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The Crown Dominion of Owlograd

Vallony wrote:https://youtu.be/-EJ17skCVG4
Binkov Baby. Also why the name calling, friend?

Did you even read the whole thing? Additionally, reverting me to a video made by one of your same ideology is obviously biased and a marring of the truth. The Soviets would have never gotten as out of control as they did without Thermonuclear Weapons (which you happily supplied the idea for) and the chance we had to peacefully reintegrate Eastern Bloc countries without the haze of distrust and without the ruination of these countries cultures and economies.

Vallony

Owlograd wrote:Did you even read the whole thing? Additionally, reverting me to a video made by one of your same ideology is obviously biased and a marring of the truth. The Soviets would have never gotten as out of control as they did without Thermonuclear Weapons (which you happily supplied the idea for) and the chance we had to peacefully reintegrate Eastern Bloc countries without the haze of distrust and without the ruination of these countries cultures and economies.

Same ideology? He does battle simulation videos. Hes a historian. Wtf are you ideology-ing about? See, this is what scares me. Soviets at their core were crazy. Stalin, Lenin, Beria, Leonid were all crazy. It's only fitting the USSR lasted 69 years. Stop seeing everything as ideological. Just enjoy the video. For example, I bet you hate him because he sounds Russian. Thats racist. I can jump to conclusions too.

The Crown Dominion of Owlograd

Vallony wrote:Same ideology? He does battle simulation videos. Hes a historian. Wtf are you ideology-ing about? See, this is what scares me. Soviets at their core were crazy. I bet you hate him because he sounds Russian. Thats racist.

1. Racism only applies to race of people, not a nation.
2. The Soviets had a good idea of a classless society, but it was poorly executed.
3. Watching it, it appears to literally be a military simulation. No politics or treaties or any other occurrences.

The Constitutional Monarchy of Regnum Italiae

I heavily disagree with this 'America just helped' revisionism. It's a matter of fact that the US helped UK whithstand Nazi attacks and repel them from Africa and liberated France, the Benelux and Italy. Plus, it was Stalin who pushed the Allies to open up a second and then a third front in Europe. The US was as fundamental as the USSR in defeating nazi-fascism in Europe. And, don't forget two things. First, Stalin was allied with Hitler. Two, Soviet regime was a crappy dictatorship.

The Militarist Police State of Burvenchkaht

Hello lads, sorry to break your arguement, but have you guys decided for a game?

The Anarcho-Syndicalist Communes of Thracia and Crimea

Any time I see 400-500 unread messages on the RMB, I immediately think of those who come in here occasionally and complain how the region is dead lol

The Grand Falconer of Europe of The New Nordic Union

Regnum Italiae wrote:I heavily disagree with this 'America just helped' revisionism. It's a matter of fact that the US helped UK whithstand Nazi attacks and repel them from Africa and liberated France, the Benelux and Italy. Plus, it was Stalin who pushed the Allies to open up a second and then a third front in Europe. The US was as fundamental as the USSR in defeating nazi-fascism in Europe. And, don't forget two things. First, Stalin was allied with Hitler. Two, Soviet regime was a crappy dictatorship.

Yeah, they (just) helped. They weren't the big hero swooping in saving everyone's incompetent behinds, but of course they also were not irrelevant. None could have done it without the other. That's what I mean by helping. Alone the USA wouldn't have won. And alone the USSR would probably not have won as well.

Also: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/bxe58t/poll_in_france_which_country_contributed_the_most/

Thracia and Crimea, St Scarlett, Rary, Libertandonien, and 5 othersEco-Paris Reformation, Berlin and Hanover, Ramonasche, Phillip isle, and Antair

The Constitutional Monarchy of Regnum Italiae

The New Nordic Union wrote:Yeah, they (just) helped. They weren't the big hero swooping in saving everyone's incompetent behinds, but of course they also were not irrelevant. None could have done it without the other. That's what I mean by helping. Alone the USA wouldn't have won. And alone the USSR would probably not have won as well.

