🥳

Overview

Purpose
The bill seeks to establish civil services in the Cabinet.

Author/Signatory

Greylyn

Result

? Yes, ? No

Proposed Law

1. Hereafter referred to as the Civil Service:

  1. Citizens shall have the freedom to join and assist a relevant ministry in its efforts

  2. Participants shall be labelled Civil Servants (CSs) and shall be directed by their relevant minister

  3. Prospective CSs are to voice their interest through the RMB, telegram to the relevant ministry, or the regional Discord

  4. The relevant ministry must provide a valid reason for refusal such as assistance not being necessary for that particular ministry

2. The following responsibilities shall be expected to be fulfilled by all Civil Servants:

  1. Civil Servants shall be expected to keep a regular line of communication with their ministry

  2. Civil Servants shall be expected to keep up regular activity within their Service

  3. Civil Servants shall be expected to announce any leave of absences before becoming inactive for a period of time

  4. Civil Servants are to announce their leave of absence or resignation to their relevant ministry head

3. The executive branch may, at its discretion, develop and/or alter an application process to streamline the Civil Service

Read dispatch

To continue what Llo started, I’ll give some background to the bill. The Civil Service Bill seeks to establish something that’s, as far as I’m aware, been talked about for the past two campaign seasons but has yet to be acted upon. The Civil Service.

For those who aren’t aware, the Civil Service is any position that citizens can volunteer to be a part of that help the region get things accomplished. For TLA, we have a de facto Civil Service in the form of ambassadors. Under the CS Bill, ambassadors would be considered Civil Servants for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Now, the opposition to this bill might say “Oh well, the cabinet can create a civil service internally whenever it wants. This just seems like it’s forcing them to do something that they can do at any time anyway.” Some other concerns may be that a ministry might have a perfectly valid reason for not offering civil servants or that the bill doesn’t go in depth as to the specifics of each ministry.

We can’t expect all cabinets to consciously seek out to create Civil Services, because of course, being human beings — different cabinets are going to simply have areas they overlook. For example, the current executive is concerned with starting an endotarting program. That’s a top priority. But another executive might elect to emphasize domestic affairs, such as regional events. Now obviously, both of these are areas that I’d say deserve equal attention. Currently, we’re left to hope that the executive spreads itself thin enough to touch on every point of interest. I believe the Civil Service could help with this in more ways than one.

The Executive’s purpose is just that. To execute. They are not independent actors. The function of the cabinet to act upon that which the GA has set in motion. This isn’t “forcing” ministers to do anything especially with respect to subsection 1d: The relevant ministry must provide a valid reason for refusal such as assistance not being necessary for that particular ministry as well as the clause in section 3: The executive branch may, at its discretion, develop and/or alter an application process to streamline the Civil Service. These two examples showcase leniency within the parameters of the bill.

If for example, Secretary and Minister of Information Arg says “You know what? I’d really like to have Assemblians help with Information but I’ve literally got it all covered. There’s absolutely nothing that they can help with.” Then, of course, granted that he provides said reason for refusal, he wouldn’t need to create completely unnecessary offices arbitrarily. I’m not looking to create some sort of bureaucracy in TLA. Obviously, there’s a level of discretion. We don’t need a “Royal Pencil Sharpener” as an example of unnecessary jobs lol.

Sure, if the bill is passed, then the MoFA’s Civil Service is already legislated so it might make sense to legislate others. But, allow me to posit this. If we are to write a bill for every office, I’d say that’s a fool’s errand. Because 1.) Different points of interest in each office might arise as we progress as a region. Are we to amend bills every time a new area someone can assist a particular ministry in arises? Again, my example of the “Royal pencil sharpener”. 2.) New offices can be created and are created. Two terms ago, the MoI didn’t exist. Last election season, a candidate spoke of creating a Ministry of Environmental Awareness (or something to that effect). We can’t be expected to create a law for each and every new ministry that might pop up with each administration. Potentially for the ones that are cemented into the constitution, yes. But it becomes redundant to say “Okay, team, let’s create a new bill for the specific season of the civil service of the Ministry of [blank].”

With all that being said, as Vice-Sec, I have discussed this privately with Secretary Argentigrad and he has shown support for the civil service being legislated in some fashion. Perhaps not in the form of this particular bill, but nonetheless, he too believes that if this is to become a regular program, it should be legislated so we have a clear procedure. Alternatively, if this bill is found to be undesirable with the public at the moment and cannot be remedied by revision, then the Secretary also suggested to me perhaps attempting a trial run in the cabinet first and then legislating it. However, I do believe that even with a trial run, we should have a baseline to operate from. So if this bill is passed, I suggest the following.

I propose, if the bill is passed, TLA should have a trial process with the legislation to see how effective it is and any areas that might need to be revisited. My reasoning for still pushing the bill even for a trial process is so that we have things locked in place of what Assemblians ought to do when interacting with the Civil Service. So that there is no confusion. The legislation would function as any other, but would operate on the trial basis unless we decide to continue it.

I hope this all made sense and wasn’t too long of a read. I’ve been up very early this morning. 😴 😂 Also, Llorens is a nerd. A cool Aussie nerd. But a nerd nonetheless. But that’s okay, nerds of the world unite! We have nothing to lose but our number 2 pencils!

