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The Northern Kingdom of Einswenn

Rivierenland wrote:Latkes seem tasty. I've gotta try 'em out some time

The awkward part is I don't remember if I ever tried them. I mean I could occasionally/routinely try it in Israel but I don't know if they are available all year round or on certain occasions only. Do you know that, Middle Barael?

The First Republic of Rivierenland

Einswenn wrote:The awkward part is I don't remember if I ever tried them. I mean I could occasionally/routinely try it in Israel but I don't know if they are available all year round or on certain occasions only. Do you know that, Middle Barael?

I've looked them up quickly. Damn, they're just rösti's but from Israel. I already liked rösti and if that's basically it, then i bet latkes are also very tasty (probably)

The Grand Duchy of Rivienland

Rivierenland wrote:Latkes seem tasty. I've gotta try 'em out some time

Same. Now I wanna try both Latkes and Hamantaschen!

The Northern Kingdom of Einswenn

Rivienland wrote:Same. Now I wanna try both Latkes and Hamantaschen!

I personally don't like fillings on/in cookies at all and of all Middle Barael mentioned I can only have chocolate. So I couldn't resist once offered Hamantaschen with choco filling. What would be your choice then?

Nattily dressed anarchists on bicycles

"Allan Bloom noted a possible conspiracy involving the Manischewitz company and the University of Chicago Business School.[3]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latke%E2%80%93Hamantash_Debate

I think we have at least a side quest, if not a main plot, for Deus Ex V.

Speaking of shadowy conspiracies, Phase 1B finally opened in my state, and I'm in line for a COVID vaccine. Now, I've heard all about NSA tracker microchips and such, and figure that it's mostly nonsense, but just in case, I thought it prudent to plan for all eventualities.

[adjusts glasses to COVID Assimilation Contingency Plan]

How do you all feel about adding your A) biological and/or B) technological distinctiveness to my own?

Dizgovzy

Einswenn wrote:In this case I am #teamlatkes too. Even without diving deeper in the topic I simply find potatoes snack be tastier.

Babushka would be proud. Make sure to eat the skin too.

The Alföldi People's Republic of Ypogegrammeni

While latkes are tasty (I make mine with a trace of cumin, and prefer a thin latke to the baking powder-enabled fluffy monstrosities some caterers serve), I feel called to defend the noble hamantash. (An etymological note: while some sources do agree with the segmentation -- requiring the borrowing of the Hebrew definite article -- provided above, ha-man-tash, a Yiddish-internal etymology would more parsimoniously be haman-tash -- di tashn fun Haman -- Haman's purse/pocket, a construction that would also fit oznei Haman 'Haman's ears', the modern Hebrew term of art for the pastry. That said, Sephardic Jews eat something called oznei Haman which are much more ear-shaped; the plot thickens?)

Friends, the hamantash is itself an idea. Exhibit A: this recipe trip for 'savory hamantashen' that three seconds of Googling found me, the characteristic triangular shape filled with cabbage, spinach and mushroom, and pumpkin. (Why on earth they didn't go with a spanakopita-inspired filling as long as they were using premade puff pastry, I'll never know.) You have already seen the great diversity of fillings mentioned by my esteemed colleague; you have already imagined the existing versatility, to which quick-thinking bakers around the world can only add each year! Pandan egg custard hamantashen? Don't mind if I do! And while the latke is an old standard, reliable through the cold of another long winter in diaspora in Ashkenaz, good with horseradish or applesauce or sour cream... you fuss with it at your peril; brave is the fellow who grates beets, courgettes, parsnips and fries them into something that may well be delicious, but which one would quail to call a latke.

Is adaptability not at the core of a continuous and yet nearly cacophonous-in-its-diversity food tradition? Is our cultural strength not in our ability to absorb multitudes while remaining, essentially, one? I urge you, therefore, to choose the food that so mutably represents this value. Latkes may well remain the food of your heart; join with me in declaring the hamantash the food of our minds. Thank you. (And to those who will celebrate, a freylekhn Purim!)

