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The Holy Protectorate of Saint Constable So should Brazil go to war against NATO to stop the aggression? Or send weapons to the Middle East to help fight the invaders? I have no idea why you are bringing this up here as it is a complete non sequitor but: 1. It was AZERBAIJAN, not Uzbekistan 2. Russia is Armenia's ally but provided them with no help at all, actually, since the territory under dispute is not Armenia proper. 3. if your point was to discuss Turkey's problematic policies, then I clarify that I was referring to their troops in Cyprus, Iraq and Syria. 1. We do need to remember everything because after so many invasions and interventions your desire is to stop Russia 2. Putin is megalomaniac?! Speaking of Ukraine, who keeps breaching diplomatic accords? But of course, the megalomaniac is Putin............................................... FFS |
The Holy Protectorate of Saint Constable You clearly know nothing about military science. Russia is fighting Ukraine, not just a few of its eastern provinces. Until Ukraine surrenders, the war will continue in the entirety of its territory. Russia tried to negotiate, the West never cared. Huh?! you must live in the twilight zone. What city has been destroyed so far? Mariupol is the one that had it worst and it looks fine when comparing to Aleppo or Grozny. I estimate that 2/3 of the city are habitable. the war is a convenient excuse for illegal economic immigration, yes. Meanwhile, back in Ukraine, the population did not see its water, electricity or even internet cut by the invading army. I just observe your hypocrisy: you demand intervention against Russia but never demanded it against NATO.................... Yes well, they threw that chance away when they decided to put revolutionary progressives and nazis in power. This is what they get. Russian demands have been clear from day 1: neutral Ukraine, denazified Ukraine, recognition of Crimea reunification and Donbass independence. Kiev has been equally clear in rejecting all of them............... |
The Counter Reformation of Oire So many rational people have joined the Ukraine bandwagon it's depressing. Even as the warmongers don't try to hide it. Hopefully the Eurovision vote rigging scandal will prove too much for the masses. |
The Star Kingdom of Prudentias "I just observe your hypocrisy: you demand intervention against Russia but never demanded it against NATO...................." Calm down dude, we are on a rational debate here, we are brothers here not enemies, you have the right of dissent and I see your point but accusing me of hypocrisy is going so far my friend, I never offended you of anything and if I did it I ask for forgiveness, your points and arguments are interesting and I will answer them, you are an intelligent person, don't lose your mind just offending the other part. I am not defending NATO, I am defending that Russia is wrong too and did the worst option available, but I will continue your debate later. I would answer to you now but I am working on lawsuits (I am a lawyer but I am not proud of it) and studying a lot to get a better job than this and I am getting problems with my mental health due to lack of time for myself too. We strongly oppose each other about the Russia-Ukraine conflict but we don't need to offend each other, we are not so different, we both agree that the West is a mess, our dissent is about the Russian answer to this and about Russian government. And please stop these things of "you are watching western propaganda", CNN in Brazil is caring more about taking every single opportunity to attack our populist right-wing president to put our populist left-wing ex-president in power again than talking who is right in this conflict. The main thing about the Russian-Ukraine war on Brazil is the rise of price of fertilizer and wheat, because most of our soil don't have the climate to produce it and we consume it daily, this war raised the price of it in Brazil and it's basically the only thing that we really care about it, Russia is far way from Brazil and my region is not an interesting target for nukes and military incursions at all, we are in the best place to live if this war go to a MAD between Russia and the West. |
The Holy Protectorate of Saint Constable I seem to have that effect on people. I assure you you have the wrong impression. I do not insult you or call you names, I am merely describing what I see. Hypocrisy is simply a contradiction. I am just accusing you of double standards. This is not in itself an accusation of dishonesty or of acting in bad faith. Your hypocrisy can be emotion based and honest. I honestly observe that your arguments are the same of those of the very biased media and that you clearly do not have access to non-western sources. I am just diagnosing the problem with your arguments, that is all. |
