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Nairatania

Spaghettitopia wrote:you sure? i have a source here that says the baby's nervous system isn't developed enough in the first trimester to feel pain. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/201429

“Evidence regarding the capacity for fetal pain is limited but indicates that fetal perception of pain is unlikely before the third trimester”

“ Thalamocortical fibers begin appearing between 23 to 30 weeks’ gestational age, while electroencephalography suggests the capacity for functional pain perception in preterm neonates probably does not exist before 29 or 30 weeks.”

Also, i'm looking at descriptions of Suction Abortion and i'm coming up on blank on your wording of "Piece by piece". Also, according to this source of medical news today: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/325598#:~:text=Because%20the%20procedure%20involves%20the,pulling%20sensation%20during%20the%20process. suction abortion usually isn't painful, which is better than going into labour and actually giving birth.

"Piece by piece" 💀

Ambaskow

So when can we solve this chemical thing, or did it already get done while I was asleep?

Spaghettitopia

Ambaskow wrote:So when can we solve this chemical thing, or did it already get done while I was asleep?

what chemical thing? the crozo one? In that case, idk. nobody seems to care for now

Northeastern italian

Ambaskow

Spaghettitopia wrote:what chemical thing? the crozo one? In that case, idk. nobody seems to care for now

Yes Crozo chemical weapon crisis

Northeastern italian

Spaghettitopia

Ambaskow wrote:Yes Crozo chemical weapon crisis

dunno, doesn't seem like anyone's talking about it now.

The Empire of Great Octavia

Ambaskow wrote:Yes Crozo chemical weapon crisis

Osowiec then and again

The Record-Scratchin' Robot of Sincluda

Academic festival marzo wrote:Abortion should be illegal. Just cause you don't want the baby doesn't mean you have a right to murder it.

Just because you don't like abortion doesn't mean you have a right to control another person's body.

Academic festival marzo wrote:When a baby is 5 days old, it has pain sensors. And soon after, the baby gets a heartbeat and a brain and whatnot. By the time you can know your pregnant, you have a human inside you.

Exactly why it doesn't make sense to ban abortions so early on in the pregnancy--you can't even tell that you're pregnant that early.

Academic festival marzo wrote:

Would you rather have a kid, go through the pain of that, and have it given away for adoption, or have the baby ripped apart piece by piece by a vacuum that goes up your Va-gi-na

Yes, that's literally the point of an abortion.

Now I'd really prefer not arguing on here like it's NSG

Ambaskow

Welp the rmb is dead now

Puzakland

Ambaskow wrote:Welp the rmb is dead now

Well then lets light it up. Nobody needs to be bored.

Northeastern italian

Ambaskow wrote:Welp the rmb is dead now

for me it's almost 1:00

Kluyatia

Northeastern italian wrote:for me it's almost 1:00

It's 0:42

Post self-deleted by Puzakland.

Kluyatia

Puzakland wrote:I stayed up till 6 am once.

There was a time I woke up at 2 am and stayed up

Ambaskow

Northeastern italian wrote:for me it's almost 1:00

It is 6:00 AM for me :/

Wish I had better timezone, I'm online when everybody is offline

Northeastern italian

Puzakland

Ambaskow wrote:It is 6:00 AM for me :/

Wish I had better timezone, I'm online when everybody is offline

Luckily for you I stay up until 2 EST on average.

Spaghettitopia

Kluyatia wrote:There was a time I woke up at 2 am and stayed up

i had serious jetlag one day and then forgot to sleep

Post self-deleted by Kluyatia.

The People's Republic of Andusre

Academic festival marzo wrote:Abortion should be illegal. Just cause you don't want the baby doesn't mean you have a right to murder it. For example, if someone have a miscarriage, you don't say "Sorry your clump of cells died". You say "Sorry for your loss."

We also don't charge people who physically assault pregnant people with child abuse, nor do we make fathers of foetuses pay child support as soon as a pregnancy is confirmed. Because embryos and foetuses are not people.

Academic festival marzo wrote:When a baby is 5 days old, it has pain sensors. And soon after, the baby gets a heartbeat and a brain and whatnot.

