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The Bureaudirectic Union of Jutsa

Middle Barael wrote:Your truth is that it is “3 Lies 1 Truth time” and we did go~

I can't even remember the stinking name. *facepalms*

Updated; 2 truths 1 lie xd

Atsvea, Lord Dominator, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, and 1 otherGarbelia

The Bureaudirectic Union of Jutsa

Effazio wrote:Alright, this seems fun so I'll contribute my 2 truths and a lie:

1. I can be found on Google Street View, not once but twice.
2. In my youth I won the New Jersey state geography bee.
3. I moved to a new country that I had never been to with just a suitcase.

I don't know enough about Google Street View but I'm going to guess #2.

Edit: I'm so sorry, I am the worst double-poster.

The most serene republicans

Jutsa wrote:I don't know enough about Google Street View but I'm going to guess #2.

Edit: I'm so sorry, I am the worst double-poster.

Too late, we're executing you

The Rustling Leaves of New Kvenland

Kepler-0085 wrote:2 is a lie (cuz u eat europe bears only)

Simbolon wrote:I really want 1 to not be a lie. I don't know much about zoo, but 3 seems plausible. I'm going with 2..

Middle Barael wrote:3 seems incredibly unlikely
I don’t think you’ve pet an echidna. Being in line for the Swedish throne could make sense, considering that your nation seems Swedish and also so many people are distant descendants of old monarchs. Petting an echidna sounds like something you made up on the spot, plus they only natively live in Australia and I doubt a zoo would let you pet their animals.

Jutsa wrote:I'm... not sure. I want to say 3 but something someone else said made me suspect maybe 2. I'm going with 3 though cause that seems more fair.

The most serene republicans wrote:I don't believe 2 for a second. 1 sounds real and 3 sounds unlikely, but not outrageous.

You're all wrong! Ahahaha! 1 was the lie all along! I'm Swedish-American, but descended from like, fishers from Gothenburg, I think. No royal blood, and thank God for that, how embarrassing

Had grizzly bear meat while visiting Alaska and pet an echinda at the San Diego Zoo (they were showing it off and I was in the right place at the right time). Bear meat is pretty bad, by the way, maybe 4/10 from me, gamey and tasteless

Middle Barael wrote:Anyways, this is my first real conlang. I’ve tried making them in the past, but I always ended up abandoning them. This conlang that I’m making now uses a Featural script, Triconsonantal Roots, derivational morphology, noun-adjective matching, both formal and informal grammar, and it has gender for verbs and pronouns but not for nouns.

An example sentence would be:
Mə shongəɾəsh omwəq nən pəwənəwə hə wənəwə, ə mə showənəw omwəq brəbr ləɡhəpə
/mʌ ʃoŋʌʁəsh omʍəq nʌn pʌʍənʌʍə hə ʍənʌʍə ʌ mʌ ʃoʍʌnəʍ omʍəq ʙʌʙ ləɣʌpə/
The dyer-man will get 7 bottles of wine, and the winemaker-man will get 5 clothes.

I really like this! Gonna guess Somali was an inspiration? The gender and formality rules sound fun, and the phonology is really unique to my ear. If you ever write down a grammar I'd love to read it

The Bureaudirectic Union of Jutsa

Middle Barael wrote:Mə shongəɾəsh omwəq nən pəwənəwə hə wənəwə, ə mə showənəw omwəq brəbr ləɡhəpə
/mʌ ʃoŋʌʁəsh omʍəq nʌn pʌʍənʌʍə hə ʍənʌʍə ʌ mʌ ʃoʍʌnəʍ omʍəq ʙʌʙ ləɣʌpə/
The dyer-man will get 7 bottles of wine, and the winemaker-man will get 5 clothes.

Woah - really late seeing this but uh, you got any bits of this conlang up online anywhere? (and if so could I have a link? :D)

The Most Serene Eco-Republic of Middle Barael

Jutsa wrote:Woah - really late seeing this but uh, you got any bits of this conlang up online anywhere? (and if so could I have a link? :D)

Not yet. I'm still only in the initial stages and its my first conlang, but hopefully when I have it more developed I'll write a factbook on it for NS (it's going to be the language of the ancient Native Baraelan civilizations whose ruins are now beginning to be excavated).