Grod Island, Dawtania, and Aevonir

The Republic of Alexiandra

Speaking of Rojava, what does everyone make of the accusations of ethnic cleansing and discrimination against Assyrian populations that have been levelled at the Kurds?

The Workers' Republic of Libertasnia

Alexiandra wrote:Speaking of Rojava, what does everyone make of the accusations of ethnic cleansing and discrimination against Assyrian populations that have been levelled at the Kurds?

I have heard the "ethnic cleansing" charges are more of an ethnic dislocation from their traditional locations. That may very well be ethnic cleansing, I am unsure. The discrimination charges also have proof to them. But dislocation is almost always an effect of war, and I have no doubt things would be much worse with a Turkey-backed puppet there instead.

TL;DR we must look at these problems very seriously but for now, even with my ideological differences with the SDF and Ocalan, I support them critically.

Alexiandra and United vegan communes

The Republic of Alexiandra

Libertasnia wrote:I have heard the "ethnic cleansing" charges are more of an ethnic dislocation from their traditional locations. That may very well be ethnic cleansing, I am unsure. The discrimination charges also have proof to them. But dislocation is almost always an effect of war, and I have no doubt things would be much worse with a Turkey-backed puppet there instead.

TL;DR we must look at these problems very seriously but for now, even with my ideological differences with the SDF and Ocalan, I support them critically.

This is kind of my position too, although I admit I'm not too knowledgeable about the region. Rojava's past ties with the US have made me uncomfortable, but I suppose sacrifices had to be made in order to secure a nation for the Kurdish people. The ultimate foolishness of that strategy seems to have been realised now, however. The US has turned on Rojava, as we all knew it would, and Turkey will probably swallow up the whole region soon enough.

The Socialist Bastion of New Arkados

I'm convinced you can combine any political words, and you'll get an ideology that already exists. Just found out that there are real people who are unironically anarcho-statists.

Caracasus, Nottinhaps, Llorens, Libertasnia, and 6 othersHecknamistan, Kavagrad, Argentigrad, Greylyn, Fevhader, and The concordian federation

The Socialist People's Republics of Kavagrad

New Arkados wrote:I'm convinced you can combine any political words, and you'll get an ideology that already exists. Just found out that there are real people who are unironically anarcho-statists.

Anarcho-statism is one thing, but imagine calling yourself a green capitalist.

Caracasus, Nottinhaps, Llorens, Libertasnia, and 9 othersUan aa Boa, Hecknamistan, New Arkados, Grod Island, Argentigrad, United vegan communes, Nangka, The concordian federation, and Astrair

Caracasus

New Arkados wrote:I'm convinced you can combine any political words, and you'll get an ideology that already exists. Just found out that there are real people who are unironically anarcho-statists.

Pfft. I'm an anarchomonarchist cryptosyndicyst Jucherevisionist with anarchoprimative posadist tendancies.

(Sorry for making everyone's eyes and brains hurt with too much stupid.)

Nottinhaps, Llorens, Libertasnia, Uan aa Boa, and 7 othersHecknamistan, New Arkados, Kavagrad, Grod Island, Fevhader, The concordian federation, and Gethila

The Socialist Bastion of New Arkados

Kavagrad wrote:Anarcho-statism is one thing, but imagine calling yourself a green capitalist.

Green capitalists will see their childhood home destroyed by a category 10 hurricane and be like we tried

Caracasus, Nottinhaps, Libertasnia, Hecknamistan, and 7 othersKavagrad, Grod Island, Argentigrad, Fevhader, The concordian federation, Gaymer nation, and Gloucester City

Fevhader

Caracasus wrote:Pfft. I'm an anarchomonarchist cryptosyndicyst Jucherevisionist with anarchoprimative posadist tendancies.

(Sorry for making everyone's eyes and brains hurt with too much stupid.)

Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft
I'm a communist-capitalist-centrist.

Caracasus, Hecknamistan, New Arkados, The concordian federation, and 1 otherGaymer nation

The Socialist Barangays of Nangka

Alexiandra wrote:Speaking of Rojava, what does everyone make of the accusations of ethnic cleansing and discrimination against Assyrian populations that have been levelled at the Kurds?

Very plausible. The PYD in establishing Rojava had to contend with a lot of bad blood between Kurds, Arabs, and Assyrians. There is still definitely some discrimination going on, as these kinds of pre-Rojava racial attitudes are difficult to wipe out in the span of only a few years. However Rojava has made some progresa on the matter. The SDF has an all-Assyrian wing under it, the Syriac Military Council, which helps protect the rights of Assyrians/Syriacs in Rojava.

I partly joke, but one of the solutions put forward by Rojava to combat the patriarchy and racism is to give women and ethnic minorities firearms and the knowledge to use them - which, I mean, fair enough.

Alexiandra, Libertasnia, Kavagrad, and United vegan communes

The People's Republic of Cedoria

Llorens wrote:This is a terrible development. I can see the parallels with the struggles in West Papua at the moment against the government of Indonesia in some ways. It's disheartening to know this still goes on in the 21st century.

yep, I've been watching Indonesia closely for weeks. Hoping it goes well even though I suspect it won't.

