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The Christian Socialist Republic of Culture of Life

The Gallant Old Republic wrote:If I had lived in revolutionary times I am certain I would have been a loyalist.

I'm certain I would have felt no loyalty toward a Dutch monarchy that had been illegitimate for nearly a century.

Cursed religiousnes

Fleyland

Hello, im the Democratic Empire of Fleyland, nice to meet you.

The Federation of Roborian

Culture of Life wrote:I'm certain I would have felt no loyalty toward a Dutch monarchy that had been illegitimate for nearly a century.

A very Catholic answer!

The Ancient Tellurian Union of The Gallant Old Republic

Well I put up the poll as suggested, hopefully Horatius Cocles doesn't mind I ended the old one a bit early, but I figured we spent the conversation on that one a while ago.

The VRCC Bishopric of CrimsonScribbles

God,
source of all freedom,
this day is bright with the memory of those that declared
that life and liberty are your gift to every human being.
Help us to continue a good work begun long ago.
Make our vision clear and our will strong;
that only in human solidarity will we find liberty,
and justice only in the honor that belongs to every life on earth.
Turn our hearts towards the family of nations:
to understand the ways of others,
to offer friendship,
and to find safety in the common good for all.
We ask this through Christ our Lord,
Amen

The Dixieland Delight Empire of The Rouge Christmas State

From what I can tell the state of PA had loyalist tendencies and considering that's where my ancestors were living I have put loyalists.

The Southern Baptist Empire of The RCS

I'll be using this nation here for a bit.

The United Socialist Republic of The Catholic State of Eire

Anyone who would identify themself as a Loyalist is ultra-cringe!

The Ancient Tellurian Union of The Gallant Old Republic

The RCS wrote:I'll be using this nation here for a bit.

You'll have to re-vote then, as your old vote was removed when you pulled the other RCS.

The Holy Empire of Imperii Ecclesia

Culture of Life wrote:I'm certain I would have felt no loyalty toward a Dutch monarchy that had been illegitimate for nearly a century.

Exactly. This exactly describes my position, despite my misgivings of the ideology of the founders.

The The Folkriches of Steel Belt Empire

The Catholic State of Eire wrote:Anyone who would identify themself as a Loyalist is ultra-cringe!

Then I’m good, I put Aloof

The The Folkriches of Steel Belt Empire

The Friendly Republic of New Dolgaria

I'd probably say I would be a patriot, but one of my major problems with the patriots was the status of slavery. In Britain at the time, slavery was in the process of dying out, while in America it was thriving. Many African Americans (and Native Americans) fought for/in alliance with the British because they would be treated worse by a newly-independent America. Of course, if I was actually a 1770s colonist, odds are I would have been just as prejudiced as the vast majority of white Americans at the time, so that probably wouldn't have been a problem for me.

The Federation of Roborian

New Dolgaria wrote:I'd probably say I would be a patriot, but one of my major problems with the patriots was the status of slavery. In Britain at the time, slavery was in the process of dying out, while in America it was thriving. Many African Americans (and Native Americans) fought for/in alliance with the British because they would be treated worse by a newly-independent America. Of course, if I was actually a 1770s colonist, odds are I would have been just as prejudiced as the vast majority of white Americans at the time, so that probably wouldn't have been a problem for me.

I tend to disagree in regards to the timing. At the time, I do not see too much daylight between 'British' and 'Colonial' ideas on slavery, in part because they were still functionally one and the same, Colonial slavery ran on the approval of the British government. The British military treated slaves better during the Revolution on practical grounds to gain advantage, but coming out of the war it was the United States that first took more aggressive action against the slave trade pre-England, even with Wilberforce's frankly heroic efforts there.

At that point, you see the big cultural shift around slavery from something that is hoped to become unneeded, to a necessary evil, to a positive good (in a way that eerily mirrors the abortion movement), and I think a fair part of that was driven by economics. The South in the United States remained and grew increasingly pro-slavery because they profited from it, while England, no longer benefitting economically from slavery on the American mainland, was more free to create movements against it. It is worth noting that even when they did come around to abolishing slavery, they opted-out slavery in India for quite some time due to that same profit incentive.

I think a case can be made that at the time of the Revolution that Britain may have been marginally more anti-slavery than the colonies (though one could counter-argue that the North was more abolitionist than them), but I do not think there is any night-and-day difference, and if they had won the war, I fully expect that slavery would have continued under their rule in the Americans for near as long or perhaps even longer than in an independent United States.