I did though write a short poem in the language today:
Nə lənəkh wə nəməkəmə hə tərəkhə (A light in seas of darkness)
Nəshənərə shinər wə tərəkhəni'i (Stars shine in their night)
Lənəkhən ghyrəl ə shəfələrə ə fəfələrə shihəɾ (Day arrives and [the] people and [the] animals laugh)
Mə nəshənərə lə. (The stars [do] not)
Lənəkhən mykərr mə nəshənərə qə filər wə mə tərəkhən. (Day kills the stars that live in the night)

This poem is kind of emblematic of the kind of philosophical, somewhat-dark poetry of this language/culture. The idea that everything that aids one group also harms another, and the yin-yang sort of dualism that follows, is very important to their philosophy. They essentially believed that since all active actions were near zero-sum, therefore we must focus on simply following the Wənəməl (lit. "the way of flowing", very similar to the Dao) and living life as it passes, rather than focusing on action and justice. Sort of a blend of Daoism and Epicureanism, except a bit more existentialist and anti-action.

New Kvenland wrote:

I really like this! Gonna guess Somali was an inspiration? The gender and formality rules sound fun, and the phonology is really unique to my ear. If you ever write down a grammar I'd love to read it

Thanks! I actually was influenced mainly by Hebrew (aside from English), especially with the triconsonantal roots. I also got the idea for 3 genders (male, female, and neuter/nonbinary) from Latin, and the philosophy of this Native Baraelan culture was influenced by Daoism. Finally, some of the sounds I chose for my language, such as the heavy-handed use of /ʃ/ and /χ/, were influenced by Arabic and other Middle Eastern languages.

Atsvea, Lord Dominator, Myordas, Nation of ecologists, and 1 otherGarbelia

The Federated Bailiwicks of Verdant Haven

I suppose I'll join the "Two Truths and a Lie" we've got going on, so here are three statements revolving around the numbers three, two, and one!

1) I have personally handled a 1933 Saint-Gaudens double eagle - one of the world's rarest and most valuable coins - of which only 3 legally exist: 2 in the Smithsonian and 1 in private hands.
2) I have hiked or climbed on 3 of the "seven summits," 2 around the base, and 1 that I summited: Denali, Mont Blanc, and Kosciusko.
3) I have attended master classes by 3 award-winning luminaries of theater and film, 2 actors and 1 director: Ben Kingsley, Danny Glover, and John Barton.

Myordas

Middle Barael wrote:Not yet. I'm still only in the initial stages and its my first conlang, but hopefully when I have it more developed I'll write a factbook on it for NS (it's going to be the language of the ancient Native Baraelan civilizations whose ruins are now beginning to be excavated).

I did though write a short poem in the language today:
Nə lənəkh wə nəməkəmə hə tərəkhə (A light in seas of darkness)
Nəshənərə shinər wə tərəkhəni'i (Stars shine in their night)
Lənəkhən ghyrəl ə shəfələrə ə fəfələrə shihəɾ (Day arrives and [the] people and [the] animals laugh)
Mə nəshənərə lə. (The stars [do] not)
Lənəkhən mykərr mə nəshənərə qə filər wə mə tərəkhən. (Day kills the stars that live in the night)

That language looks like Azeri language.

My language look like this:
Besanaika norena cavana ki axenana. (I will look for my clothes)
Neira! (Hello!, pronounced nye-ra with the r thrilling.)
Besanaika ki fainasy (I will fish)

[note that the "c" is pronouced as "ts" and "x" is pronounced as "kh". The language is based on Malagasy with some leter sounds based in Armenian, accent sounds like Filipino. (cause you know, Armenian refugees in Myordas), old Myordan has o with slash but it was removed at 2020. It was supposed to be the letter "u".]

The Taiga Folk of Northern Wood

The most serene republicans wrote:I also recommend downloading actual SVGs online, because there are soooo many of them available for free and since they were already made as vectors, you can basically separate the parts you need and use them without the slight distortion that convert to bitmap has. My two main sources are Wikimedia Commons (to which I've started giving back a bit recently) and OpenClipart.

...

Wikimedia Commons actually has a whole section of svg heraldry elements I use for flags and emblems all the time.

Thanks for the recommendation of SVGs. I've never really known the difference of various file types. May I ask how exactly you go about "separating the parts" of the SVG image?

Wikimedia Commons is an actual treasure. I greatly appreciate everyone who contributes.