The Star Kingdom of Prudentias They win just because they are Ukrainian and let's go, I may be against Russian invasion of Ukraine but this country is European only in the map, Eurovision is basically a Western European club and I never liked any winner of the prize at all. I know you are European but most West Europeans are so naive about their governments and global issues that I don't understand why they were not destroyed yet. You Irish seems to be more aware of the real things despite recent abortion and feminist power advances because you suffered as a colony in the hands of an extreme imperialist country nearby for centuries in a way that probably only ex-Spanish and ex-Portuguese colony people will understand at all, and you still have some Catholic culture. And there is rational arguments on both sides of the war, considering this in a wide scenario in the end this is just a war between Russia and the West about who will have Eastern Europe in it's area of influence and Ukraine position transform it in a strategic point that who had more dominance get more advantage on it, there is no right side at all, only the more stupid and cruel player, and that is what we dissent about. |
The Star Kingdom of Prudentias I understand, sometimes I do the same thing sometimes, about the very biased media, they are mostly targeting our elections and I'm not having time to watch it anyway, any argument that seems like western media propaganda is just an unfortunate coincidence. Well, I will continue debating it later brother, thank you. |
My Brothers & Sisters, I am Cardinal Ave Maria from the Virtual Roman Catholic Church (VRCC). I've come to wish you a Blessed Easter. We are all too familiar with the dangers of the world around us. Just last week, a friendly region was overtaken by invaders, thankfully they recaptured their region. But we see this all too often. We are hesitant to travel the dark world out of fear of attack, and we fear to share our Christian Faith. We shall fear no more. The light of this Easter season, shall drive out the darkness and evil we encounter. We begin now, by sharing our friendship and our common faith. My dear friends in Christ, I come to your region in friendship and invite you to begin the dialogue among our regions and nations to extend the diplomacy and shared renewal of our faith. I've come to share the good news that he is Risen, Alleluia! My dear friends, I appreciate the opportunity to visit and to share my friendship with you on behalf of the VRCC. Many Blessings +Cardinal Ave Maria+ |
The Star Kingdom of Prudentias Well, studying again... ... to get a better job, being a lawyer don't pay well, people are learning to solve their problems by themselves again and I will never consider being a criminal law, I will not defend criminal people, I am a lawyer but I still have empathy. And soon I will be studying to pass an exam to work in the public service, to be a Justice Officer, the "hand of the Judge", or if I don't pass I will go until pass into something that is stable and pay well. Law is extremely boring and remembered why I made philosophy even being a lawyer later, a closed system when we need to deal with a book of laws and people who (think that) knows about it and launches a book that will soon be useless because a new change of rules, judge interpretation or even a new great one in scenario get another interpretation or a lew law. As we use civil law, despite recent mixing with common law due to the total lack of civil law system to deal with a rapid changing society that chooses new people to give or remove rights according to electoral convenience each year, and this comes from all sides of the politics, this is boring, a philosophy book never lose it's worth, a law book can be easily burned after two years. This is giving depression to me, but I remember the value of DISCIPLINE. If I am disciplined only when studying something I enjoy, I am not being disciplined at all, being discipline means doing what needs to be done even when it's boring, even when it put my mental health in peril. Catholic and orthodox chants made me feel with a cause worth more than the gold and power I will have, Brazilians care only about power, money and sex, if you have a book, it's obscene unless you are filthy rich or it's a marketing book, Brazilians are the ultimate materialists, I may be a patriot, because if I don't love my own people, I am not loving myself because I am part of it, but being a nationalist with the people I deal with and the contingencies that this filthy culture throw to my life prevents me from being anything nationalistic at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-3h9TQ312c Political incorrectness 1: This music made feel a little less misogynistic, and yes I know it's a problem. Political incorrectness 2: Yes this is an orthodox chant, and I think that the Putin mistake was to make his army to march to Kiev, marching to Constantinople would be far better than this, a third Reconquista! About the debate, yes I'm sometimes thinking about his, probably I will begun from what we have in common, well in fact three things, the first point is that NATO is evil too, the second is that Putin may have a point being right or wrong, the third is that the West is in a sorry state of decay and get to an hypocrisy level high to the point of making Putin looking reasonable. |
The Counter Reformation of Oire Does common law matter in criminal trials or is it all legislation now? |