The Most Serene Eco-Republic of Middle Barael

Dizgovzy wrote:Babushka would be proud. Make sure to eat the skin too.

“You mean Bubbe, dizgovyleh.”

Ypogegrammeni wrote:While latkes are tasty (I make mine with a trace of cumin, and prefer a thin latke to the baking powder-enabled fluffy monstrosities some caterers serve), I feel called to defend the noble hamantash. (An etymological note: while some sources do agree with the segmentation -- requiring the borrowing of the Hebrew definite article -- provided above, ha-man-tash, a Yiddish-internal etymology would more parsimoniously be haman-tash -- di tashn fun Haman -- Haman's purse/pocket, a construction that would also fit oznei Haman 'Haman's ears', the modern Hebrew term of art for the pastry. That said, Sephardic Jews eat something called oznei Haman which are much more ear-shaped; the plot thickens?)

Friends, the hamantash is itself an idea. Exhibit A: this recipe trip for 'savory hamantashen' that three seconds of Googling found me, the characteristic triangular shape filled with cabbage, spinach and mushroom, and pumpkin. (Why on earth they didn't go with a spanakopita-inspired filling as long as they were using premade puff pastry, I'll never know.) You have already seen the great diversity of fillings mentioned by my esteemed colleague; you have already imagined the existing versatility, to which quick-thinking bakers around the world can only add each year! Pandan egg custard hamantashen? Don't mind if I do! And while the latke is an old standard, reliable through the cold of another long winter in diaspora in Ashkenaz, good with horseradish or applesauce or sour cream... you fuss with it at your peril; brave is the fellow who grates beets, courgettes, parsnips and fries them into something that may well be delicious, but which one would quail to call a latke.

Is adaptability not at the core of a continuous and yet nearly cacophonous-in-its-diversity food tradition? Is our cultural strength not in our ability to absorb multitudes while remaining, essentially, one? I urge you, therefore, to choose the food that so mutably represents this value. Latkes may well remain the food of your heart; join with me in declaring the hamantash the food of our minds. Thank you. (And to those who will celebrate, a freylekhn Purim!)

For the etymology of Hamantaschen, most scholars think that most likely it did come originally from “Ha-mun-taschen”, but it’s also very much possible that it was a pun on Haman, therefore a double meaning.

And all you said about customization can got for latkes as well. The Latke can be dipped in or covered in practically anything, and as long as you have shredded potatoes and a bit of onions fried in oil, you can also add many things to the Latke itself, such as spices, spinach, egg, mushrooms, carrots, and more.

In addition, from a philosophical standpoint Latkes are better, as their amoeba-like shape and lack of uniformity, coupled with their customization, make them a symbol of individuality and self-expression, as well as of the savory randomness of the Universe.

Furthermore, Latkes are the only Jewish holiday food to be recognized by the Supreme Court as a reminder for the miracle of their holiday, a feat that Hamantaschen have not been recognized by.

If you search up Latke, you get over 3.6 million results, compared to less than 600,000 for Hamantaschen. Clearly Latkes are more popular, even among non-Jews as well.

Finally, Alan Dershowitz was in favor of Hamantaschen at the debate. That says it all. This is the type of person who prefers Hamantaschen to Latkes.

And to all who celebrate or do not, חג שמח ובריא!

The Federated Bailiwicks of Verdant Haven

Jutsa wrote:So, thoughts on the current GA proposal?

I argued against the original resolution when it was first at vote, because it was so poorly worded and would prevent effective legislation on this necessary topic from being passed due to overlap. This repeal does not harm workers (the original resolution is too flawed to be meaningful), and may well help them by allowing actual protections to be passed.

To quote what I wrote at the time...