Saptasindhavah

I would probably be a patriot. I'm fairly conservative and tend to like monarchy, but I'm also not convinced the British would have ever adequately addressed the problems leading to the revolution. I also tend to appreciate local autonomy and decentralization.

I may also be biased because my grandfather was involved in the political struggle against British rule over his country, and he is someone I really admired.

I can be more critical as an adult but it definitely influenced my worldview.

New Kiwis and Rourgornne

The Federation of Roborian

In response to a shooting in a town with an 'assault weapons' ban, in a state with universal background checks, universal gun owner licensing-including for muskets, strictest in the nation, red flag laws, open carry bans, 'ghost gun' bans, ammunition licensing, and waiting periods, against people disarmed by such restrictions, a Governor surrounded by heavily armed men will crow about 'muskets' and impose further restrictions on the victims, which killers will continue to ignore.

I am so sick of it, on a personal level and frankly just on a moral level, the preening of the best-protected people in the country on how they need to make you more vulnerable and unable to protect yourself for your own safety. I have got to get out of this state.

The Theocratic Republic of Os Adoradores de Deus

Roborian wrote:In response to a shooting in a town with an 'assault weapons' ban, in a state with universal background checks, universal gun owner licensing-including for muskets, strictest in the nation, red flag laws, open carry bans, 'ghost gun' bans, ammunition licensing, and waiting periods, against people disarmed by such restrictions, a Governor surrounded by heavily armed men will crow about 'muskets' and impose further restrictions on the victims, which killers will continue to ignore.

I am so sick of it, on a personal level and frankly just on a moral level, the preening of the best-protected people in the country on how they need to make you more vulnerable and unable to protect yourself for your own safety. I have got to get out of this state.

What they’re doing is unconstitutional

Imperii Ecclesia, New Kiwis, and Rourgornne

The Federation of Roborian

Os Adoradores de Deus wrote:What they’re doing is unconstitutional

It has been for a long time, but the same people claiming that the Second Amendment protects only muskets because it was written in 1789 will insist that that same Constitution enshrines 2022-era notions of LGBT 'rights'. They have barely any interest in even pretending to have any principle.

I really do think that it needs to be hammered home that even with the utterly insane idea that the Second Amendment only protects muskets, Illinois infringes on muskets. It is a crime in the state for a person to even own a musket, even just kept in their home, without a government gun license, and it is illegal for a person, even if they have acquired such a license, to carry that musket anywhere outside of their home. They cannot even pass Constitutional muster for two hundred fifty year-old weapons, there is not a shred of honesty in a thing that they say.

The Theocratic Republic of Os Adoradores de Deus

Roborian wrote:It has been for a long time, but the same people claiming that the Second Amendment protects only muskets because it was written in 1789 will insist that that same Constitution enshrines 2022-era notions of LGBT 'rights'. They have barely any interest in even pretending to have any principle.

I really do think that it needs to be hammered home that even with the utterly insane idea that the Second Amendment only protects muskets, Illinois infringes on muskets. It is a crime in the state for a person to even own a musket, even just kept in their home, without a government gun license, and it is illegal for a person, even if they have acquired such a license, to carry that musket anywhere outside of their home. They cannot even pass Constitutional muster for two hundred fifty year-old weapons, there is not a shred of honesty in a thing that they say.

I have a church friend who owns an old flintlock musket. He’s even shot it before

Imperii Ecclesia, New Kiwis, Steel Belt Empire, Saptasindhavah, and 1 otherRourgornne

Stapler

The The Folkriches of Steel Belt Empire

Stapler wrote:Hello

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The Social Democracy of Horatius Cocles

Hi friends:

A little update: My mother and I caught Covid earlier this week. If you could pray for us both, I’d greatly appreciate it. My mother is worse than I am. One side of my family got Covid a few weeks ago and they have mostly recovered, which gives me hope.

Side note: I am listening to scriptural podcasts while sick so if there are any iPhone users that have recommendations, please send them on.

Thank you.

The Ancient Tellurian Union of The Gallant Old Republic

I find most recipients of the Presidential Medal of Freedom wanting.

"an especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the United States, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavors."

The Ancient Tellurian Union of The Gallant Old Republic

Horatius Cocles wrote:Side note: I am listening to scriptural podcasts while sick so if there are any iPhone users that have recommendations, please send them on.

I don't really listen to podcasts regularly, what exactly counts as a scriptural podcast? The closest I can think of are the New Polity ones I occasionally watch.

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