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The Guy Who's on a Bicycle Trip of El Fiji Grande.
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How to Raid/How to Liberate -- with El Fiji Grande
El Fiji GrandeAlright
So I'm going to assume you know nothing about R/Ding, even though I know you do know quite a bit
Gatito
Teach it to me like I'm 5
El Fiji Grande
I'll do this because it means I won't miss anything that you might not otherwise know
El Fiji Grande
I'll also keep a transcript, so that we can share this discussion with future liberators of the region.
Where to begin...?
Alright. Raiding is when a military force on NS takes over another region. Liberating is when you free said region to hand control back over to the natives.
El Fiji Grande
Tag raiding is when you occupy many different regions with the purpose of branding the WFE of said region with your symbol, as well as a battle cry, and the members that raided the region. You'll also find natives (typically inactive) have been banjected, and posts have been suppressed. Embassies have been closed, and one embassy, with the raiding party's home region will be opened. The regional flag will also typically be changed to the raider's war banner.
El Fiji Grande
There are also long-term occupations, in which raiders will stay in one region for long periods of time. Occupations typically take place in regions where the natives are active. They stay for a while in order to build up enough influence for the occupying WAD to password-lock the region (thus shutting out any defender attempts to free the natives), and then banjecting the locals.
There are several ways in which defenders can stop these moves, or at least delay them, and we'll get to that in more depth later.
I'm assuming everything so far is straight-forward, and you already have experience with?
El Fiji Grande
*relief* good
This will now teach you how raiding works (which is essentially the same as how defenders operate), but we'll cover some specific defender strategies later.
Do you know what update times are, and do you know how they work?
Gatito
Please explain them for the readers. I'm planning on including this in an intro factbook for new people to the Legion.
El Fiji Grande
Update times - NS updates all of its nations and regions twice per day. Once at noon EST and again at midnight EST. However, not all regions and nations are updated at once. The update actually takes place from (and this may have changed a bit, but is typically from) 12 noon EST to 1:00 pm EST, and secondly from 12 midnight EST to 1:00 am EST. There is, of course, some variability in the times, and as such, organized parties are sure to arrive early and stay late, for the entirety of update times while raiding (and defending)
El Fiji Grande
An update is when endorsements are counted (and a new WAD is elected if the votes on one nation exceed those of the prior delegate), nation legislation is passed, new issues arrive, and a "new day" begins.
Raiding and defending take place during update times, because it is then that the delegacy can switch hands, and control of a region is transferred.
El Fiji Grande
So a very small example of how a raider would operate is the following (in brief): Say they want to occupy a region that has two nations, and the region has an inactive founder, and the WAD is executive. Three raiders would gather, two of them would endorse the third, all three would move to the region, the update would occur, and then, since the raiders have a nation with two endorsements, and the natives have a current delegate with just one endorsement, the second the update occurs, the raider would be elected as the new WAD of the region, and could proceed to do raider-type things to said region.
I'm assuming that's essentially the style of operation that has so far been done (except that we're defenders), in the INWU, Gatito?
Gatito
Yes.
Sometimes with more or less people.
El Fiji Grande
Naturally. That was just one specific example.
Gatito
Are there multiple updates that happen within the hour?
El Fiji Grande
However, I'd like to say that as I move on, that that method is horribly inefficient, and I will explain why.
There are not multiple updates, as each region only updates once within the update period (one hour), but each region updates at slightly different times.
El Fiji Grande
There are close to 19,000 regions and over 136,000 nations currently residing on NS. As such, it's practically impossible for them to all update at noon, or at midnight, and as such, one region (and all of its occupants) might update at 12:01, and another at 12:01:05, and another at 12:02, and another at 12:02:05, and another at 12:02:30, and another..... and another at 12:59:59, if you get what I mean.