Mount Seymour wrote:This is actually... a nice flag. Perhaps for Forest's alter ego in another universe? ^_^

Forest brought to you by McDonalds

Mount Seymour wrote:You've followed a very similar trajectory with digital design to me. I really first started learning about graphics software in order to make flags and things for NS. Slowly, over the course of several years, I've developed it into a hobby that extends well beyond the game. I still have to do a lot of tinkering to get many things to work, and I still don't really think I can actually draw anything -- I just composite various pre-existing elements together with some basic shapes and text. :P

Good to know of others still making it up as they go :P And I can easily understand how it could extend into a hobby outside of the game -- it's just so much fun and so rewarding to create images. Gives something of a glimpse at what it's like for folks with drawing talent.

Kepler-0085

Jutsa wrote:Great Scott! I should've guessed; that one was almost begging to be wrong. xD

only several parts, not a single one whole

The most serene republicans

Northern Wood wrote:Thanks for the recommendation of SVGs. I've never really known the difference of various file types. May I ask how exactly you go about "separating the parts" of the SVG image?

To reuse the example of the emblem of China: When I downloaded and opened the .svg file of the emblem on inkscape, it was made of several different parts (Like, there was a red background circle, and in front of it there were the 4 stars and below it the gear and red flag and etc) on top of each other to make the final image. I just individually deleted the parts I didn't need (the stars, gear, red flag etc..) and recolored the part I did want to use (the ring of grain). Since that emblem specifically is quite complex and uses a lot of gradients (which convert to bitmap hates), it was a lot easier to download the actual file and pick out the part I wanted and delete the rest.

This is actually even better to do on inkscape than on adobe illustrator with files from wikimedia commons, because 99% of them were already made on inkscape to begin with. Most of the time I don't need something so specific like a perfectly circular ring of grain, so I just download something from this page instead https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:SVG_coat_of_arms_elements. IIRC the wreath on Garbelia's flag was taken from there, but I might be wrong.

EDIT: I was wrong, Garbelia's flag uses a piece of the emblem of communist albania, so it's actually another example of me stealing art assets from communist nations.

The Green Otters' State of Garbelia

The most serene republicans wrote:

EDIT: I was wrong, Garbelia's flag uses a piece of the emblem of communist albania, so it's actually another example of me stealing art assets from communist nations.

Art is pretty much just stealing stuff you're allowed to use. I am pretty decent at drawing pixel cats (if I'm allowed to compliment my art), but only because I traced a photo of one that was free to use. 100% original art is very rare, especially online, where you are using tools made by others.

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Simbolon

Verdant Haven wrote:I suppose I'll join the "Two Truths and a Lie" we've got going on, so here are three statements revolving around the numbers three, two, and one!

1) I have personally handled a 1933 Saint-Gaudens double eagle - one of the world's rarest and most valuable coins - of which only 3 legally exist: 2 in the Smithsonian and 1 in private hands.
2) I have hiked or climbed on 3 of the "seven summits," 2 around the base, and 1 that I summited: Denali, Mont Blanc, and Kosciusko.
3) I have attended master classes by 3 award-winning luminaries of theater and film, 2 actors and 1 director: Ben Kingsley, Danny Glover, and John Barton.

My "strategy" when doing this previously was to be intentionally vague about details in order to throw people off. Well, the exact opposite also works, but requires more effort. I suspect (more like, hoping) 93% of the written statement here is correct, with an invalid specific detail as the determiner. Perhaps you handled said coin in a museum located outside your country (US?). Maybe you only went a third of the way up that mountain instead of summited. Or possibly, John Barton's class wasn't the one you participated, but actually the one by a different award-winning director.

I'm not even going to guess. I'm just curious...

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The Rewilding of Ruinenlust

Verdant Haven wrote:I've been making maps for decades, and something that eventually "clicked" for me somewhere along the way is that it doesn't work to first make the map, then give it a history and people. Maps reflect the history and people of the place they show. If you're looking for more than a geographic outline, the worldbuilding needs to come first.

I should have rather said that I'm not so much making maps (although that's what you'd call the physical sheets of paper that they're on), but rather that my process is to try to mimic how our civilization on earth itself unfolded.

To me, the idea is to start with the physical world itself, where are the continents, islands, ocean currents, patterns of precipitation, distribution of minerals, soil types, elevation, etc. etc., which itself then is the stage that the human (or fantasy, but I'm boring in that I would usually stick to earth-copies) world can unfold on. So to me, the process is less like, "okay, I want a big, monolithic China-like empire here, with natural borders in these directions," and more like, "okay, given this physical world with these different continents, archipelagoes, etc., what kinds of human settlement, trade routes, types of states, etc. are likely to be where?" Obviously then I would tweak things (e.g. actually, let's get rid of that island, or let's extend this mountain range so that the desert takes up more of this landmass), but to me, the natural part always had to come first, if only in rough contours.