The Star Kingdom of Prudentias It's all legislation in criminal laws in Brazil, and if a homicide happens the accused is subject to a jury court. We adopt inquisitorial system in the investigation, then the persecutor chooses to put him under trial it became an accusatory system where he will have his right of defense secured by law. It is in Civil Law were things became more like common law, the Supreme Court voted for LGBT marriage and protection of women to the point that there is a rising number of man that refuses to have any relationship at all fearing to lose their patrimony or suffer a fake accusation of violence. A lot of woman here are becoming alone, man too but we are already used to be like that, considering that most of the women here stay with a few number of man, most of the children here or don't know her father or know but see him few times staying most of the times with the mother. I am not a MGTOW, I even had a girlfriend 2 months ago that I had for two years, but American influenced social media feminism destroyed the country, since I am without girlfriend I have more mental health, more money and even more religiosity, the entire law of Brazil is made to protect criminals and women because we had a dictatorship backed by USA in the Cold War that tortured and killed dissenters, when the New Republic came the left-wingers created a trauma and put a lot of rights of defense, the forbidding of death sentence (except when spying for another country our on war flee from military duty, very specific things) and life prison, human treatments of prisons and a fair trial were except if the criminal is extremely dangerous he may even answer in freedom until the last judgement, progression of regime is mandatory. I am not a "law and order" dude in real life but this created a certainty of impunity or light jail sentences that put our country with the highest crime rates, mix this with social problems and extreme corruption and you have extreme crime in ALL SOCIAL CLASSES of the country, from the poor to the millionaire. Our progressive people (mostly academicians) wants to puppet the criminal, our conservative people (mostly reactionary) wants to just brutalize them and think only about poor people crime. There is a good quote to describe our country to foreign people. "Brazil is not for beginners." Or you know how to play here or you will be crushed, backstabbed, poisoned, betrayed, killed or put into extreme famine in your first mistake, there is few people to trust, your only reliable allies is God and if you are lucky your parents, the rest just want power, money or to exploit you. The TRUE Brazilian anthem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeMFqkcPYcg |
The Star Kingdom of Prudentias I like to see the number of the issue to know about new problems, the first numbers were far to the 00's, generally dealing with invading countries, religion (Violetist) and LGBT things, the issue 1000 to now it have social media problems and complex economics, I decided a issue about Uber where I choose to spread public transport. I perceive an interesting thing, the libertarian options became unpopular or less attractive with time, it's interesting how libertarianism became unpopular, I was myself an Ayn Rand fanboy and had an libertarian "Corporate Bordello" country when I was a teenager. Probably the ex-libertarians drop libertarianism mostly by the same reasons as me: 1. They probably saw that the free market is not free at all, and you don't became a communist by admitting it. 2. They perceived the radical individualism results on social media, everybody making a competition for status that don't add anything to society or them, in fact it just made everybody more idiotic. And studying philosophy it is easy how to debunk Ayn Rand. Ayn Rand: My thinking is based on Aristotle, and I am an individualist that defends that being selfish is a moral act. Aristotle: Man is a social animal and despite being an individual can't be happy without the polis and good politics is about trying to do the good for everybody and not for a single person, a group or the mobs at all. |
The Counter Reformation of Oire Despite have been in this place since it's first year (I think) the game aspect has never really appealed. It's more a nice site to find groups interested in the same things. And to rant incessantly about Protestants. |
The Counter Reformation of Oire https://wearorange.org/ Wear orange clothes to protest guns. And instantly I've become a gun nut. |
The Star Kingdom of Prudentias https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/251436/us-embassy-to-vatican-again-flies-pride-flag-as-biden-administration-backs-lgbtqia-plus-advocacy "“Today, the rights of LGBTQI+ Americans are under relentless attack,” Biden said, adding, “An onslaught of dangerous anti-LGBTQI+ legislation has been introduced and passed in States across the country, targeting transgender children and their parents and interfering with their access to health care.” The kids don't have enough intelligence to vote, to drink alcohol, to make sexual intercourse with another person or even know how to make it but they have intelligence to choose their own gender, prevent sexual organs that may interfere with hormonal development to grow and to have hormonal treatment with heavy chemicals that they may repent later. It's more ridiculous than my country where a 16 to 18 years old teenager are considered not capable to do crime so they can't be imprisoned for any criminal act, but they have intelligence vote on all elections and to know when make sex. Children have intelligence only when it's convenient to the rainbow people. Oire and Saint Constable |