El Fiji Grande
Before I move on, I should state that I learned everything I know about raiding from raiding. As in, I went out, joined TBR (with a puppet), and helped them raid regions. I did this because I had to learn at some point, and that was the best way - to Learn By Doing. But I also knew that many of the regions I helped raid were completely inactive, and would have been raided anyway. I have no regrets for doing so, as I can now devote my energies to defender operations (though with less success), and have taught many up-and-coming nations about NS works in detail.
You already know that, but - for the audience.
So I will make the claim that the most regions that I have helped raid in one update is 51. (Not just one per update). 51 is rather impressive if I may say so myself. That's just under one region raided per minute.
The average raiding mission typically hits about that many, but only successfully raids a little fewer. I'd say the average is around 40 regions per update. That statistic is a bit outdated though.
I will now explain how this is possible.
There is a loophole that exists (and mods know about it, and accept it) that allows a given nation to -legally- have multiple WA accounts.
In order to raid (or defend), you have to be a WA member, because it is your endorsement (or simply 'endo') that matters.
By NS rules, you're strictly only allowed to have one WA membered nation in your possession at any given time.
But the NS rules say nothing to the effect that it is illegal to have different nations of yours with WA access at different times of the day.
El Fiji Grande
So for example, Gatito - you're currently a WA member. Let's say you want to go on a mission to help defend one of our allies. All you have to do is resign from the WA yourself, apply and join with a puppet, and that's all perfectly legal, right? You didn't have more than one WA member at any given time.
El Fiji Grande
(That doesn't really work when you're delegate of the region, because then you wouldn't be delegate anymore, but.... the general case stands)
Well, the principle that I described in the example above is essentially how efficient raiding works.
El Fiji Grande
You get yourself a ton of puppets. Say, 45 puppets. You then do a ton of stuff to each of them. Firstly, on each, you APPLY to (NOT JOIN) the WA. You can then also change your puppet flag to be your party's banner, change your motto, add yourself to the NS++ puppet switcher tab (you know what I mean by that, right?) block any recruitment TGs, set the email on each one to the same email address, answer a few issues (which is helpful later), and so on.
You're allowed to have multiple nations applied to the WA, so long as multiple are not members of the WA at any given time.
This is how raiding works, so from here on out I will describe my experiences with how TBR did things.
Gatito
(TBR stands for The Black Riders. They were an old raider group who was disbanded after their leader was banned. Since then there's been multiple revival movements, however the majority of their members have relocated to another group called DEN)
El Fiji Grande
TBR had a special script that allows you to very quickly create new puppets, by automatically generating a name, motto, national animal and currency, filling in your email address, and randomly generating your answers to the set of eight starting issues in order to create a new nation, and checks the box that says you've read the terms and conditions. All you have to do is hit two buttons each time. I'm pretty sure I still have the script somewhere, and if not, Topsail may still have a copy.
El Fiji Grande
You have to be very careful with the use of scripts, because depending on how often they call on NS API and the type of requests they make (what they do), you can be banned from NS permanently. That happened with TBR, which resulted in their disbanding as Gatito mentioned at which point they went over to DEN. Same group. Their leader, and another nation, Bob Moran (my raiding mentor) were banned. I do not believe the puppet-generator script is illegal.
Gatito
If I remember correctly, TBR's leader was banned for using an illegal recruitment script.
El Fiji Grande
You would have to check that each of the .. 45 puppets in this example - are added into the NS++ puppet switcher. That allows you to switch between nations with the click of a link, instead of having to type in (and remember) each puppet name and password independently.
Each of the puppets typically has the same password though.
Ah, that was it - illegal recruitment. Yeah, we should be fine then.
They did a lot of that.
Gatito
And that's how they got so powerful - they lured new players to the promise of power and rising through a militaristic chain of command.
El Fiji Grande
What TBR then did was move each of their puppets to Nugut (which still exists.) It's a late-updating region. NS++ can be used to help predict the update times of regions (but it should be noted that it is typically very inaccurate)
El Fiji Grande
DEN actually sent me one such TG today actually. I keep my recruitment TGs option open on receive all, because I wanted to build a collection of recruitment TGs such that I could more effectively write my own. It also means I catch the TBR and DEN TGs.
