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Kanatia

Wait did i just make a nation wrote:another day
another...
law that will...
make poeple happy...
eh
A LAW THAT WILL CRIPPLE POEPLE INTO INSANITY

NationStates issues summed up basically

Wait did i just make a nation

Kanatia wrote:NationStates issues summed up basically

yeah in my alt nation my political rights fell from excelent to some in 0.001 seconds by wanting kids fanmails in the news

New doge-land

Kanatia

New doge-land wrote:Hello

Hi! Welcome to the region.

Cavin

I have been on NationStates before, but it was years ago. Nice to be back! This seems like a good region (I've been looking for a place with ideological diversity). Glad to be here!

Union of Dimonian Socialist Republics, Kanatia, and New doge-land

Cavin

As far as the regional poll, I'm not sure how to answer (I answered far-left). Even though my economic views trend well to the left of center, my social views are center to center-right. I wouldn't call that "moderate" but it would also be hard to describe me as someone on the far-left because I'm a democratic socialist or a social-democrat, not a revolutionary. I flirt a lot with Christian democracy, communitarianism, and other somewhat conservative world views. I tend to think of my politics as a kind of fusion between conservatism and socialism but situated within a liberal-democratic context.

Union of Dimonian Socialist Republics, Kanatia, and New doge-land

Kanatia

Cavin wrote:I have been on NationStates before, but it was years ago. Nice to be back! This seems like a good region (I've been looking for a place with ideological diversity). Glad to be here!

We're happy to have you! Pop in to our discord server if you'd like and meet the pals.

Cavin wrote:As far as the regional poll, I'm not sure how to answer (I answered far-left). Even though my economic views trend well to the left of center, my social views are center to center-right. I wouldn't call that "moderate" but it would also be hard to describe me as someone on the far-left because I'm a democratic socialist or a social-democrat, not a revolutionary. I flirt a lot with Christian democracy, communitarianism, and other somewhat conservative world views. I tend to think of my politics as a kind of fusion between conservatism and socialism but situated within a liberal-democratic context.

Democratic socialism isn't as far-left as more harcore leftist tendencies such as Marxism-Leninism or Anarcho-Communism, but it's the difference of night and day between that and social democracy. That being said, your dilemma is why linear left-right spectrums do a poor job of reflecting political ideologies, but unfortunately NationStates doesn't allow for a more dynamic poll. Don't focus so much on catch-all terms to summarize your personal ideology; they often ignore the nuance of political ideologies. I happen to fall relatively uniformly on the far-left end of the spectrum, socially and economically speaking. It's important to recognize the separate social, economic, and political aspects of different ideologies such as conservatism. Being socially conservative is different than being fiscally conservative. Communitarianism is also a more flexible ideology and can be paired with both right-wing and even left-wing ideologies. Ever heard of left-wing nationalism? We've got plenty of that in Quebec.

Cavin

Kanatia wrote:We're happy to have you! Pop in to our discord server if you'd like and meet the pals.
Democratic socialism isn't as far-left as more harcore leftist tendencies such as Marxism-Leninism or Anarcho-Communism, but it's the difference of night and day between that and social democracy. That being said, your dilemma is why linear left-right spectrums do a poor job of reflecting political ideologies, but unfortunately NationStates doesn't allow for a more dynamic poll. Don't focus so much on catch-all terms to summarize your personal ideology; they often ignore the nuance of political ideologies. I happen to fall relatively uniformly on the far-left end of the spectrum, socially and economically speaking. It's important to recognize the separate social, economic, and political aspects of different ideologies such as conservatism. Being socially conservative is different than being fiscally conservative. Communitarianism is also a more flexible ideology and can be paired with both right-wing and even left-wing ideologies. Ever heard of left-wing nationalism? We've got plenty of that in Quebec.

Sometimes democratic socialism is considered synonymous with social democracy, while at other times, people use it to mean political democracy coupled full social ownership of the means of production. When I say democratic socialism, I'm usually referring to something resembling postwar social democracy (public ownership in the commanding heights of the economy paired with a large private sector, a generous welfare state, etc.). Many people online, within the DSA in the United States, etc. take a much more radical view of what democratic socialism encompasses, preferring the latter definition mentioned above. That's one of the reasons I have a hard time discussing politics with people in DSA in particular. Even though we may support similar candidates and causes (for example, Bernie Sanders in his campaign for the Democratic nomination), we are doing so on the basis of a very different vision of not only what is practicial but what is desirable for the country.