The Star Kingdom of Prudentias Ok, and now about Russian war o Ukraine, yes, the internal polemic! I will take a more prudent approach this time. Well in fact I will partly use the realistic school of foreign relations and the clash of civilizations. 1. The main actors. Russia, Ukraine, Europe and USA. Russia claimed that two regions wanted to became independent from Ukraine and the Ukrainian government were making systematic violence against them and Russian people inside it's territory, trying to justify the war with this argument. Ukraine is in fact a poor country that since the end of USSR adopted post-modern western values, developing a democracy with high levels of corruption and it's constantly at odds with Russia, having delivered nuclear missiles in exchange for don't be invaded, the country made a deal giving the control of Crimea to Russia while still being considered Ukrainian territory, this deal was broken later with annexation of Crimea, the country argue the Russian invasion is in fact an war to reconquer it's territory, all of it. Europe, or at least EU, agree with Ukraine argument and spread it's Post-Modern western values over there, welcoming millions of refugees on it's working force with a bliss that we never watched when the refugees were of crescent moon people. USA accept Ukrainian argument and use this opportunity to reenact NATO, something Trump wanted to to unsuccessfully, but Biden is getting far more easily, the Alliance was coming almost to an end and now rebirth with the possibility of USA military expansion becoming true with new members weapons and bases being installed on eastern Europe and even the Baltic countries, countries with considerable neutrality strenght such as Sweden and Finland now are considering joining the Western Military alliance. Where all sides have a point: Russia - Ukraine is the gateway to Europe, and to Russia, the western expansion into Ukraine in joining NATO go so far, the West is basically removing all it's influence area from them, and Kiev is considered one of the places where Russia begun, Crimea was a Turkish possession that was taken by Catherine the Great, Ukraine is not like the other territorial conquests of Russia, it's considered a little Russia to them. Ukraine - Most Ukrainians were somewhat descendants of cossacks, the pirate of the land, and despite having a crucial role on the building of the Russian Empire and being the main food supplier to USSR, it's a different people, with a different culture that was suppressed during soviet period, they never annoyed Russia very much and give all nuclear arsenal back to Russia when became independent, they probably don't want to join NATO to bully Russia but to don't be bullied by them due to recent Russian interference on Georgia. EU- Russia may have territorial intentions beyond even Ukraine, we are talking about Eastern Europe that was mostly under Russian influence or territorial control in the past, and Ukraine is far more a liberal democracy, even being corrupt and poor, than a Little Russia, EU believes that if Russia conquers Ukraine soon it will claim other little areas nearby that are not NATO parts, getting a powerful Russia nearby and they already have to deal with Kaliningrad, it's obvious that it's on their interest to stay with Ukraine. USA - Considering a realistic visions Russian wars defy American sphere of influence, Russia was considered a weak country and not a problem at all until Putin arrives, the invasion of Ukraine reveal Russian confidence and defy of American military control of Eastern Europe by NATO, this weakens USA position in the entire globe, if Russia gains power, USA enemies may become far more confident to claim even absurd things, they need to deal with the total defeat on the War of Afghanistan that they need to fled on shame on scenes that were not more famous today because it was covered by de pandemics. If Russia gets Ukraine, or as Russian government claim, to liberate separatist provinces, countries with open territorial expansion may become more confident, it's the case for China claim of almost all Oceania seas and Taiwan and Iranian possibility of building of nuclear weapons, Iran may claim Iraq because of the cultural identity, both are Shia nations and were part of the Persian Empire. Just to complete the disaster, US allies may feel that American protection are not trustable at all and may go to Russia and China to have military and economical partnership, that's why USA is so concerned about this. Ok, now it's this, the next post will be about "where all sides are wrong", with the hypocrisy of each part of the war. Everybody is free to comment or criticize what I wrote. |
The Holy Protectorate of Saint Constable Coup being prepared against Bolsonaro |
The Holy Protectorate of Saint Constable Now we're talking! Wrong wrong wrong. 1. There were no problems between Russia and Ukraine until 2014. Indeed, Russia maintained, at its own expense, several industrial cooperation agreements with Ukraine and provided it with cheaper than market natural gas. 2. The Budapest Memorandum was indeed broken by Russia ...AFTER Ukraine violated several agreements with Moscow .. 3. Ukraine made no deal whatsoever regarding Crimea. Russia annexed it and Kiev never accepted the reunification. Only west Ukraine. The rest of it was always russophone. Georgia, as I have previously mentioned, started that war. Russia has not been making aggressive moves towards its neighbours. As for Ukraine, its leadership is in Western pockets so there is no independent Ukrainian will. Russia has never expressed expansionist views. Ukraine was NEVER in the western sphere of influence. How when none of the post soviet space was ever US sphere of influence?!...... Does it? How? What you are expressing is the extremist neocon doctrine of the 'Domino Theory'. Go look at how it was applied to Vietnam and how it is not realistic. The world is run by objective interests and capabilities, not impressions and perception. |