El Fiji Grande
-wait one sec-
El Fiji Grande
alright
You still on?
El Fiji Grande
Where was I?
Alright.
TBR(now defunct) sent each puppet to Nugut. This was a late-updating region.
Late-updating regions are very important to both defending and raiding.
NS updates each region sequentially, and each nation within each region when the region is updated.
Once each nation is updated, their endorsement vote doesn't count until the next update.
El Fiji Grande
As such, if your defender operation is headquartered out of region that updates at 12:01, any puppet nations you have stored in there won't be able to liberate regions after 12:01.
El Fiji Grande
Basically, say region one has 30 residents, region 2 has 60 residents, and region 3 has 45 residents, and the regions update in that order. If your raider operation is operated out of region one, and region one has already updated, you cannot then move to region 2 or 3, because when those update, your nation has already updated and won't update a second time in the same update period. Those votes will only get counted a full 12 hours later, at which point, natives, if active, could have already spotted and banjected them. They will also interfere with the rest of your plans because you have to resign from the WA with each of them before continuing your raiding operation.
El Fiji Grande
However, if your raider operation is out of region 3, as long as the update is still going, and region 3 hasn't updated, you don't have to worry about update times. You just have to make sure your target region hasn't updated. So let's say you're in region 3, and region 1 but not region 2 has updated. You could still move to region 2 and capture the region.
At the end of the explanation, I'll go through a very detailed example to show exactly how it works.
Any questions so far?
El Fiji Grande
The other way I could just do this, is invite you on a defender mission, and just ask you just to follow orders. But we don't exactly have that luxury, because you need to stay a WA member to assume the delegacy in a few days.
El Fiji Grande
Any questions so far?
El Fiji Grande
Alright.
So from here on out, the set-up is mostly complete.
All you have to do next is collect a list of targets that are within your endorsement range, and sort them by endorsement time.
El Fiji Grande
Say you have five members in your raiding party - you can raid regions with executive delegates that have a max endorsement count of 3. That's because your lead raider ('point') will have 4 endorsements, and that number needs to be higher than whatever the target WAD has.
The hard part is getting endorsement times, and is the reason why ultimately, I think the defender cause is hopeless in tag liberating.
Gatito
Such is why the game is geared toward the raiders' favor. And the moderators being their cheerleaders doesn't help either.
El Fiji Grande
The way in which defenders get update times is through using NS++, which projects update times in bold (at least, it used to) above the WFE of a given region. That is rather imprecise. Another way is through an online tool called Pipes, which is hard to find and harder to use. The third is the slow way, in which you send a nation into the region in advance with issues answered, and watch to see exactly when it updates. You record the update time as precisely as possible, and hope that it doesn't change much by the time you want to liberate said region, but, invariably, it does, because regional update times change a little bit each time. That 'wiggle' if you will, throws off many an otherwise well planned defender mission.
El Fiji Grande
Raiders - specifically TBR - on the other hand, make use of a special script that collects the exact update times of regions in NS. I'm not sure exactly how it works, but I think I have a few ideas from a programming perspective. This script, which they call the "charts," if I recall correctly, predicts regional update times to an accuracy within maybe a second at most. Compare that with NS++, which predicts regional update times to an accuracy of within about +/- 3 minutes, you get to see why raiders have such a large advantage when it comes to tag raiding.
Update times are extremely valuable, because it is they that determine what success rate (and how many) regions you can raid in a given update.
El Fiji Grande
If you know with NS++ the accuracy to +/- 3 minutes, you can raid, if everything else goes perfectly, on average, six regions. If know with some script the accuracy of regional update times to the matter of seconds, the only limitation on how many regions you can raid in an update-hour is just how fast you can switch and jump. That is, I'd say, roughly one per minute. That's why the 51 number in one update I quoted is so impressive, even to raiders.