It takes much, much longer than a mere 5 days for complex structures like the cardiovascular and nervous systems to develop. Citation thoroughly needed in this claim.

Academic festival marzo wrote:By the time you can know your pregnant, you have a human inside you. And if you really don't want a baby so bad, think about this:

Would you rather have a kid, go through the pain of that, and have it given away for adoption, or have the baby ripped apart piece by piece by a vacuum that goes up your Va-gi-na

I am not a person with a uterus so my opinion on this is not particularly important. But it is entirely reasonable for a pregnant person to make a decision both for themselves and their child that the termination of the pregnancy would be for the best. It's not as simple as giving birth to the child then giving it up for adoption. (1) giving birth is a life-threatening medical procedure and in many instances is incredibly traumatising (2) adoption centres around the world are already overwhelmed with how many children they have to care for and re-home, adding more children to that puts an already direly struggling service under even more pressure and puts people in danger (3) Even if a child is not aborted, the world they are being brought into is one of immense pain, suffering, war and turmoil. Edgy as this post might sound, the world is not a particularly nice place to live right now and I completely understand if a prospective parent wants to save their child from ever having to experience the horrors of the modern world.

Overall, people who are pro-forced birth seem to miss three key things

(1) Abortion is a medical issue. Even people who want the child need abortions - for example, in ectopic pregnancies where the embryo is implanted in a fallopian tube rather than the uterine walls - to save their life. That kind of life-saving care is now likely to be criminalised in many parts of the US because the GOP is plugging its ears and refusing to listen to people with uteruses and the medical professions. And people will die excruciatingly painful deaths because of that.

(2) The pro-forced birth movement in the United States is based on racism. Republicans have been quite open and vocal about their plans to ban abortion, because when you look at the figures most people who get abortions are white - and what happens if you ban the abortion of predominantly white children? You get more white babies being born, which Republicans hope will counteract the demographic shifts in America away from a white majority. Any other means of influencing the population to be more white are either illegal, or would be political suicide. I am sure that most pro-forced birth people are not aware of this, but that is the true nature of that movement. Pro-forced birth is based in racism & misogyny.

(3) A lot of pregnant people are pregnant because it was forced upon them, most commonly due to rape. Victims of rape who become pregnant absolutely should not be forced to carry the child of their rapist, and if someone doesn't agree then I am stunned they could possibly claim to be acting on moral or ethical grounds.

Overall, abortion isn't the government's business, nor is it the business of crusty old cis het white men in positions of power who seem so insistent on forcing their interpretation of a mythical sky wizard's gossip diary onto others.

Keep your laws off people's bodies.

Sincluda, Yupsie, and Spaghettitopia

Puzakland

Dogs: Gets Domesticated
Humans: Snip Snip!

Ambaskow

Rp again, ambaskow has brung more tanks and troops to Crozo in sudan, along with more equipment

Puzakland

I haven't committed a genocide for like half a week by now.

Kluyatia

Puzakland wrote:I haven't committed a genocide for like half a week by now.

Record

Puzakland

The Alt Nation of Deladara

Le Libertia wrote:Okay, let's tackle this bunch all at once!
So I've never been a huge fan or follower of these RMB politics/warfare roleplays. Some seem interesting, but I've just never been hooked in. Firstly, warfare doesn't interest me much. More significantly, I'd say the biggest factors that hold me back is how everything is quick and unpredictable (the 'rules of the game' tend to be improvised on the spot), which makes it easy for things to get chaotic. I have tried my hand at factbooks, but I felt mostly 'meh' about the results I've made.

Yep, I did this. Due to a recent presidential election, the executive administration of Europeia has changed. While Writinglegend won reelection, he opted to run in his second term with a different Vice Presidential candidate, Not to fret. Sincluda's activity has been dialed down, so he couldn't commit to serving another term as VP. As delegate, I make change who the regional officials are to reflect these changes.

You can learn all about how the Europeian government operates by joining the forums. When I was a newcomer, I was reticent to join the forums too, but once I did, it was a decision I did not regret. The forums offer so much in allowing you to create your own threads and communicate with other members more easily. It's really helpful for nearly anything you want to do NS-related.

