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Drekka

New hayesalia wrote:Short post though :P

Long story short for a short post, I got tired of fighting against my phone's OS and just wanted to post something that would summarize my participation and current IC whereabouts/involvement. While I do intend to re type everything, you are free to post Radio exchange if the fleet was detected by your forces (30/40 % chance at current range)

Zellatia wrote:I retract the thought of "we don't need help"
Zellatia would appreciate condemnation against New Hayesalia.

You'll be just fine, bb. Just ride the tiger.

The Democratic Empire of Zellatia

Riding the tiger sounds like a terrifying experience.

Nachmere

in case someone is interested, a DMR:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=354499

New hayesalia

I fed a live chicken to a siberian tiger once

China is a weird place

The Princess Paradise of Jeruselem

I'm not surprised!

The Democratic Empire of Zellatia

Guys, next month I'm going to start an election thread for my nation. I want you guys to vote, if you have time, for parties in the election. I want this to be interesting, so I want to involve Greater Prussia in this.

Rejistania

Oooh, is your political system as complicated as the rejistanian one? ;)

The Free Kingdom of Allanea

The only naqtion with more complex politics is Chronosia.

The Democratic Empire of Zellatia

Rejistania wrote:Oooh, is your political system as complicated as the rejistanian one? ;)

It's technically parliamentary, but in practice the Emperor is still on top of the pile and can't be removed until death, upon which an Emperor is elected. I'm interested in hearing how complex the Rejistanian one is, though.

The Democratic Empire of Zellatia

Okay Rejistania, I've taken a look at your governance system and am appalled at how non functional it would be in real life, like wow. Talk about map hell. I mean, it makes sense , but it seems unwieldy and only works if you have a unitary gov by the looks of things. This is despite a similar history of once being several smaller nations.

The Free Kingdom of Allanea

Note: Lubyak's membership in GPE has been utterly retconned due to his choice to retcon his history with several GPE members. I will remove him from the map somewhere next week, when I update the map.

New hayesalia

:/

Rejistania

Zellatia wrote:Okay Rejistania, I've taken a look at your governance system and am appalled at how non functional it would be in real life, like wow. Talk about map hell. I mean, it makes sense , but it seems unwieldy and only works if you have a unitary gov by the looks of things. This is despite a similar history of once being several smaller nations.

The government is federal, and tricameral: There is the country (tani), the 16 nanti (states), and the 1024 rekijo (regions). Each Nanti has its own Naiken Lentine (parliament), and each Naiken Lentine sends a representative into the rejistanian equivalent of the Senate of the Nanti (Naiken Lentine Nanti). Similar for the Rekijo, except that their senate is called the Naiken Lentine Rekijo. The equivalent of the House or Bundestag is the Naiken Lentine Tani (BTW: Naiken Lentine means representative meeting-together). The Naiken Lentine Tani, as well as the Naiken Lentine Rekijo and the Naiken Lentine Nanti elect a representative the Lentine Mje'he [Tani|Rekijo|Nanti]. These share the position of head of state/head of government.

Federal laws are created based on what under all the fluff and special cases is a simple-ish system:
1) Introduction by the Lentine Mje'he Tani.
2) 1st reading in the Naiken Lentine Tani, followed by a vote
3) If it gets through a simple majority: reading in the Naiken Lentine Rekijo, followed by a vote
4) If it gets through a simple majority: reading in the Naiken Lentine Nanti, followed by a vote
5) If it gets through a simple majority: 2nd reading in the Naiken Lentine Tani, followed by a vote
6) If it gets through a simple majority: possible veto by 2 out of 3 Lentine Mje'he or by popular action.

The Democratic Empire of Zellatia

Rejistania wrote:The government is federal, and tricameral: There is the country (tani), the 16 nanti (states), and the 1024 rekijo (regions). Each Nanti has its own Naiken Lentine (parliament), and each Naiken Lentine sends a representative into the rejistanian equivalent of the Senate of the Nanti (Naiken Lentine Nanti). Similar for the Rekijo, except that their senate is called the Naiken Lentine Rekijo. The equivalent of the House or Bundestag is the Naiken Lentine Tani (BTW: Naiken Lentine means representative meeting-together). The Naiken Lentine Tani, as well as the Naiken Lentine Rekijo and the Naiken Lentine Nanti elect a representative the Lentine Mje'he [Tani|Rekijo|Nanti]. These share the position of head of state/head of government.
Federal laws are created based on what under all the fluff and special cases is a simple-ish system:
1) Introduction by the Lentine Mje'he Tani.
2) 1st reading in the Naiken Lentine Tani, followed by a vote
3) If it gets through a simple majority: reading in the Naiken Lentine Rekijo, followed by a vote
4) If it gets through a simple majority: reading in the Naiken Lentine Nanti, followed by a vote
5) If it gets through a simple majority: 2nd reading in the Naiken Lentine Tani, followed by a vote
6) If it gets through a simple majority: possible veto by 2 out of 3 Lentine Mje'he or by popular action.