*sorry, not six regions, 10 regions. One every six minutes.
El Fiji Grande
As such, raiders can be as much as six times as effective as defenders, but since they are highly trained, skilled, and practiced, as well as having a high degree of motivation and discipline, (things that defenders don't typically have), raiders are usually more like an order of magnitude to 20 times as effective as defenders.
El Fiji Grande
So we're outmatched, outgunned, and outsmarted when it comes to tag R/Ding. But I'll explain how it works anyway, and then detail defender strategies against these tactics, as well as how raiders deal with larger occupations.
Any questions?
El Fiji Grande
No questions?
Gatito
And now I see why 
Albiorix was so opposed to my strategy of "tag defending", of which I knew little of.
And you may continue.
El Fiji Grande
Alright.
It's also why I was originally so against the Freeman's Legion, as I thought it would distract our nations and divert our regional resources.
It's hard, and typically depressingly unsuccessful for both defenders, and other raiders wishing to challenge TBR's (now DEN's) raider empire.
To continue:
I will now define a few terms which are quite important to how raiding works.
Fendas - slang term for defenders
Point - the guy who leads a mission - he is endorsed by everyone else and will become the new WAD of a region if the raid is successful.
-hold on-
roommate just came in and flew a mini drone over my head
okay. he's gone.
So we have fendas, we have point.
One typically calls out point when you're ready, if you're the first guy who's ready. Otherwise you just endorse whoever got there first
endo - slang term for endorsement
El Fiji Grande
switch - means that you resign from the WA with your current WA member puppet, go to your email (which is open, ready, and waiting), click the link to join the WA on one of your other puppets who you've already requested join the WA, and then switch to that nation in NS++, such that you are logged on and ready to go with your next nation.
hold - wait until further orders
El Fiji Grande
jump - the order to move between regions
yes. waiting.
Gatito
I've got to eat supper. You can keep listing your information until I get back. It'll all be documented later, anyway.
El Fiji Grande
That's about it, I'll wait until you're back, and go do something in the meantime.
El Fiji Grande
Just tag my name when you're done
That was quick
Just ten minutes
Just some quiche and salad.
El Fiji Grande
I was fine. I was just starting to format what has been said so far into a dispatch
quiche - so good!
back on topic though.
Typically people have more questions
You understand though, why it is necessary to do this explanation live?
Because if you have questions, I can answer them
El Fiji Grande
And because otherwise I have to type this ungodly long dispatch on my own
yes?
Gatito
I planned on having it all in one big telegram
But I think you said that you wanted it on the IRC
El Fiji Grande
I mean, do-able, but you can see that it's pretty long, right?
I did want it on IRC
Alright - moving on
You understand the terminology, right?
So I will now detail an example defender operation.
El Fiji Grande
So in TBR, we used Skype. (only the chat function). IRC works as well, but not something as public as this Kiwi IRC.
I created a fake skype account, and each raider shared details with each other.
All you had to do was show up online about 15 minutes before an operation, and you would be put into a new group for that evening.
There would be one general, who'd have access to the charts, who'd be leading the whole mission.
That would be someone like bob moran, or kknight, or gest
Everyone would then be active constantly for the whole update period.
Each person would cue up the first puppet
someone posts point
"Point! and then links the puppet nation
you click the link, and endorse that puppet
once all endos are placed,
people resume to talking
once the general talks though, everyone stops talking, immediately
point then posts "ready"
when all endos have been made
these endorsements take place in the late-updating region, because if all of those nations then jump, the endorsement will stay in place.
You don't have to endorse the nation who will be the new WAD in the region you're raiding. You can do that in the late-updating region
the late-updating region is called the jump region, I think
then, about one minute to thirty seconds before update, the general posts the target
the general is actually called the marshal, I think
no one does anything though, until seconds before the update, when the marshal posts JUMP!
that's when everyone moves to the target region.