Also: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/bxe58t/poll_in_france_which_country_contributed_the_most/

And again, you are using 'just' and this is clear to me as a way to undervalue their effort. They saved half Europe a*s, it's a fact. The other half was too unlicky do be closer to USSR.
And I disagree on the fact the US couldn't have done it alone btw. But that's my opinion.
Also, it's a poll in France. Does this really amaze you?

The Federal Queendom of Elisabethshagen

Regnum Italiae wrote:
And again, you are using 'just' and this is clear to me as a way to undervalue their effort. They saved half Europe a*s, it's a fact. The other half was too unlicky do be closer to USSR.
And I disagree on the fact the US couldn't have done it alone btw. But that's my opinion.
Also, it's a poll in France. Does this really amaze you?

I agree: The USA freed Europe including Germany. AND they build Western Germany bigger and better than before. The USA are the reason of the wealth in that part of Germany.

The Grand Falconer of Europe of The New Nordic Union

Regnum Italiae wrote:And again, you are using 'just' and this is clear to me as a way to undervalue their effort. They saved half Europe a*s, it's a fact. The other half was too unlicky do be closer to USSR.
And I disagree on the fact the US couldn't have done it alone btw. But that's my opinion.
Also, it's a poll in France. Does this really amaze you?

Yeah, 'just' because they have been painted as 'saving Europe', implying 'singlehandedly'. Which they didn't. I don't disagree they (helped) save half of Europe. But they didn't do it alone. And that's what I want to underline. I am not undervaluing their effort, but not overvaluing it, as well, which in my opinion it generally is.

The Grand Falconer of Europe of The New Nordic Union

Maybe it's a matter of translation? Would it be better to say they 'only' helped instead of 'just'?

The Federal Queendom of Elisabethshagen

The New Nordic Union wrote:

1 You helped, at best
2 I actually don't want my country to be in the NATO🤷🏻

The NATO is the only way. ASK Finnland about it...

The Grand Falconer of Europe of The New Nordic Union

Elisabethshagen wrote:The NATO is the only way. ASK Finnland about it...

Nah. We'd need a stronger European alliance (including Finland) without having to rely on the USA imo. Establish a third/fourth block.

Einswenn, Regnum Italiae, Laver Island, Rary, and 6 othersLibertandonien, Kanokla, Eco-Paris Reformation, Berlin and Hanover, Ramonasche, and Phillip isle

The Constitutional Monarchy of Regnum Italiae

Elisabethshagen wrote:The NATO is the only way. ASK Finnland about it...

The New Nordic Union wrote:Nah. We'd need a stronger European alliance (including Finland) without having to rely on the USA imo. Establish a third/fourth block.

You're both right is this aspect. As of now, NATO is our only instruments to stay relevant and protected. Yet, the most auspicable ending would be to have a free, united, diplomatically and militarly self-sufficient Europe, where NATO is more an equal parternship with US rather than a "let's hope US protect us, in the meanwhile take this base" thing.

Phillip isle

Regnum Italiae wrote:I heavily disagree with this 'America just helped' revisionism. It's a matter of fact that the US helped UK whithstand Nazi attacks and repel them from Africa and liberated France, the Benelux and Italy. Plus, it was Stalin who pushed the Allies to open up a second and then a third front in Europe. The US was as fundamental as the USSR in defeating nazi-fascism in Europe. And, don't forget two things. First, Stalin was allied with Hitler. Two, Soviet regime was a crappy dictatorship.

Finally, a voice of reason! 🙏

Yahlia, Rary, Libertandonien, Eco-Paris Reformation, and 2 othersVallony, and Berlin and Hanover

The Slaypublic of Gliesetonia

Libertandonien wrote:What do you think will 2023 bring for the Grüne?

No idea tbh, but considering climate change as a topic is becoming more relevant daily I think they will probably achieve similar results as previously. I'm not sure if they will make more gains though as I think that most climate aware people already voted for them in 2019. I'm by no means an expert though so I could be completely wrong XD

The Haugen Matriarchy of St Scarlett

Dectanache wrote:i like guns

"The US has had almost 400 school shootings since the UK had it's last 1 (the only one in its entire history)"

"I like guns"

I don't like to be rude but some Americans are really really stupid.