"The problem we're having is that this proposal as written goes beyond doing just that," [eliminating company unions] "and touches on several other elements in such a way that it would prevent effective legislation from being written for other aspects of union organization and labor law without first repealing this resolution. While the main thrust you describe for the proposal, and some of the "urges" clauses, are themselves good progressive positions we can support, a number of those other aspects that it touches upon, including mandated actions, are actually very conservative and anti-union. We are therefore concerned that, due to the unfortunate "repeal and replace" process that we are stuck with, the passage of this bill would potentially do more harm than good."

As such, my personal vote is to repeal.

The Unapologetic Feminists of Frieden-und Freudenland

Middle Barael wrote:Famous people who have participated include Milton Friedman (a Nobel Prize-winning economist), Alan Dershowitz (the lawyer who defended O.J. Simpson, Mike Tyson, Jeffrey Epstein, Harvey Weinstein, Julian Assange, and Donald Trump), the philosopher Martha Nussbaum, Austin Goolsbee (the former chair of the Council of Economic Advisors), and some would argue that Justice Blackmun of the US Supreme Court took a stance when he mentioned Latkes’ significance in a majority opinion for one of his Supreme Court cases.

Indeed a very distinguished bunch of people. So Pinker didn't join his buddy Dershowitz? He could have given him his expert opinion on how to "interpret" latke recipes to make them sound like something else.

The Most Serene Eco-Republic of Middle Barael

Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:Indeed a very distinguished bunch of people. So Pinker didn't join his buddy Dershowitz? He could have given him his expert opinion on how to "interpret" latke recipes to make them sound like something else.

What about Van dear Veen? He could’ve stolen a glass of Manischewitz to put on his Congress Coaster.

The Grand Duchy of Rivienland

Einswenn wrote:I personally don't like fillings on/in cookies at all and of all Middle Barael mentioned I can only have chocolate. So I couldn't resist once offered Hamantaschen with choco filling. What would be your choice then?

Oh, I would take a whole platter with all kinds of fillings!!!

The Alföldi People's Republic of Ypogegrammeni

Middle Barael wrote:

Furthermore, Latkes are the only Jewish holiday food to be recognized by the Supreme Court as a reminder for the miracle of their holiday, a feat that Hamantaschen have not been recognized by.

If you search up Latke, you get over 3.6 million results, compared to less than 600,000 for Hamantaschen. Clearly Latkes are more popular, even among non-Jews as well.

Nu, you want prominence among the nations should be our metric? Oy... Does this, my dear interlocutor, not fit squarely into an entire history of lending undue weight to Hanukkah-related celebrations, simply because of their temporal coincidence with a major festival? Should we not be allowed the space to choose what we bring to prominence, on our own terms?

(Tongue firmly in cheek, of course. I hope I'm not stepping on any toes when I admit I'm a latke man through and through.)

The First Republic of Rivierenland

Every time I see a post by Rivienland, I always get confused before I realise it's someone else with a similar name

The United Nordic Nation of Kepler-0085

Middle Barael wrote:“You mean Bubbe, dizgovyleh.”

You mean Babča, neználku.

Dizgovzy wrote:Babushka would be proud. Make sure to eat the skin too.

OH MY GOD, BAKED POTATOES WITH SKIN ARE THE BEST!
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The Hidden Pirate Cove of Chan Island

Rivierenland wrote:Every time I see a post by Rivienland, I always get confused before I realise it's someone else with a similar name

It's just your doppelgänger. No worries.

The Haugen Matriarchy of St Scarlett

Rivierenland wrote:Every time I see a post by Rivienland, I always get confused before I realise it's someone else with a similar name

I thought you were the same person for a moment

The Northern Kingdom of Einswenn

How many doppelgängers you guys have experienced during entire existence of your nations? I mean like a nearly the same flag, similar name, or common theme like if it was the same nation? Or have you maybe met impersonators?

I have met several nations with similar flags and at least one nation with similar name. Now we have Rivierenland and Rivienland whom I also confused at first sight. But it's pretty hard to match with unique names like Ypogegrammeni, Middle Barael, or Frieden-und Freudenland (as of the latest posted nations on this RMB). Sorry for the pings but you are not new to NS and I am really curious if you have ever seen your NS-twin.

