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Mel-akkam wrote:

Here’s a question I’ve been pondering: should the left cooperate with non-socialists (liberals, Christian democrats, etc) if it’s necessary to contain the far-right? Or will that only weaken socialists and boost the far-right? I’m thinking about this especially in the context of European politics, where coalitions between the left and centre/centre-right are the only alternative to bringing groups like Chega and the AfD into power.

I think the premise of this question may partly rely on whether such far-right movements would genuinely entertain the electoral process, preferring to seize power through alternate methods and scenarios.

Borf Brigades wrote:

I think the premise of this question may partly rely on whether such far-right movements would genuinely entertain the electoral process, preferring to seize power through alternate methods and scenarios.

good opinion.

Mel-akkam wrote:

Here’s a question I’ve been pondering: should the left cooperate with non-socialists (liberals, Christian democrats, etc) if it’s necessary to contain the far-right? Or will that only weaken socialists and boost the far-right? I’m thinking about this especially in the context of European politics, where coalitions between the left and centre/centre-right are the only alternative to bringing groups like Chega and the AfD into power.

In the end centers and other capitalist bourgeoisie will always side with the fat right over us so I think we shouldn't cooperate with either. Just look at how they cooperated in Germany and many other countries against the left... The parasite will always seek to preserve itself no matter what it needs to do.

It's good to see some serious discussion in the region again!

Often socialists discussing this topic get wrapped up in hypotheticals or litigating similar scenarios in history; what is ignored is a concrete analysis of the concrete conditions now, that large swathes of "centrists" are already collaborators with far-right/fascist groups domestically and internationally. Germany for example is the primary European arms dealer to the Zionist regime, which counts self-described fascists in leadership positions in its government:

https://caat.org.uk/data/countries/israel/israels-arms-suppliers/

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-01-16/ty-article/.premium/israels-far-right-finance-minister-im-a-fascist-homophobe-but-i-wont-stone-gays/00000185-b921-de59-a98f-ff7f47c70000

(the above link without a paywall: https://archive.is/ySthS)

Even without leaving Europe we can see this blurred boundary between the center and far-right among other examples with Italy's prime minister Giorgia Meloni, who emerged from a straight up Mussolini worshiping fascist organization, or the Finns Party, with their deep connections to neo-Nazi groups, that are part of the ruling coalition in Finland. In this regard the "center" is willing and able to accommodate the far-right; the presentation of these "centrists" as the last defense against the far-right is a false dilemma.

Putting aside a discussion of broader coalitions in the abstract, what this framing does in leftist discourse now is take a moment of weakness for "centrists" and flip the dynamic on its head, leaving leftists to act dependent on this same decadent political elite and the regimes they represent rather than use this as a chance to even try to extract concessions. With how strong this submissive logic that implies the best we can do is shine the shoes of liberals while they materially aid genocides is in parts of the Western left it's easy to understand why they are so disconnected from actual working class people in the West currently radicalizing as their living standards under the rule of "centrists" significantly decline. Their cowardice to break with "centrists" ironically cedes these same workers who should be our base to the far-right because they're willing to take a chance with groups they perceive as actual opposition to regimes currently impoverishing them.

Mel-akkam wrote:

Here’s a question I’ve been pondering: should the left cooperate with non-socialists (liberals, Christian democrats, etc) if it’s necessary to contain the far-right? Or will that only weaken socialists and boost the far-right? I’m thinking about this especially in the context of European politics, where coalitions between the left and centre/centre-right are the only alternative to bringing groups like Chega and the AfD into power.

In my opinion, the only time the left should support centrists is in a runoff election to stop the far right from gaining power, or to form a center-left, center-right coalition government to stop the far right as you referenced. There are two primary strategies for forming coalitions to combat fascism. The first is the united front approach, which seeks to unite revolutionary and reformist workers parties. The second is the popular front approach, which goes beyond that and seeks unity with bourgeois nationalists who are opposed to fascism. The latter approach did gain power in Spain before the Spanish Civil War, but it was marred by division and infighting. I think that the united front approach is better because it can be more easily unified.

Anasychkinark wrote:

also i'm active most of the time and when I post my roleplay stuff fee free to interact with it, trust me it'll be fun:) (god that sounded weird lol)

You don't mind If I Rp back?

Uhremberg wrote:

You don't mind If I Rp back?

go right ahead comrade:) i'm always open as it can make it much more interesting:)

Does anyone's nation require a provider of arms? One of my nations major industries is arms manufacturing and is a USSR stereotype style country.

Co oz wrote:

Does anyone's nation require a provider of arms? One of my nations major industries is arms manufacturing and is a USSR stereotype style country.