I wonder if such a thing exists as you might call "Earth simulator" or "planet simulator," in the sense that you could start with a blank earth-sized planet with oceans, and then build landmasses and add elevations, and then the simulator would model (in somewhat rough terms, admittedly), what the climate and weather patterns would be like based on air currents and latitude and everything. So you could then mess with things (what if this mountain range were twice as high?) or (what if the continental shelf extended way out, so the ocean currents were farther offshore?) and stuff like that.

Don't get me wrong, I entirely see your perspective for narrative or traditional world building purposes, wherein you have the concepts of the human civilizations and then build a world to accommodate the elements of the story or world that you want, but to me, a major element of the project would be to start out with an untouched, natural world that was designed as an end in itself, and then the story would come in by looking at the canvas of the world and saying, "okay, where would organized states first develop?" "where would the cities eventually go?" "where are the extractable resources for an industrial state?" "which areas are likely to be fertile agricultural regions?" etc. etc.

By the way, your series of maps and your dedication to fleshing out the Bailiwicks is amazing. I wish I had the focus and determination to sit down and to even make a general map for Ruinenlust. I have ideas, but for lack of an ability to make a nice map on the computer, it never gets past the rough physical paper stage. :-/

Northern Wood wrote::D

Damn, that's awesome. I guess that's the sort of path one would follow to get into doing it. I found your explanation to be very good, haha, even if it's beyond my time and wherewithal to follow. There's always too much to do, and I feel like when I settle into something for too long that I'm "wasting time" that "should really be spent doing ___." But that's amazing. I think you're right that practicing is what makes things better and more efficient. When I think of how I would struggle to put lessons together during my first year teaching, compared to how now I can sit down for two hours and crank out assignments and handouts and activities for a class for three weeks, it really puts into perspective how doing it is itself the goal, because that only leads you to the enabling of further and better things. Thanks for the tutorial! ;-)

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The Federative Republic of Atsvea

Ruinenlust wrote:I should have rather said that I'm not so much making maps (although that's what you'd call the physical sheets of paper that they're on), but rather that my process is to try to mimic how our civilization on earth itself unfolded.

To me, the idea is to start with the physical world itself, where are the continents, islands, ocean currents, patterns of precipitation, distribution of minerals, soil types, elevation, etc. etc., which itself then is the stage that the human (or fantasy, but I'm boring in that I would usually stick to earth-copies) world can unfold on. So to me, the process is less like, "okay, I want a big, monolithic China-like empire here, with natural borders in these directions," and more like, "okay, given this physical world with these different continents, archipelagoes, etc., what kinds of human settlement, trade routes, types of states, etc. are likely to be where?" Obviously then I would tweak things (e.g. actually, let's get rid of that island, or let's extend this mountain range so that the desert takes up more of this landmass), but to me, the natural part always had to come first, if only in rough contours.

I wonder if such a thing exists as you might call "Earth simulator" or "planet simulator," in the sense that you could start with a blank earth-sized planet with oceans, and then build landmasses and add elevations, and then the simulator would model (in somewhat rough terms, admittedly), what the climate and weather patterns would be like based on air currents and latitude and everything. So you could then mess with things (what if this mountain range were twice as high?) or (what if the continental shelf extended way out, so the ocean currents were farther offshore?) and stuff like that.

Don't get me wrong, I entirely see your perspective for narrative or traditional world building purposes, wherein you have the concepts of the human civilizations and then build a world to accommodate the elements of the story or world that you want, but to me, a major element of the project would be to start out with an untouched, natural world that was designed as an end in itself, and then the story would come in by looking at the canvas of the world and saying, "okay, where would organized states first develop?" "where would the cities eventually go?" "where are the extractable resources for an industrial state?" "which areas are likely to be fertile agricultural regions?" etc. etc.

By the way, your series of maps and your dedication to fleshing out the Bailiwicks is amazing. I wish I had the focus and determination to sit down and to even make a general map for Ruinenlust. I have ideas, but for lack of an ability to make a nice map on the computer, it never gets past the rough physical paper stage. :-/

Damn, that's awesome. I guess that's the sort of path one would follow to get into doing it. I found your explanation to be very good, haha, even if it's beyond my time and wherewithal to follow. There's always too much to do, and I feel like when I settle into something for too long that I'm "wasting time" that "should really be spent doing ___." But that's amazing. I think you're right that practicing is what makes things better and more efficient. When I think of how I would struggle to put lessons together during my first year teaching, compared to how now I can sit down for two hours and crank out assignments and handouts and activities for a class for three weeks, it really puts into perspective how doing it is itself the goal, because that only leads you to the enabling of further and better things. Thanks for the tutorial! ;-)

Well besides identity, timezone, written language, China isn't much of a monolith either...