Frankly the betrayal of the Kurds was expected, I wrote a policy paper on it two years ago. Once again the great protestations of 'spreading democracy' give way to abandoning our most consistent defenders in the region to a tidal wave of blood, at the hands of a NATO member this time.

The Kurdish leaders are probably well-aware that this was coming, It's not like it's the first time the US has thrown them to the wolves. Let's hope they're ready.

It would do my troubled psyche a great deal of good to see them give the Turkish army a thumping, but we'll see. In the meantime, this should be among the big internationalist focuses for the next while I think

Caracasus, Llorens, Libertasnia, United vegan communes, and 2 othersLitauengrad, and Gethila

Dawtania

Screw everyone who got to the 1000th page before me.

Caracasus

Fevhader wrote:Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft
I'm a communist-capitalist-centrist.

Huh. Why did you put fascist down twice?

Llorens, Hecknamistan, Kavagrad, Grod Island, and 4 othersArgentigrad, Fevhader, Gethila, and Gaymer nation

Astrair

Caracasus wrote:Pfft. I'm an anarchomonarchist cryptosyndicyst Jucherevisionist with anarchoprimative posadist tendancies.

(Sorry for making everyone's eyes and brains hurt with too much stupid.)

So a dadaist?

Caracasus and Gethila

Caracasus

Astrair wrote:So a dadaist?

Dunno. Does that allow me to be all smug and superior? That's mostly what I'm in it for.

The Republic of Alexiandra

I have recently been ‘cancelled’ by sections of my online peer group for continuing to listen to David Bowie and other artists accused of sexual crimes. I protested that my listening to their work in no way denotes a support for their personal qualities or actions. What are everyone’s opinions? Can we enjoy the music of morally reprehensible people without becoming morally reprehensible ourselves?

Gaymer nation and Aevonir

Aevonir

Really it's about drawing a line in the sand and unfortunately there's always going to be a fight there. For example, I enjoy movies and music made by people who have been accused/convicted of sexual assault, bribery, etc. To me, it's not me supporting them, it's me simply enjoying art.

However, I won't go to Chick-fil-A because they use their earnings to support groups that engage in gay conversation camps. To me, that's just food and no food will be good enough to allow me to support that type of behavior.

In a nutshell, it's how important is what they've produced to you and how awful is their crime in your eyes? Cant boycott everything lol

Alexiandra, Istyu, Grod Island, and Gethila

The Republic of Alexiandra

Aevonir wrote:Really it's about drawing a line in the sand and unfortunately there's always going to be a fight there. For example, I enjoy movies and music made by people who have been accused/convicted of sexual assault, bribery, etc. To me, it's not me supporting them, it's me simply enjoying art.

However, I won't go to Chick-fil-A because they use their earnings to support groups that engage in gay conversation camps. To me, that's just food and no food will be good enough to allow me to support that type of behavior.

In a nutshell, it's how important is what they've produced to you and how awful is their crime in your eyes? Cant boycott everything lol

Agreed. I found myself begrudgingly listening to the Gary Glitter track that recently formed the backdrop to the climactic scene in Joker, and rationalised my decision to listen to it by reasoning that, since Glitter will die in prison, he can’t take advantage of my royalties anyway. Ditto with Bowie, who is of course dead.

Moreover which acts are to be considered reprehensible enough to warrant a blanket ‘cancellation’? If we include other actions like murder, assault, bribery, coercion and so on, the majority of the music industry vanishes before our eyes. Alternatively, we could include only sex crimes - but why should we limit ourselves? If we’re approaching from a consequentialist standpoint, as most of the left does, acts like murder are at least equally reprehensible as sexual misconduct.

I think it should be possible to enjoy the artist’s work, so long as it doesn’t contain reprehensible messages, simultaneously as we condemn their misdeeds.

Aevonir

Astrair

My opinion is enjoy what you enjoy and be critical of the creators and the content, but that's no reason to not enjoy it for the artistic quality. I will watch Roman Polanski and Johnny Depp and listen to Bowie and Modest Mouse. I'm very much an SJW type but I don't want people to self flagellate for others' sins.

Edit: not that there's anything of "artistic quality" in Depp's films.

The Republic of Alexiandra

Astrair wrote:My opinion is enjoy what you enjoy and be critical of the creators and the content, but that's no reason to not enjoy it for the artistic quality. I will watch Roman Polanski and Johnny Depp and listen to Bowie and Modest Mouse. I'm very much an SJW type but I don't want people to self flagellate for others' sins.

Edit: not that there's anything of "artistic quality" in Depp's films.

This is my position, but I’m told I’m sending a ‘bad message’ to survivors of sexual abuse and assault. I find that somewhat difficult to accept, given how tireless I’ve been in advocating for gender equality and so on. Indeed I’m always telling unfortunate partygoers the sordid tales behind Bowie and other favourite artists. I’ll happily condemn the artists themselves and their crimes, but I’m not sure why I must condemn their music with the same breath.

Aevonir and Gloucester City

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