I'm sure we can make a deal, my nation can provide arms for your nation if you do the same with ours, and maybe you can get some favor from us when you need it, no? we can make something work, I am very sure of that, if you need anything off the books we can "hypothetically" help you with that.

Anasychkinark's Arms Productions and Confirmed WMD Stockpiles

In the heart of Anasychkinark's secretive military-industrial complex lies a web of arms productions facilities, shrouded in mystery and cloaked in secrecy. These highly guarded installations, hidden deep within the nation's rugged terrain, churn out a vast array of weapons and munitions, meticulously crafted by skilled artisans and technicians. From small arms to heavy artillery, each weapon bears the hallmark of Anasychkinark's renowned craftsmanship and precision.

But it is not only conventional arms that flow from Anasychkinark's clandestine factories. Recent revelations have shed light on the existence of confirmed WMD stockpiles, harbored within heavily fortified bunkers and silos scattered across the nation's vast expanse. These stockpiles, rumored for years but now confirmed by intelligence sources, include chemical, biological, and possibly even nuclear weapons, adding a chilling dimension to Anasychkinark's military capabilities.

The revelation of these WMD stockpiles has sent shockwaves through the international community, raising concerns about the potential consequences of their existence in the hands of Anasychkinark's secretive regime. Calls for transparency and disarmament have grown louder, as world leaders grapple with the sobering reality of a nation armed with weapons of mass destruction.

As Anasychkinark continues to assert its military prowess on the global stage, the existence of these WMD stockpiles serves as a stark reminder of the dangers posed by unchecked proliferation and the urgent need for international cooperation to address this pressing threat.

Anasychkinark wrote:

I'm sure we can make a deal, my nation can provide arms for your nation if you do the same with ours, and maybe you can get some favor from us when you need it, no? we can make something work, I am very sure of that, if you need anything off the books we can "hypothetically" help you with that.

The nation I mean is Arungrad. They make arms and also have tech support xD

Co oz wrote:

The nation I mean is Arungrad. They make arms and also have tech support xD

I"m sure we can strike some form of deal, on a side note, are you interested in procuring any WMDS? we can do something *cough cough* under the table for that one

Co oz wrote:

Well Co oz has its own nuclear power and could make WMDs if it wasn't using thorium reactors instead of uranium ones so perhaps we could discuss things in the interest of mutual aid.

yes yes, that sounds very good, we have lots of uranium deposits and have been figuring ways to recyle it to be able to reuse it entirely too

Anasychkinark wrote:

Anasychkinark's Arms Productions and Confirmed WMD Stockpiles

In the heart of Anasychkinark's secretive military-industrial complex lies a web of arms productions facilities, shrouded in mystery and cloaked in secrecy. These highly guarded installations, hidden deep within the nation's rugged terrain, churn out a vast array of weapons and munitions, meticulously crafted by skilled artisans and technicians. From small arms to heavy artillery, each weapon bears the hallmark of Anasychkinark's renowned craftsmanship and precision.

But it is not only conventional arms that flow from Anasychkinark's clandestine factories. Recent revelations have shed light on the existence of confirmed WMD stockpiles, harbored within heavily fortified bunkers and silos scattered across the nation's vast expanse. These stockpiles, rumored for years but now confirmed by intelligence sources, include chemical, biological, and possibly even nuclear weapons, adding a chilling dimension to Anasychkinark's military capabilities.

The revelation of these WMD stockpiles has sent shockwaves through the international community, raising concerns about the potential consequences of their existence in the hands of Anasychkinark's secretive regime. Calls for transparency and disarmament have grown louder, as world leaders grapple with the sobering reality of a nation armed with weapons of mass destruction.

As Anasychkinark continues to assert its military prowess on the global stage, the existence of these WMD stockpiles serves as a stark reminder of the dangers posed by unchecked proliferation and the urgent need for international cooperation to address this pressing threat.