The Counter Reformation of Oire All hail the judiciary. |
The Holy Protectorate of Saint Constable And this is why the views of Prudentias's Law circles are not reliable. The judiciary in the West has been widely subverted. They are a political entity as is the deep state |
The Star Kingdom of Prudentias My friend we are not the only Brazilians here, you need to explain our current issues. The problem with Bolsonaro is if he will make a coup or receive a coup, any other thing about him beyond that is irrelevant. |
The Star Kingdom of Prudentias Our Supreme Court is a joke, the chosen people on it don't even need to have a law degree, it's appointed by the president. The imprisoned and released Lula, the ex-socialist president according to political convenience. They helped and restricted the right-wingers like Bolsonaro according to their political views too, they are mostly loyal to the party of the president who lead them to power. The problem is that Bolsonaro sons and some of his supporters basically defended killing all of them, sometimes there was real threat of people invading out Supreme Court equivalent, it was almost invaded by the socialists when they don't released Lula from Jail and almost invaded by "Bolsonarists" when they clearly made decisions preventing the president from acting. There is people that really want Bolsonaro or Lula as a dictator believing they are somewhat a savior of the country. |
The Star Kingdom of Prudentias I never said our Supreme Court is not corrupted, well in fact I said that is corrupt for both sides of the political polarization working according to it's own agenda. The problem is that Bolsonarists insists that they were corrupted only against Bolsonaro and the socialists that it was corrupted only against Lula. Socialists when Supreme Court don't released Lula: The Supreme Court is corrupt and is making a coup. Socialists when Supreme Court released Lula to put Bolsonaro out of power: The Supreme Court is the guardian of the republic! All sides love fake news, confirmation bias is the deadly pandemics on Brazil not COVID and there is no exception at all. I studied the entire magistrate law regulating them for months to an exam, according to the constitution their salary can't EVER be dropped, only raised and it's clear that they made the regulation for themselves don't caring about other people. There is a joke in Brazil about the judiciary: Judges believe they are gods, when they are promoted to chief judges they become certain of it. |
The Star Kingdom of Prudentias Ok, here we go again, I like your style, it's aggressive but not on an evil way, I would like to play chess with you, probably you are the one who likes to be on the charge all the time but without dropping all pieces on a rush style of playing. 1. Yes there was, the Crimea is one of them, Russia never really respected Ukraine sovereignty over it and before the invasion the were there due to a pact that allowed them to control the territory basically in exchange of still considering it Ukrainian. We must go back to Kievan Rus to understand the problem, the capitol, as the name say, and main city was Kiev for centuries, the problem is that Novgorod separated itself later and a mongol invasion fragmented the kingdom, Kiev became part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, after that a Cossack Kingdom that was vassal of the Ottoman Empire. Kiev in fact became a separate and independent area during Rise of Moscow, when the actual city, a kingdom on that era, rised to power and developed into Tsardom of Russia that conquered the region again and was incorporated into the Russian Empire, the area was mostly contested by the Poles and Ottomans, and for a brief period of time became an independent socialist republic, after the Russian Revolution it was a separate entity from the Russian Republic during a civil war period and was annexed after losing a failed independence war against Soviet Union, became independent again, in a treaty they give the nuclear arsenal in their country in exchange of Russia don't invading the country. There was identity problems since the beginning, when we study Russia we must remember that they where little kingdoms and republics that have unstable unity and became part of different identities. The problem is that to Russia, Kiev was basically the beginning of Russia, "Little Russia" is one of the nicknames given to Ukraine, Russia feels that Ukrainians are Russians, but not all Ukrainians feels that they are Russians, the recognition of the Little Russia as something that is not Russia is something unthinkable for the Russians, here is where the true problem begun, it's not all about economy. It is the foreign powers such as the Western Nations as always became only to add a mess to take advantage of a situation, they westernized the country, what made Russia even bitter and both sides are warlike. The question here is if Ukrainians are Russians, and the problem is that both sides have point. Russia was always an expansionist power, ALWAYS, Karelia was Swedish, Ukraine was