The RP on the RMB here tends to move at a breakneck pace too, so I can't say I follow what happens in it much.

Yeah, things in the RMB can be pretty rough at times. On the forums, members are discussing if there are ways to moderate this space better.

You should probably update the WFE 🥶

Northeastern italian

Andusre wrote:We also don't charge people who physically assault pregnant people with child abuse, nor do we make fathers of foetuses pay child support as soon as a pregnancy is confirmed. Because embryos and foetuses are not people.

It takes much, much longer than a mere 5 days for complex structures like the cardiovascular and nervous systems to develop. Citation thoroughly needed in this claim.

I am not a person with a uterus so my opinion on this is not particularly important. But it is entirely reasonable for a pregnant person to make a decision both for themselves and their child that the termination of the pregnancy would be for the best. It's not as simple as giving birth to the child then giving it up for adoption. (1) giving birth is a life-threatening medical procedure and in many instances is incredibly traumatising (2) adoption centres around the world are already overwhelmed with how many children they have to care for and re-home, adding more children to that puts an already direly struggling service under even more pressure and puts people in danger (3) Even if a child is not aborted, the world they are being brought into is one of immense pain, suffering, war and turmoil. Edgy as this post might sound, the world is not a particularly nice place to live right now and I completely understand if a prospective parent wants to save their child from ever having to experience the horrors of the modern world.

Overall, people who are pro-forced birth seem to miss three key things

(1) Abortion is a medical issue. Even people who want the child need abortions - for example, in ectopic pregnancies where the embryo is implanted in a fallopian tube rather than the uterine walls - to save their life. That kind of life-saving care is now likely to be criminalised in many parts of the US because the GOP is plugging its ears and refusing to listen to people with uteruses and the medical professions. And people will die excruciatingly painful deaths because of that.

(2) The pro-forced birth movement in the United States is based on racism. Republicans have been quite open and vocal about their plans to ban abortion, because when you look at the figures most people who get abortions are white - and what happens if you ban the abortion of predominantly white children? You get more white babies being born, which Republicans hope will counteract the demographic shifts in America away from a white majority. Any other means of influencing the population to be more white are either illegal, or would be political suicide. I am sure that most pro-forced birth people are not aware of this, but that is the true nature of that movement. Pro-forced birth is based in racism & misogyny.

(3) A lot of pregnant people are pregnant because it was forced upon them, most commonly due to rape. Victims of rape who become pregnant absolutely should not be forced to carry the child of their rapist, and if someone doesn't agree then I am stunned they could possibly claim to be acting on moral or ethical grounds.

Overall, abortion isn't the government's business, nor is it the business of crusty old cis het white men in positions of power who seem so insistent on forcing their interpretation of a mythical sky wizard's gossip diary onto others.

Keep your laws off people's bodies.

1: I'm no expert, but in the US isn't it easier for you to have children? like, the death rate per childbirth is minuscule

2: Well, misogyny aside, what's wrong with having more whites than blacks??

3: I totally agree with this, abortion should only be done in cases of rape or when the mother's life is at risk.

Most of the time these grumpy straight cis white men are the ones who move a country

Why am I arguing about something I'm not even involved in? it's not my country 😅

Ambaskow and Kluyatia

Spaghettitopia

Northeastern italian wrote:1: I'm no expert, but in the US isn't it easier for you to have children? like, the death rate per childbirth is minuscule

2: Well, misogyny aside, what's wrong with having more whites than blacks??

3: I totally agree with this, abortion should only be done in cases of rape or when the mother's life is at risk.

Most of the time these grumpy straight cis white men are the ones who move a country

Why am I arguing about something I'm not even involved in? it's not my country 😅

1. Yes, but the abortion bans in the US are likely going to also ban life-saving abortions.

2. The original person never said anything about white majority being a bad thing, they were saying that the people who wanted to ban abortion wanted more white babies. As he said, white people are more likely to have abortions. If you ban abortions, more white babies will be born. It's a way of passively increasing the white population. Working to actively increase the population of one specific race is not good

3. Agree.

Northeastern italian

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