The Great Republic of Uhremberg on the international stage and Anasychkinark
The position of Uhremberg over Anasychkinark is quite complicated; while handing support, overall on the international stage using the right to veto the resolution of the International Security Council for an intervention over Anasychkinark, to protect democratic elements from goverment represion and sending diplomatic envoys to mediate between the international comunity and Anasychkinark`s goverment.
However the position of Uhremberg is much more deep and complex, although feeling sympathy for Anasychkinark, remembering the traumatic revolution that ousted the corrupted monarchy from power over Uhremberg, the young republic found itself internationaly isolated. Surrounded by allies of the ousted royal house Uhremberg and It`s great council were quick to ally with The Internationale, although being seen with suspicion. Since the revolutionary left-wing coalition found an entrenched Monarchical power on the civil war, so the coalition saw Itself forced to ally with republican, liberal and democratic elements from all over the Nation in order to defend the revolution.
This meant that once the revolution saw success and Uhremberg joined The Internationale something terrified the people of Uhremberg, the prospect of being seen with suspicion and maybe even being kicked of the alliance which would mean a dangerous isolation. So that`s the cause of the support from the republic to Anasychkinark, an attempt to gain trust from the broad alliance in order to keep safe It`s own revolution, or at least It was.
Once the news about WMDs being produced in Anasychkinark arrived to Uhremberg the entire public felt offended being signatories of a treaty against WMDs seeing the courrent council supporting a nation that produced those same weapons meaning protests, nation wide protest that meant a whole crisis over the nation that meant the resigning of the current council on office, with new elections being called. And although having a slow reaction, the newly elected council sent a new diplomatic envoy that this time would send demands for Anasychkinark`s goverment; They shall completely curtail and stop their production of WMDs and grant accountability of the already produced ones to the international community or the delegate of Uhremberg on the International Security Council would lift Uhremberg`s veto on the resolution of the Council, risking an international intervention over Anasychkinark.

And btw I hope It doesn`t bother you if I assume there is a UN-like security council here, It`s for the sake of the rp.

Uhremberg wrote:

And btw I hope It doesn`t bother you if I assume there is a UN-like security council here, It`s for the sake of the rp.

oh no it doesn't, anasychkinark is canotically atonomous though so they have their own group of allies (almost like the ussr) and they often couldn't care less about other various vetos and as they seem to be able to get around them (usually by bribery or threats)

Uhremberg wrote:

The Great Republic of Uhremberg on the international stage and Anasychkinark
The position of Uhremberg over Anasychkinark is quite complicated; while handing support, overall on the international stage using the right to veto the resolution of the International Security Council for an intervention over Anasychkinark, to protect democratic elements from goverment represion and sending diplomatic envoys to mediate between the international comunity and Anasychkinark`s goverment.
However the position of Uhremberg is much more deep and complex, although feeling sympathy for Anasychkinark, remembering the traumatic revolution that ousted the corrupted monarchy from power over Uhremberg, the young republic found itself internationaly isolated. Surrounded by allies of the ousted royal house Uhremberg and It`s great council were quick to ally with The Internationale, although being seen with suspicion. Since the revolutionary left-wing coalition found an entrenched Monarchical power on the civil war, so the coalition saw Itself forced to ally with republican, liberal and democratic elements from all over the Nation in order to defend the revolution.
This meant that once the revolution saw success and Uhremberg joined The Internationale something terrified the people of Uhremberg, the prospect of being seen with suspicion and maybe even being kicked of the alliance which would mean a dangerous isolation. So that`s the cause of the support from the republic to Anasychkinark, an attempt to gain trust from the broad alliance in order to keep safe It`s own revolution, or at least It was.
Once the news about WMDs being produced in Anasychkinark arrived to Uhremberg the entire public felt offended being signatories of a treaty against WMDs seeing the courrent council supporting a nation that produced those same weapons meaning protests, nation wide protest that meant a whole crisis over the nation that meant the resigning of the current council on office, with new elections being called. And although having a slow reaction, the newly elected council sent a new diplomatic envoy that this time would send demands for Anasychkinark`s goverment; They shall completely curtail and stop their production of WMDs and grant accountability of the already produced ones to the international community or the delegate of Uhremberg on the International Security Council would lift Uhremberg`s veto on the resolution of the Council, risking an international intervention over Anasychkinark.

Response from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Anasychkinark

The Great Republic of Uhremberg's concerns regarding the production of weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) in Anasychkinark are duly noted and appreciated. Anasychkinark values its diplomatic relations with Uhremberg and understands the gravity of the situation.

Anasychkinark remains committed to maintaining peace and stability in the region and beyond. While we cannot confirm nor deny the existence of WMD stockpiles, we assure Uhremberg and the international community that our military capabilities are solely for defensive purposes.

We welcome the opportunity for dialogue and transparency regarding this matter. Our government is open to discussing measures to address the concerns raised by Uhremberg, including potential inspections by impartial international bodies to verify the status of our WMD program.

We believe that constructive engagement and diplomatic negotiations are the most effective means of resolving disputes and building mutual trust between nations. We hope that Uhremberg will continue to engage with us in a spirit of cooperation and mutual respect, and we remain committed to finding a peaceful resolution to this issue.