taken from Poles and Ottomans, even parts of China were taken by Russia, they are successful land imperialists, they even had their own "land pirates", the Cossacks, they are in land what the British Empire was on water, they tried to conquer Finland, divided Poland with Nazi Germany and had half of Europe in his power and a good part of Caucasus area that were inhabited by other non-Russian people, with Putin they just take territory claiming that a country is disrespecting supposed Russian people or that a people wants to secession from other country, they invade the country claiming that they are defending russian people from human rights abuse or liberating the separatists from the other country and after this they take the separatist region annexing it into the Russian Federation, expanding territory, I must admit that they are really intelligent. About the war on Georgia, there was two separatist republics, South Ossetia and Abkhazia that was not recognized internationally, except by Russia with the clear intention of taking the territory, they begun skirmishes against Tbilisi and the Georgian defended themselves, the separatists begun the war and Russia in a clever act of opportunism interfered claiming that in the counter-attack their "peacekeeping forces" on the separatist areas were attacked by Georgia. A referendum will be made in July 22, 2022 in South Ossetia to join Russian Federation and Abkhazia already express the will to do it later, both countries have Russian troops inside it being de facto Russia puppets. About the gas agreement, Ukraine have the second biggest reserves to Europe after Russia, it was more about Russia controlling their own gas market, they don't did it in good faith because they know that Russian gas is a card that can be used against Europe, having these agreements with Ukraine prevents Europe from trying a reliable alternative. 2. The Budapest Memorandum was just a fake promise for Russia to have it's nukes back and buy time to get strong again and conquer the country against later without this country having a nuke defense capability, it is like the "deal" with Crimea, Ukraine have no choice at all to choose, the Westerners as always acted in their typical extreme naivete about this, there was never a true peace and respect for Ukrainian territorial integrity at all since the beginning, to Russia the entire area is culturally and historically just part of Russia. 3. Crimea was never respected as de facto Ukrainian territory since the beginning, they pretend that they recognized de jure Crimea as Ukrainian just to make the same thing, take separatist people, claim that there is abuse of Russian and other people in the region, move troopes to "liberate" the people helping the separatist and after this annex the territory into Russian Federation, they just expected to get strong again and go imperialist, this is the same modus operandi in Georgia, the annexation of Crimea was just the explicit declaration of what Russia imperialist thinking pattern had about it already. Being russophone make a region part of Russia? We must remember that historically the Russian Empire and USSR made a russification of the country suppressing Ukrainian culture, they even had their own alphabet, following that logic some regions of Netherlands, Switzerland and Belgium must be part of Germany, France and Italy. Ukraine is currently an western country, let's go, liberal democracy, feminism, freedom of religion, LGBT rights, hipergamy, prone to join EU and NATO, secularization growing and part of the people putting themselves more as European in the European Union sense than Russian, and let's not forget the secularization of the country, their culture, economy and diplomacy are turned to the West, of course Russia hates this too, this time with reason after all. If this is not a country into the western sphere of influence I don't know what is at all. You need to remember that the West rely on hard AND soft power too, conquering the country by soft power, Russia rely far more into hard power. It is not me that believe in Domino Theory, actually ironically it is Russia that is believing on it! What Russia do when a nearby country partially westernize? They act against it. They use this theory against Turkey too when dealing with Turkic people in other countries, it is Russia that believe that a westernization may cause a chain reaction that will put the rest of the countries around western sphere of influence too. Russia is the new neocon friend not me. Russia needs to stop this war, we don't need another active imperialist player out there, we already have USA and China to do this work for the planet. "The world is run by objective interests and capabilities, not impressions and perception." I agree with the first but the later depends, what is the concept of "impression" an "perception" being used there? Well depending of what concept or sort of the concepts you are using, or you are totally right or you are totally wrong. Just to remember, I am not siding with any side of the war, all sides are dirty politics doing usual power playing game and this is disgusting to me, well, most people involved in high politics are psychopathic minds anyway. May God bless you and you family too my friend, thank you. |
The Counter Reformation of Oire This month ten years ago the representation of Protestantism on the football field went into liquidation and died. |