You typically have your cursor hovering over the button to move as you wait for the order
then, the marshal waits. everyone checks to see if the region has updated. this should happen within fifteen seconds, and preferably, almost immediately, as in, within five seconds
if the region does not update immediately, the marshal says HOLD
that means, do nothing as you wait and hope that the region updates
sometimes, the region has already updated, or maybe there was some kind of glitch. At that point, the delegate says "SWITCH"
that means, resign from the WA, and move on to the next puppet to restart the cycle.
If the region IS successfully raided, you do the exact same thing. SWITCH! and repeat
It's just that at the end of an update, you can also go back to that WAD puppet and do everything that raiders do (like suppress posts, change the WFE, remove embassies, banject nations, etc)
But you do those changes after the update. Each puppet will be WAD until the next update, even if they are no longer WA members.
That's tag raiding
Occupations work the same way, except that raiders jump there all at once each and every update.
El Fiji Grande
Some raiders, who don't participate in tag raiding, or if the raiders are expecting a liberation attempt, will move all WAs to the occupied region for the whole update
El Fiji Grande
Larger occupations don't happen as often though
The purpose is to build up enough influence such that a password can be created without showing the passcode to the regional natives.
El Fiji Grande
So how... do defenders block raider campaigns?
There are a few strategies, and it depends on what you like, and what you're good at.
All of them are practically completely ineffective, but some are annoying to raiders
There's tag liberating - going back and liberating each region that raiders have previously raided.
El Fiji Grande
If you can do that within three days - the time it takes to construct one embassy, you can liberate a region without TBR noticing immediately
because that way, the Embassy does not be visibly seen on the TBR WFE
otherwise, you may as well not remove the TBR embassy
El Fiji Grande
There's also trying to do larger liberations - in which multiple defenders come together to endorse one of the original native delegates to try to boost that nation above the raiders
These are really hard to do though, because typically raiders use overwhelming force, and too often defenders are too apathetic
El Fiji Grande
There's also the fact that the raider WAD can start banjecting any liberators that start coming in
the raider WAD typically is exempt from having to do raider tag raids for a while
while the occupation is going on, such that he can watch for fendas
Third strategy: and this is the one that's hardest to do, but is also something that is most annoying to the raiders
In this strategy, everyone is in a jumper region, endorses one point, and the point watches the NS activity page
he watches for groups of regions moving from known raider jump points to other regions. He then jumps to that target region
his partners follow him whereever he goes.
That way, if done correctly, the defenders can block each raider operation one by one by one
I was with TBR on a few occasions when fendas blocked our missions
I was secretly rooting for them the whole time
the trick is, you have to have every defender jump into that target region with more force than the raiders, or faster than the raiders, such that some raiders aren't in the region when the region updates
raiders don't go every day, and so sometimes you meet up for nothing
If I recall correctly, the LRA - Lazarus Resistance Army - is one key fenda region that does this
Horse is a key nation to talk to - that's his nickname
That's it.
Questions?
It seems that it is very difficult for defenders to stop the DEN war machine.
And other raider regions for that matter.
El Fiji Grande
It is.
Gatito
Is it typical to see competition between raiders?
El Fiji Grande
That's why so many nations in the INWU have reservations about your idea to have an active regional military
It's hard to pull off, and it's harder to keep people active when it's so hard to be successful
Gatito
Military pacts seem to be a more efficient tool of stopping raiders.
El Fiji Grande
That's one of the biggest reasons why I stayed at TBR for so long - I wanted to infiltrate them to the point where, having risen in the ranks, I could get access to their regional update time script, copy it, and then defect to the defenders.
Military pacts, combined with targeting raider occupations can work.
Gatito
Unfortunately, it's hard to motivate defenders.
El Fiji Grande
But they're pretty hard to accomplish as well. As GROSS saw in his liberation of Christmas, defender discipline is simply not good enough, and raiders have puppets everywhere they see a threat
It's hard to motivate defenders for several reasons. Most people are apathetic, others aren't active enough, and others know it's practically hopeless
Gatito
And to add to that, the mods support the raiders.