"mimic how our civilization on earth itself unfolded" agree 100%. That's why I don't have much interest in factbooks. Its hard to make it sound realistic from limited experience. It's like the perfect thing to apply game theory on. Now if only Civ wasn't so buggy...

Pretty sure you're describing my perfect strategy game... Not sure if it does exist though. There would be hella lot of variables. But I have to sate my thirst for strategy somehow. Terra Nil at least has the earth shaping down... never played age of empires

But yeah, top down worldbuilding is still insane. It's just that I want to love turbulent flow more than laminar

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The Equatorial Forests of Uan aa Boa

Einswenn wrote:First of all we must always remember Thatcher was living in a very, very different time. Whatever her life views were, they are outdated and invalid now. Public transport, i.e. aforementioned bus, is nothing like it was in her harsh era. Well, at least in the areas I've been to, although GB is not in the list :P But I truly doubt, say, London still exists in the setting of the mid 20th century.

Dude. Way to make a person feel really old.

Thatcher was Prime Minister from 1979 to 1990 - I'm not sure that qualifies as a harsh era in the mid 20th century. Life in the 1980s really wasn't as far removed from today as you make it sound. The life of a teenage boy life involved video games, music, RPGs for those so inclined, football, car envy, exam stress, existential angst and first encounters with alcohol, drugs and your own sexuality. Not so very different.

Thatcher's ideas are still very much with us. She won her battles so comprehensively that on most matters the subject was closed. For example, no successful political campaign since has aimed to increase basic taxation or disputed that the private sector is fundamentally beneficial to the country. The greed-is-good philosophy is alive and kicking. David Cameron's government (2010-16) was Thatcherism on steroids, using the 2008 crash as a pretext to begin rolling back public spending with the objective of reaching levels that can only be described as American. Right now Thatcherism is out of government, replaced by a Trumpesque populist nationalism defined by Brexit, but it hasn't gone away.

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The Rriknor of Einswenn

Uan aa Boa wrote:Dude. Way to make a person feel really old.

Thatcher was Prime Minister from 1979 to 1990 - I'm not sure that qualifies as a harsh era in the mid 20th century. Life in the 1980s really wasn't as far removed from today as you make it sound.

What I mean is her views were formed not during her term but rather way earlier than that, in other times. As far as I know it (and I may be wrong) she was too conservative for her governing time which once again links it to my point earlier. I might have worded it poorly enough, however I still believe her views were outdated even for late 20th century, not to mention the modern day.

I won’t comment on the part of the teenage boy life of the time since it has nothing to do with the topic of Thatcher speaking about adult things to shame :)

The Equatorial Forests of Uan aa Boa

Einswenn wrote:What I mean is her views were formed not during her term but rather way earlier than that, in other times. As far as I know it (and I may be wrong) she was too conservative for her governing time which once again links it to my point earlier. I might have worded it poorly enough, however I still believe her views were outdated even for late 20th century, not to mention the modern day.

Well, I've no information on when Thatcher formed her social or political views. I don't think she can be described as too conservative for her time. Despite being leader of the Conservative party she was in no sense conservative. Other elements of that party have often been easy to caricature in terms of not rocking the boat of social hierarchy, quiet respectability and cricket on the village green. Her government was a full frontal assault on previous norms. The collapse of heavy industry was painful medicine to be stoicly taken, and unemployed steel workers could either move to Milton Keynes to work in a call-centre or just suck it up. Natural monopolies were broken up and the pieces privatised. Influence held by institutions such as the church, the unions and the media was seen as a challenge to be defeated. Social housing and other public assets were sold at knock-down prices on the grounds that private ownership is inherently better than public. Traditional value was widely supplanted by monetary value. Assess it how you will - she has many admirers to this day - but it was deeply radical and absolutely not the imposition of the values of the 1940s, 50s and 60s.

The Populgoverne of Alcantaria

Middle Barael wrote:

toki! mi sona e sina la mi pilin pona. nimi mi pi Toki Pona li jan Sen. nimi sina pi Toki Pona li seme?

Anyways, this is my first real conlang. I’ve tried making them in the past, but I always ended up abandoning them. This conlang that I’m making now uses a Featural script, Triconsonantal Roots, derivational morphology, noun-adjective matching, both formal and informal grammar, and it has gender for verbs and pronouns but not for nouns.