Dizgovzy

Einswenn wrote:How many doppelgängers you guys have experienced during entire existence of your nations?

Dizgovsy although they CTE'd

Dorenland

Einswenn wrote:How many doppelgängers you guys have experienced during entire existence of your nations? I mean like a nearly the same flag, similar name, or common theme like if it was the same nation? Or have you maybe met impersonators?

I have met several nations with similar flags and at least one nation with similar name. Now we have Rivierenland and Rivienland whom I also confused at first sight. But it's pretty hard to match with unique names like Ypogegrammeni, Middle Barael, or Frieden-und Freudenland (as of the latest posted nations on this RMB). Sorry for the pings but you are not new to NS and I am really curious if you have ever seen your NS-twin.

Well, to name an example, yesterday I came here with the nation Dorwerland, but as the day progressed I came to dislike the name. So, I made Dorenland and abandoned Dorwerland, but reusing the flag and everything else. So, maybe that's also why there are duplicates sometimes? And I guess that some people will really like a name or theme sometimes and will want to copy it for their own nation. Just my thoughts on the matter :)

The Northern Kingdom of Einswenn

Dizgovzy wrote:Dizgovsy although they CTE'd

Was that rather an impersonator? Because your name is sort of purely original

Dorenland wrote:Well, to name an example, yesterday I came here with the nation Dorwerland, but as the day progressed I came to dislike the name. So, I made Dorenland and abandoned Dorwerland, but reusing the flag and everything else. So, maybe that's also why there are duplicates sometimes? And I guess that some people will really like a name or theme sometimes and will want to copy it for their own nation. Just my thoughts on the matter :)

Or, as I mentioned a couple of lines above, someone like a certain nation and want to impersonate (or most commonly troll) said nation. Your case sounds fair too and I also met some former nations abandoned with similar name with their new ones, but I meant meeting precisely alien nations of similar name/flag/lore which you know 100% is not you. Those coincidences are very likely to happen since there are over 200k active nations

Dorenland

Einswenn wrote:Or, as I mentioned a couple of lines above, someone like a certain nation and want to impersonate (or most commonly troll) said nation. Your case sounds fair too and I also met some former nations abandoned with similar name with their new ones, but I meant meeting precisely alien nations of similar name/flag/lore which you know 100% is not you. Those coincidences are very likely to happen since there are over 200k active nations

Oh, yes, absolutely! Sadly, there will always be trolls around who will either want to create a bad name for someone, or to annoy them (and others) that way. Although I think there was even an Issue written about it, that a newly formed nation took on the same name as yours.

The Northern Kingdom of Einswenn

Dorenland wrote:Oh, yes, absolutely! Sadly, there will always be trolls around who will either want to create a bad name for someone, or to annoy them (and others) that way. Although I think there was even an Issue written about it, that a newly formed nation took on the same name as yours.

I believe I recall issue like that. But happily impersonation is pretty much illegal and is easily dealt with involving site mods.

Dizgovzy

Einswenn wrote:Was that rather an impersonator? Because your name is sort of purely original

Nah it was a puppet I made as a joke with Laver but it ended up basically just being a trap because people would ping it instead of me 🥴

The Ecological Federation of Nation of Ecologists

Einswenn wrote:How many doppelgängers you guys have experienced during entire existence of your nations? I mean like a nearly the same flag, similar name, or common theme like if it was the same nation? Or have you maybe met impersonators?

I have met several nations with similar flags and at least one nation with similar name. Now we have [nationRivierenland[/nation] and [nationRivienland[/nation] whom I also confused at first sight. But it's pretty hard to match with unique names like Ypogegrammeni, Middle Barael, or Frieden-und Freudenland (as of the latest posted nations on this RMB). Sorry for the pings but you are not new to NS and I am really curious if you have ever seen your NS-twin.

I personally have not, as I usually tend to make my nation names quite original. My main account, Anatoliyanskiy, is definitely not going to have any doppelgängers.

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