El Fiji Grande
There was a defender boom when TBR fell. There was hope that this would start a new era of NS. And, in a way, it did. No longer is TBR a thing. Instead, it is DEN. But there's hardly any change in their activity.
I knew that it wouldn't change anything, because I know how raiding works, and sure enough, nothing changed.
The mods support R/Ding because it keeps a lot of nations active. And yeah, I guess that means they support the raiders.
Gatito
A big reason why it's hard to motivate defenders is because defenders don't want to defend - they want to see the R/D game gone. While raiders raid because they like to.
El Fiji Grande
That's also true.
R/Ding also takes a lot of commitment. Very few fendas find R/Ding fun.
Gatito
Now I understand the hopelessness of the defender side - and why none of the raiders ever took notice of our meager activities.
El Fiji Grande
Precisely.
Liberating one region per day - is nothing.
Liberating 60 per day. 100 per day - they probably wouldn't even care that much, because you're not blocking their thrill of raiding the regions in the first place, though it would be less fun
You have to stop their occupations, and stop their tag-raids
But those are really hard to do in the first place
It was because I had that knowledge that I gave up on fending a while ago.
But since some people still wanted to try, I supported them during my terms as delegate
Thoughts?
Gatito
I will have to share this with the rest of the legion.
El Fiji Grande
Bad news?
El Fiji Grande
How so?
Gatito
This means that we can no longer do our tag defending. However this doesn't stop us from focusing on larger-scale operations.
El Fiji Grande
That's true
Gatito
We could become defender mercenaries.
El Fiji Grande
Hardly any of the tag-raided regions are active enough to ask for help.
If they do, then yeah, sure.
Gatito
I'm referring to the victims of larger operations.
But let's not forget the other side of the R/D game.
El Fiji Grande
Secondly, experienced fendas won't call on our help unless we're experienced and disciplined enough to aid them
Are you suggesting we become raiders?
El Fiji Grande
Empire builders, so to speak??
"But let's not forget the other side of the R/D game. " then what do you mean?
El Fiji Grande
sure
Gatito
In R/D there are raider empires, who do the majority of the operations.
El Fiji Grande
You mean - like Land of Kings and Emperors, The Black Hawks, and smaller raider ops?
El Fiji Grande
TBR/DEN isn't the only raiding group, but they're by far the most active.
Gatito
One moment, I need to go find a link to something.
El Fiji Grande
sure
Gatito
Like I was saying, there are the various raider empires.
But there is also political warfare.
El Fiji Grande
continue
Gatito
For example, REATO and various communist raiders.
Back in the days of the IWU, I wasn't very active on Gatito.
Rather I played as a different nation called Octuagesimo octavo, who still resides within the Federation of Free States.
The FFS had a close alliance with two other regions - the International Republican Union (of whom it was formed from by a small separatist group) and Libertatem, who was another close ally.
The FFS never did many political R/D operations, however its allies did. Particularly Libertatem.
Libertatem was a member of the famed REATO alliance - an interregional raider alliance to combat the communist raider stronghold that dominated NationStates back in 2013
(I was actually a closet communist myself, but I still hung around those guys just because I had befriended them)
From the looks of it, REATO has since dwindled in its influence (as has the FFS, IRU, and Libertatem).
El Fiji Grande
Well, you're welcome to pursue any path you might want with the Legion - but you'll still have to convince the region that it's a worthwhile task.
Gatito
And it looks like REATO doesn't have much life left in it. They've failed to protect one of their member regions from a raid in the past 20 days, as well as losing another member.
And no, I have no intention of involving the Legion in any of the political - oriented warfare.
After all, raiding is still raiding.
El Fiji Grande
That it is.
Gatito
I figured I'd bring this up to inform anyone else who will read this.