An example sentence would be:
Mə shongəɾəsh omwəq nən pəwənəwə hə wənəwə, ə mə showənəw omwəq brəbr ləɡhəpə
/mʌ ʃoŋʌʁəsh omʍəq nʌn pʌʍənʌʍə hə ʍənʌʍə ʌ mʌ ʃoʍʌnəʍ omʍəq ʙʌʙ ləɣʌpə/
The dyer-man will get 7 bottles of wine, and the winemaker-man will get 5 clothes.

suno pona! mi pilin pona mute tan ni: sina ken toki e toki pona. nimi mi pi toki pona li jan Seli / Selijo.
mi sona ala e ni: mi ken kepeken e "ji" lon nimi pi toki pona :/ . mi ken la, nimi mi li Seliji :)

I see you are not running out of grammatical features in your conlang XD.
Unfortunately, my IPA knowledge is limited, so among the few things I see is that your language lacks
the i sound, which may be interesting.

Middle Barael wrote:Nope, I do eat my Brussels Sprouts raw. Also my carrots, broccoli, cauliflower, and onions. And although my brother and mother both pet the cobra in India, I did not.

Wow, I can only eat broccoli and cauliflower if they are boiled or grilled. You sure have strong teeth with all those raw carrots and broccoli XD

Edit: I forgot about the avoidance of double-posting, my bad.

Post self-deleted by Alcantaria.

The Incorporated States of Terrabod

Is there anywhere you'd want to visit during lockdown so you could just be there by yourself?

I'd love to go to the Museum of Egyptian Antiquities in Cairo. I've never been before but I think it'd be great to be able to take the time to look at everything and read everything without the crowds.

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The Rriknor of Einswenn

Uan aa Boa wrote:Well, I've no information on when Thatcher formed her social or political views. I don't think she can be described as too conservative for her time. Despite being leader of the Conservative party she was in no sense conservative. Other elements of that party have often been easy to caricature in terms of not rocking the boat of social hierarchy, quiet respectability and cricket on the village green. Her government was a full frontal assault on previous norms. The collapse of heavy industry was painful medicine to be stoicly taken, and unemployed steel workers could either move to Milton Keynes to work in a call-centre or just suck it up. Natural monopolies were broken up and the pieces privatised. Influence held by institutions such as the church, the unions and the media was seen as a challenge to be defeated. Social housing and other public assets were sold at knock-down prices on the grounds that private ownership is inherently better than public. Traditional value was widely supplanted by monetary value. Assess it how you will - she has many admirers to this day - but it was deeply radical and absolutely not the imposition of the values of the 1940s, 50s and 60s.

Which, however, doesn't go against what I said about her views being outdated (which was the original idea of my first reply). Okay, I could be wrong with the iffy term of mid 20th century and this was misleading for the reader, I admit. But still her quote needs to be taken with consideration of completely different era. It would be really sad if your realm [possibly] had no proper difference between "then" and "now", if you ask me. But there is nothing in common with the time you described comparing to modern day and modern life views, including the shaming of people using public transport. People do become openminded and this is a good sign of a good change.

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The Lovely Realm of Democratic Republic of Cacusia

Hiya everyone! I just moved here from the DSA. This seems like a lovely region

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The Concordant Stratum of The Cypher Nine

Democratic Republic of Cacusia wrote:Hiya everyone! I just moved here from the DSA. This seems like a lovely region

Welcome to Forest! Glad to have you. Want to introduce yourself? What got you into Nationstates and what is important to you?

Atsvea, Ruinenlust, Democratic Republic of Cacusia, Lord Dominator, and 5 othersSimbolon, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, Garbelia, and The most serene republicans

The Lovely Realm of Democratic Republic of Cacusia

The Cypher Nine wrote:Welcome to Forest! Glad to have you. Want to introduce yourself? What got you into Nationstates and what is important to you?

Sure! I discovered nation states back in 2016. I thought it was a great idea so I’ve been playing ever since. I started in Norrland, a small now inactive region where I resided for a few years before moving to the DSA. I was in the DSA for a little over a year, and now I’m here! As for what’s important to me in NS is having good conversation, quietly going through issues and having fun in general. This seemed like a nice region where I think I can do all those things.

Mount Seymour, Atsvea, Ruinenlust, Lord Dominator, and 6 othersUan aa Boa, Simbolon, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, Garbelia, and The most serene republicans

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