Communitarianism is a complex political philosophy and can be defined in various ways. Sometimes it's associated with the reaction to and critique of Rawlsian liberalism that was spearheaded by philosophers like Michael Sandel. Sometimes it's synomyous with a mix of social conservatism and economic leftism. At other times, it's been associated with Third Way politics and in that form (supported by political theorists/public policy researchers like Amitai Etzioni), it reached its ideological ascendancy under the Clinton Administration in the U.S. and the Blair Administration in the U.K. I'm interested in communitarianism and in Christian democracy because I like the idea of empowering civil society, strengthening the family (I'm gay-- so my concerns with this extend beyond the "traditional family"), and appealing to a sense of national unity or pride (which you've touched on with your reference to Quebec nationalism). But it's not something I've fully fleshed for out myself, and I think in its radical centrist form, it was often used to rationalize and endorse austerity measures that have actually weakened the social fabric.

Side remark-- even though Quebec nationalism has historically been a left-wing phenomenon, it now seems to be trending in a right-ward direction with the CAQ in government in Quebec. They aren't technically "nationalist" I guess because they only value more "autonomy" and aren't wanting to press for another independence referendum, but it seems that the energy that motivated Quebec nationalism in the past is now going to support more right-wing and xenophobic causes than has previously been the case. I remember reading a remark made by someone online that pequistes (PQ members) were once motley crue of leftist intellectual types and "rednecks" (as in socially conservative, Catholic Quebecois) and that the reason the PQ went into decline is because it couldn't keep those two halves placated. The party lost understanding of its core, rural supporters and now those people back the CAQ.

Cavin

Left-wing nationalism (the kind associated with Boomers and the 1960s generation in Quebec) is now mostly represented by Quebec Solidaire to my understanding? I think I have a few Canadian FB friends who are QS supporters.

Cavin

I'm pretty familiar with left-wing nationalism. When I was in Ireland over the summer, I became well-acquainted with some Sinn Fein members who were lawyers in the solicitors' office where I worked. What's interesting about left-nationalist parties is that they often appeal to an odd demographic (somewhat resembling my own politics) which mixes a degree of social conservatism with economic leftism. I read a study of Irish voters (I'd have to find the link) which showed that Sinn Fein performed the best with voters who mixed those two sets of views. I think that combination-- call it populist, communitarian, etc. is understudied. Understanding it is crucial to understanding why the left continually fails at the ballot box, why far-right parties have become increasingly successful, and so on but because it's not a demographic that's well represented among the educated and political elites, it's often dismissed and ignored.

Kanatia

Cavin

I'll pop in the server either later tonight or tomorrow! Thanks for having me. :)

Kanatia

Cavin wrote:Left-wing nationalism (the kind associated with Boomers and the 1960s generation in Quebec) is now mostly represented by Quebec Solidaire to my understanding? I think I have a few Canadian FB friends who are QS supporters.

The Bloc Quebecois is a federal party and largely represents the interests of left-nationalists in Quebec on the federal level. They've seen a resurgence in support during this year's campaign for the federal election.

Cavin wrote:I'll pop in the server either later tonight or tomorrow! Thanks for having me. :)

No problem! You seem like a very interesting person, we'd love to have you.

The Kingdom of Candanadium

My VPN connection is down again, if I go silent on NS assume that China has blocked the site. I'll stay active on the RMB but I can't say for sure when I can get back on Discord.

Kanatia

Candanadium wrote:My VPN connection is down again, if I go silent on NS assume that China has blocked the site. I'll stay active on the RMB but I can't say for sure when I can get back on Discord.

Daddy Xi knows

Wait did i just make a nation

lets gets this straight
why even care about how people live in a nation lets just conquer the world

Wait did i just make a nation

the irony
im a dictator but im in so called democratika

Arden manzanita

Kanatia

Arden manzanita wrote:Whack

Bang

Arden manzanita

Alayka

Arden manzanita wrote:OWWWEE

Clap

Kanatia

Alayka wrote:Clap

my cheeks

Arden manzanita

Kanatia wrote:my cheeks

;)

Arden manzanita

Ienovo wrote:*snip*

why are you mean?

Alayka

Kanatia wrote:my cheeks

Let Dima do that

Please do not drink bleach idiot

Hello, how are you guys?

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