And finally, here's the link to REATO's page: region=reato
El Fiji Grande
I can work as MFA to position our region, and the legion, to work with other defenders to fight larger raider occupations
I know the people I need to talk to, some of them, personally.
El Fiji Grande
But the only way that they'll let us help them, or even be equals to them, is such that they know that we're competent and disciplined.
The raiders work with pure discipline.
El Fiji Grande
If should be noted that if one nation doesn't show up, or if one nation doesn't follow orders, or if one nation gets confused, or if one nation gets in the way, or if one nation doesn't stop chatting, it can through the whole operation off.
Gatito
How can we prove ourselves to have such discipline?
El Fiji Grande
The typical way, is to build up a bit of experience through tag liberating. The hopeless, stupid way.
At least that way, you can prove that you're active and want to help.
You can thus prove that you know enough to suck, but enough that they could teach all of us again, how to really defend.
My information is outdated by at least one IRL year.
It's more than possible that strategies have changed since then
That would be the only reason, in my mind, for IONIA to exist.
To get targets for our tag-liberators to practice, and to monitor DEN as they build up activity again.
El Fiji Grande
We could also have people infiltrate them again to see how things lie.
El Fiji Grande
Should I talk about my experiences infiltrating?
El Fiji Grande
Alright.
So.. let's see...
It was a very long time ago. If I had to divide up Strategos Prime's history into quarters, I'd say it was during the second quarter.
So... one and a half years ago?
El Fiji Grande
I went in with a completely fresh puppet. I acted as if I had simply been a new nation who had just seen one of the TBR recruitment TGs.
The nation was Death to Bill. Why? I honestly couldn't tell you.
I moved to TBR, chatted a bit, and got on their offsite forums.
I then observed.
Let's just say I didn't learn anything.
Later, I came back, and applied on their forums for mentorship
They assigned me to Bob Moran, and gave me his skype name.
I contacted him that evening, and, instead of explaining what I just did to you, he basically gave me a list of orders
create the puppets. apply. move them here. be back later at 11:45 pm for major.
midnight is called major update, (or major for short), and noon is minor
I came back, and he just told me to follow orders again. So I did what I was told.
I sucked the first time, but the second time I was alright.
I got pretty good.
You don't want to be point the first few times, because if you do something wrong, it's an issue
but later, once you get what's going on, you do it, and you learn about that perspective as well
You learn about the whole other side of NS - raiding
I can actually see why people find it fun. I get it.
You're never guaranteed to be promoted.
Just because you've done a ton of raids doesn't qualify you.
So you never ask for it.
But I did get promoted - twice.
There was one guy who joined at about the same time I did.
Had I still been raiding, I'd probably be at about his rank.
El Fiji Grande
His name is ... damn.. I forget
If I saw it, I'd know
*thinking*
El_Fiji_Grande
I admit, I forget
But I don't see him in DEN
That's weird.
I'll get back to you on that
*--> later. Got it. Syl. Raider Syl.*
But yes, I did go up in the ranks twice.
Then, I became inactive.
El Fiji Grande
It kept meaning that I was staying up until 2 am for like... three months
sure
The experience of trying to infiltrate TBR was useful. It taught me how to raid.
I got experience that I've used to reach out to defender organizations for quite some time
I gave up trying to go to the top, though. It just took too much out of me.
I also couldn't do minor updates.
El Fiji Grande
So I guess the infiltration was a partial success.
We've been at this for 3.5 hours now.
El Fiji Grande
I also have some homework to do.
Gatito
But thankfully, I've learned a lot through this.
El Fiji Grande
You now understand how complicated and involved this is.
Gatito
Will you have a copy of the transcript?
El Fiji Grande
Yes.
Gatito
Excellent. I'll contact the Legionnaires once we're ready.
El Fiji Grande
And I'll try to make it nice like I did to the Chancellor debate transcript
Alright.
Good luck on that hw!
This has been extremely helpful.
El Fiji Grande
You're welcome.
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