Signed,
Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Anasychkinark

Anasychkinark's Arms Exports: Fuelling Conflicts Around the Globe

Anasychkinark, the enigmatic military powerhouse in the heart of Eastern Europe, has long been shrouded in secrecy regarding its arms exports. Recent revelations, however, shed light on the extent of its involvement in supplying weapons and munitions to various proxy groups and guerrilla factions across the globe.

The production of arms and munitions in Anasychkinark is a closely guarded state secret, with numerous clandestine weapons and munitions plants scattered throughout the nation. These facilities operate under tight security protocols, ensuring that information about their operations remains confidential.

Recent reports suggest that Anasychkinark's arms exports are not limited to conventional weaponry but also include support for proxy groups and guerrilla forces that align with its ideological interests. Rumors abound of Anasychkinarkian special forces providing training and assistance to these groups, further complicating the geopolitical landscape in regions of conflict.

The exact scope and scale of Anasychkinark's arms exports remain elusive, with the government neither confirming nor denying its involvement in supplying weapons to proxy groups. However, the impact of these exports is felt across numerous conflict zones, where proxy groups armed with Anasychkinarkian weaponry perpetuate violence and instability.

The proliferation of Anasychkinarkian arms raises concerns among the international community about the role of state-sponsored actors in perpetuating conflicts and fueling violence. Calls for greater transparency and accountability in arms exports have intensified, with many urging Anasychkinark to disclose information about its arms trade activities and adhere to international norms and regulations.

As the global community grapples with the implications of Anasychkinark's arms exports, efforts to address the root causes of conflicts and promote peaceful resolution remain paramount. It is imperative that all nations work together to prevent the further proliferation of weapons and promote stability in regions ravaged by violence and strife.

In the meantime, the shadowy world of Anasychkinark's arms exports continues to cast a long and ominous shadow over the global stage, leaving many to wonder about the true extent of its involvement in perpetuating conflict and instability worldwide.

Conflict Escalates Along Anasychkinark's Northern DMZ

In recent months, tensions have escalated along the northern demilitarized zone (DMZ) of Anasychkinark, leading to a resurgence of armed conflict reminiscent of the tumultuous Chechen wars. The rugged and remote terrain of the northern border region has become the backdrop for intense firefights and shelling between Anasychkinarkian forces and insurgent groups, plunging the area into chaos and bloodshed.

The conflict, which has its roots in decades-old grievances and ethnic tensions, has reignited with renewed ferocity, drawing parallels to the protracted conflicts that plagued the region in the past. Insurgent groups, emboldened by support from external sources and fueled by a desire for independence or autonomy, have launched a series of attacks against Anasychkinarkian military installations and patrols, seeking to challenge the authority of the central government.

The mountainous terrain and dense forests of the northern DMZ provide ample cover for guerrilla warfare tactics, allowing insurgent groups to launch ambushes and hit-and-run attacks with impunity. Anasychkinarkian forces, well-trained and equipped with modern weaponry, have responded with airstrikes, artillery barrages, and ground offensives in an attempt to root out insurgent strongholds and regain control of the volatile border region.

The conflict has taken a heavy toll on both military personnel and civilians, with reports of casualties mounting on both sides. Civilians living in the border towns and villages have been caught in the crossfire, facing displacement, injuries, and loss of life as a result of the ongoing violence. Humanitarian organizations have struggled to provide aid and assistance to those affected by the conflict, hampered by the precarious security situation and limited access to the region.

As the conflict continues to escalate, there are growing concerns about the potential for further destabilization and humanitarian crisis in the region. The international community has called for an immediate cessation of hostilities and a return to dialogue to address the underlying grievances fueling the conflict. However, achieving a lasting peace in the northern DMZ of Anasychkinark remains a daunting challenge, with deep-seated animosities and complex geopolitical dynamics at play.

Vetelo wrote:

dead region xd

Alright then, a new thing to discuss: What do you guys think about "class dealignment" (https://jacobin.com/2024/04/class-dealignment-democrats-trump-biden) on the left? Is the fact that western leftists are losing support among the traditional white proletariat, and instead turning towards a more bourgeois support base, a major, existential threat that must be remedied by de-emphasising culture wars and identity politics, in favour of a focus on old left-style economics and labour advocacy? Or is a majority of the white working class inherently right-wing, counter-revolutionary, and racist/sexist/homophobic/other sort of undesirable attitude, meaning the left should reject them entirely and focus on identity politics stuff that's more appealing to the educated, mostly non-white middle (or even upper) classes?

great I just put my entire working and military population on meth (what a wonderful nation I have lol)