The Haugen Matriarchy of St Scarlett

Vallony wrote:We should abandon you. Europe isn't our responsibility. Why should we defend you? Countries in Europe don't even pay the required amount by NATO law! Do we want a third world war? Your countries have their own militaries. Use them.Britain didn't ban slavery until 1833. Brazil didn't abandon slavery until 1888. China still has it. Thailand still has it in some regions. Africa is rife with it. Your point? At least our founding fathers provided a way for us to get rid of it and abolished the importation of slaves in 1807. At least we fought a civil war to end it for good. People died to set that record straight. We lost more people in the civil war then YOUR continents' two world wars. Apparently Europe can't take care of itself. Remember, You must look at people back in history through the lenses of that time. We can't compare people of the past to the standards of today. In that case, everyone in the past was evil and regressive.
That's literally what they descend from. That's history plain and simple. Learn it.

The US shouldn't abandon Europe and Europe shouldn't abandon the US. NATO, the UN, Nuclear Deterrents, these are the reasons we haven't had another World War and they're also the reason we should all remain by each others sides and not fighting pointless wars or going all isolationist. We will have another world war if these things break down.

Also the Civil War is a pretty clear sign of the problems with the US. The US had to fight a war to get rid of something that is very obviously wrong? That's not a good thing, the US was one of the last countries in the west to abolish it and only after the country literally tore itself in half and paid off all the slave owners was it finally done away with.

None of this changes the fact that your founding fathers supported slavery (the point you were apparently trying to refute), so this whataboutism is meaningless.

Libertandonien

Galway-Dublin wrote:going undercover. the psychologist on twitter who said that sissy hypnotism porn is responsible for people being transgender. the greatest target of the 21st century. a hero of myth and legend. i must infiltrate his headquarters. his castle. his domain. i must disguise myself as a well-meaning parent concerned about rapid onset gender dysphoria, who just discovered a whole new batch of sissy hypno pornography for this expert analyst to investigate. i must act with caution, knowing this is the most dangerous mission of my professional life. but the potential for funny ha ha moments stands without compare.

good luck o7

The New Nordic Union wrote:Kissinger is still alive though?
Here I was, expecting good news only to be disappointed.

on my wedding: 👕 🩳
the day when George Bush and Kissinger die: 🤵

The Dual Republics of Kanokla

Laver Island wrote:4 parties? 🗿
Try having 17 (The Fareose and Greenlandic parties included)

Democracy: GOTY version with all DLC packs included.

Laver Island wrote:Touch grass

What an underrated pejorative.

The New Nordic Union wrote:Kissinger is still alive though?
Here I was, expecting good news only to be disappointed.

Same. I have never been more bamboozled in my life. 🤡

Regnum Italiae wrote:I heavily disagree with this 'America just helped' revisionism. It's a matter of fact that the US helped UK whithstand Nazi attacks and repel them from Africa and liberated France, the Benelux and Italy. Plus, it was Stalin who pushed the Allies to open up a second and then a third front in Europe. The US was as fundamental as the USSR in defeating nazi-fascism in Europe. And, don't forget two things. First, Stalin was allied with Hitler. Two, Soviet regime was a crappy dictatorship.

https://imgur.com/a/rfnmHmj

The Literally your mother of Laver Island

Kanokla wrote:Democracy: GOTY version with all DLC packs included.

Now tis quality post

Gotho

Has someone watched American Psycho? How is it?

The Haugen Matriarchy of St Scarlett

Gotho wrote:Has someone watched American Psycho? How is it?

It's alright, a bit confusing though.

The Dual Republics of Kanokla

Laver Island wrote:Now tis quality post

https://imgur.com/a/ntn8Ehp

Ramonasche

Americans: “China and Russia are terrible countries, we must defeat them!”
Also Americans: “We should abandon Europe, this is a waste of my taxpayer money!!11”

Tbh I think Americans have no idea how bad it would be for the US to leave NATO.
I personally think that at this point, a European army needs to be built. The US has shown itself as a more and more unreliable partner, and I think that Europe can no longer just rely on the hope that the US will help in a conflict.

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