My statement towards the unwieldy nature of your nation stands. As a person with a political science degree, your nation's political system is a headache. I understand it, but yowch.

The Democratic Empire of Zellatia

Also, does anyone want to help me make a precinct map for my election coming up, if they can?

Rejistania

Zellatia wrote:My statement towards the unwieldy nature of your nation stands. As a person with a political science degree, your nation's political system is a headache. I understand it, but yowch.

What is so particular yowch about it? Or let's say it differently: What makes it so yowch *before* I explained the Hani system? ;)

Post self-deleted by Zellatia.

The Democratic Empire of Zellatia

Rejistania wrote:What is so particular yowch about it? Or let's say it differently: What makes it so yowch *before* I explained the Hani system? ;)

Most systems have at maximum a bicameral system because its easier to understand. While you did explain that it is federal, Federalism is predicated, if my memory is correct, on distinct boundaries. No Federal system works the way yours does because it has conflicting borders. While it could potentially still work, there's the whole thing about needing to vote three times. Or rather, voting for three different legislative groups that could potentially have overlapping candidates, confused voters, and issues counting things correctly due to people either forgetting to vote for one group, people accidentally voting for the wrong thing, and the overall headache. Most political scholars have a headache with both the Japanese and German systems in real life as it is, and you have 1 at-large district for the whole nation, indistinct state boundaries for the first level of subdivisions, and over a thousand jurisdictions that belong in a variety of states...how the heck does anyone even know what district they are in unless they are paying attention most of the time? I get it that maybe the local boundaries will be easy, but the mid-level is just going to be horrible for a large portion of your population. It's still really interesting though.

New hayesalia

New Hayesalia is tricameral (y)

The Democratic Empire of Zellatia

New hayesalia wrote:New Hayesalia is tricameral (y)

Does it also have similar boundary issues?

New hayesalia

Not really. House of Representatives and Senate are as normal. The third house is the lowest, being a 1000 seat Citizen's Assembly. It's a randomly chosen sample of 1,000 eligible New Hayesalians. From newhayesalia.weebly.com :

The Citizen's Assembly has 1000 seats, with Citizens required to serve for 6 months. The Citizens are not elected, instead, they are randomly chosen from the national electoral roll upon which all New Hayesalians are mandated to enroll. An independent Marshal, who oversees administration of the Assembly, selected by the Government for a term of four years - although there is scope for biased Marshals to be removed from office. The New Hayesalian Bureau of Census will advise on if the proposed 1,000 Assembly Members are not adequately representative of the population, and if not, 1,000 new names will be drawn. Citizens may only be called to the Assembly once, and will be thereafter excluded from further service and excusable from jury duties.

The role of the Citizen's Assembly is to deliberate on issues put forward by Government and opposition members and develop decisions and recommendations for delivery to the House of Representatives. The Citizens Assembly is given objective information compiled in Bills Digests and from submissions from 'nominated persons' selected by parliamentary parties.

Each party with a parliamentary caucus in the House and/or Senate, as well as independent senators and MPs, are permitted to nominate a person to give an explanation of their party policy on issues being discussed in the Citizen's Assembly. These explanations are styled in the form of speeches or lectures, and right of reply is not given to other nominated persons. Deliberation will then take place amongst members of the Assembly. The recommendation of the Citizens Assembly on each discussed issue is regarded as a clear reflection of informed community expectations. When the majority of the assembly, but not over 50%, agree on an outcome it is regarded as a gesture. When a majority agree on an outcome with more than 50%, though less than 75%, it takes the form as a proposal. When the majority of the Assembly, between 75% and 90% agree on an outcome, it takes the form of a urgent proposal. When more than 90% of the Assembly agrees on an issue, the issue must be developed into a plebiscite question, subject to constitutionality checks by the High Court. A majority vote of over 90% means that the issue must be developed into a binding plebiscite question.

New hayesalia

95%

New hayesalia

Working under the GP scale (1 pixel being 30 square KM), New Hayesalia is 384 million square kilometres in size, and that's not including water. Russia is 6.6 million.

Consider though, in that, Piltomana has 1.27 billion people and is one of the largest provinces, you can see how NH is good at agriculture and aviation.

It may make IC sense, considering the Jupiteresque size of nationstates and NH's status as a former supranational union of states.

The Free Kingdom of Allanea

http://m.tucson.com/news/business/article_aff67d37-d31c-5eaf-a331-a1987b3bda21.html?id=201408&sf13439233=1&mobile_touch=true

Drekka

New hayesalia wrote:Working under the GP scale (1 pixel being 30 square KM), New Hayesalia is 384 million square kilometres in size, and that's not including water. Russia is 6.6 million.
Consider though, in that, Piltomana has 1.27 billion people and is one of the largest provinces, you can see how NH is good at agriculture and aviation.
It may make IC sense, considering the Jupiteresque size of nationstates and NH's status as a former supranational union of states.

Well ****.....may have to add another "0" or two to the canon population size

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